International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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Rumour around rus side is wagner is being sent to avdeevka, btw also wagner is now semi independent faction in national guard and they are recruiting again. We will see what their combat effectiveness is in current state if rumour is true

Avdeevkas coke plant is being contested hard

- How does this work? I thought national guard had to be people in the oficial forces. Like police, army and etc.
 
- How does this work? I thought national guard had to be people in the oficial forces. Like police, army and etc.

Nah national guard is its own organization, not official military really

Basically putins own army which focuses on beating up civilians suppressing riots inside russia like happened recently with dagestan airport thing or in ukraines case keeping guard behind the lines.

Now this post prigozin wagner has been made part of them.Basically putins own black ops unit now i would assume.
 
Russia looks that had prepared for Avdiivka operation long years in row.
They looks that had managed to apply pincers properly and with little losses.....
Established fire control on supply corridor area and there job in general already should be assumed as done.

While due to propaganda reasons they looks that opted to take Avdiivka ASAP and therefore had sent troops to make pincers more tight, to grab Terricon ( this is mountain from mining industry waste ....dunno how stabile it is ) and now looks that had sent troops to fight for Coke Factory.
It is very large size industrial buildings area and these buildings are built with reinforced concrete panels and massive bricks layers....with basements etc....

Will see.

Are you being serious?
 
like Bakhumut the perceived political gain is more important than the military losses. it's not a great strategy imo
How many casualties are they inflicting and how many AFU troops will be trapped if the encirclement succeeds?
I'm not saying it's good strategy but I don't think they're just losing troops while Ukraine will easily move out when they're nearly encircled.
 
Are you being serious?
Yes.
In phase A when they had applied pincers they also had used drones and Frontline aviation and a lot of artillery and mortars fire.. . Also they does have protection from mobile SAM systems...huge.

In phase B they attempted to take settlements ASAP and there yeah, minefields, mine to stop, arty on top...plus a lot of drones and mortar shells....
Damn and then yeah, they had lost a lot of technique, about ppl number I don't have clue....

Still Putin had ordered to continue and added troops etc allocated to accomplish task ASAP.
Putin is chief of armed forces......
 
How many casualties are they inflicting and how many AFU troops will be trapped if the encirclement succeeds?
I'm not saying it's good strategy but I don't think they're just losing troops while Ukraine will easily move out when they're nearly encircled.

Given the massive convoys and general ineffectiveness of massive convoys in this war against artillery, ATGM's, mines and drones combined with Ukraine having the high ground while on the defensive... yeah I'm going to assume casualties skew very heavily in Ukraine's favor.

If the encirclement works maybe but I'm skeptical. I don't think either side can move fast enough right now to effectively encircle the other army in any significant capacity.
 
Yes.
In phase A when they had applied pincers they also had used drones and Frontline aviation and a lot of artillery and mortars fire.. . Also they does have protection from mobile SAM systems...huge.

In phase B they attempted to take settlements ASAP and there yeah, minefields, mine to stop, arty on top...plus a lot of drones and mortar shells....
Damn and then yeah, they had lost a lot of technique, about ppl number I don't have clue....

Still Putin had ordered to continue and added troops etc allocated to accomplish task ASAP.
Putin is chief of armed forces......
Every report i have seen shows massive losses by Russia as they are still doing meat assaults and armor assaults right into UKR fire....biggest prob for Russia is body bags..
 
Every report i have seen shows massive losses by Russia as they are still doing meat assaults and armor assaults right into UKR fire....biggest prob for Russia is body bags..
Body bags doesn't worry Putin.
They still might hire and despite losses are a little bit advancing.
Mobile crematoriums are delivered long ago and ready to work with full workload.
With ammounts of technique etc commited for this effort I think that Russia will take Avdiivka.
 
1st one is Tricky
Impossible and a lot of ppl are thinking that complete Ukr win isn't in U.S or China's or EU interests in reality.
Till next war some areas will be ceded to Russia ...and Russia needs to pressure Ukraine to recognize these as part of Russia in order to lift off sanctions because these does have bad effects on investments.

Like this.
 
true, but Russia really can't afford to lose any fighter aircraft while Ukraine should be able to rely on partners for replacements. so there's hope!


with all the western Air defense going in there, i can see russian having a hard time controlling the skys
 

What's disappointing is it seems more delays when F16's will arrive in Ukraine. They say there is delays in training pilots from Ukraine. Other is Ukraine has such a need an seems like the US government I slow walking approvals. Even when other countries are training the pilots. It reduces Ukraine ability to put more pilots even into their older Russian planes.
 
with all the western Air defense going in there, i can see russian having a hard time controlling the skys
It isn't supplied enough and looks that Zelensky had opted to contentrate most capable air defense in Kiev area....
Like SAMP-T battery and Patriot batteries had get ...etc....
Germany had supplied 3 Rd IRIS-T battery .....
 
Then there are other big problems.
About aircraft.
Russia is using AWAC more and more plus long range air to air and air to ground missiles, also gliding bombs....
They too does have also anti radar missiles...
 
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