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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13
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- Theres used to be a video of PMC's training afgans soldiers. Those guys didn't took serious. Was frustating. THey serious thought USA would babysit them forever.
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blah blah blah
See as usual you have nothing.
You just goes on and scream about mainstream media, and only you knows the real truth... Just like a brainwashed person would..
And when presented with facts such as the Nazis fighting for Russia, you just ignore it, because it does not fit your narrative.
Another sign of you being brainwashed.
I feel sorry for you.
I know you cant help it.
Western sources are censored in Russia.
Relocate to matushka comrade.
They even had sued Google and Wikipedia, attempted to sue Microsoft etc.
Really free infospace and cool Roskomnadzor
Linked In too long ago is bad ," evil ," in Russia.
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Just think,
I you were to write coherently like that. More people might actually read and hear what you are trying to say…
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yes, the russian media, so famous for it's independence from the government line.
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as opposed to corporate media which is much more reliable and isn't controlled...
get outta here you clown
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wtf, here we go again
Exclusive: US to send controversial depleted-uranium munitions to Ukraine -sources
By Mike Stone
September 1, 20233:40 PM CDTU
WASHINGTON, Sept 1 (Reuters) - The Biden administration will for the first time send controversial armor-piercing munitions containing depleted uranium to Ukraine, according to a document seen by Reuters and separately confirmed by two U.S. officials.
The rounds, which could help destroy Russian tanks, are part of a new military aid package for Ukraine set to be unveiled in the next week. The munitions can be fired from U.S. Abrams tanks that, according to a person familiar with the matter, are expected be delivered to Ukraine in the coming weeks.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-send-its-first-depleted-uranium-rounds-ukraine-sources-2023-09-01/
Exclusive: US to send controversial depleted-uranium munitions to Ukraine -sources
By Mike Stone
September 1, 20233:40 PM CDTU
WASHINGTON, Sept 1 (Reuters) - The Biden administration will for the first time send controversial armor-piercing munitions containing depleted uranium to Ukraine, according to a document seen by Reuters and separately confirmed by two U.S. officials.
The rounds, which could help destroy Russian tanks, are part of a new military aid package for Ukraine set to be unveiled in the next week. The munitions can be fired from U.S. Abrams tanks that, according to a person familiar with the matter, are expected be delivered to Ukraine in the coming weeks.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-send-its-first-depleted-uranium-rounds-ukraine-sources-2023-09-01/
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notice how you didn't reply when i called you out on your bs about 2014 "impeachment".
you just move on like nothing happened.
yeah, russia censors too i have no problem calling it out.
can you stop deflecting and do the same with western media?
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says the guy who's entire contribution here is
"but, but russia"
one of ukraine main parties is far right party and they were part of 2014 coup and government afterwards.
you compare that to "well theres nazis in russia too"
how dumb can you be?
and don't worry, you dont have to feel sorry for anybody except yourself for being such a tool
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are you offended or something?
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yes
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Here we go once again.
Nothing but rants, nothing to back it up.
Confused and angry, brainwashed
Now now... Dont lie
"you compare that to "well theres nazis in russia too""
I only brought up Russian Nazis when you claimed Russia was denazifying Ukraine...
Once again you scream about nazis, but it seems only Ukrainian nazis count. Not the Russian ones. Btw Russian nazis fought in Donbass in 2014..
But lets not talk about that...
You are good little brainwashed soldier for papa Stal I mean Putin.
The name calling tells me you are triggered.
I know its hard to defend your lies,
But keep trying, its sad and entertaining.
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Source schools and hospitals were targeted, or stfu you weak ass troll
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Years ago Democracy Now reported on DU munitions having been associated with increased rates of cancer and birth defects in offspring of parents exposed to the material. Does anyone know if the science behind those findings changed? Are DU munitions considered safe now?
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What i say will sound very ugly but east ukr is currently full of unexploded grenades, rpg grenades, tank shells,artillery shells,mines,missiles and so forth
Radiation is likely at the bottom of list that can kill you and likely will be for like 20 years.
That being said this article says no negative effects have been reported conserning DU rounds but who knows with this type stuff
https://www.health.mil/Military-Hea...-Uranium/Effects-and-Exposures/Health-Effects
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So is that a soft or firm "no" on the D-Day style air drop? Because, uh, you know they are getting through those defensive lines without, uh, doing that......You are talking about this Ukrainian advance (map below)? Yeah, 6 miles due South is a massive offensive movement. They have this war won! Look at the map and what is to their South, East, and West. They have another 95 miles due South to conquer. Are tanks getting in there? How many Ukrainians died to take that 'small' amount of ground? How many Ukrainian soldiers are still left to fight in this conflict. ...and the Russian counteroffensive:
The Elastic defense:
In the current Russian defensive approach, a front line of troops most often meets the initial attack but then falls back to prepared defensive positions manned with other Russian troops. The Ukrainians generally advance several hundred meters or up to a kilometer or so, taking losses from mines, artillery, and helicopter and/or drone strikes, and getting tired as they do. When the local Russian commander judges the moment to be right, Russian forces then launch a counterattack to push the Ukrainians back to their original positions, which often succeeds. This approach is generally optimal as it causes the attack to expend much of its power making initial small-scale gains against limited numbers of Russian defenders such that the Russian counter-attacking forces have a relatively easier time pushing them back. Russian forces have in some instances – particularly in early June – repelled Ukrainian attacks without needing to temporarily fall back, most often through the devastating use of anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) fired both by ground forces and Russian attack helicopters.
The elastic defense is tactically effective, but it puts a significant burden on the defenders. They have to receive the brunt of a prepared Ukrainian attack each time, withdraw in good order in the face of it, and then either motivate themselves or have a second line of forces motivated enough to launch and press a counterattack. The tactical engagement thus ebbs and flows in a very dynamic manner with a lot of moving and fighting that is concealed by the fact that the control lines on the map remain the same at the end of the day as they were at the start.
The elastic defense exhausts the attackers, as it is meant to, and inflicts losses on them without allowing them to make permanent gains. But it also takes a heavy toll on the defenders, who must remain motivated and able to continue to launch counterattacks from prepared and defensible positions each time. Exhaustion, losses, and demoralization can all undermine the willingness and ability of defenders to continue launching those counterattacks, especially when the same units and same soldiers have to keep doing it for weeks and months on end without relief, as is the case here because of the current Russian rotational policies.
* Get back to me when the Ukrainian Army runs out of soldiers in this conflict.
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Ukraine spurs hope of breakthrough on southern front
BY BRAD DRESS - 09/01/23 5:35 PM ET
FILE – Ukrainian soldiers load rockets into a Grad multiple rocket launcher to fire towards Russian positions in the frontline near Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine, on May 17, 2023. When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, Ukraine’s military was largely reliant on Soviet-era weaponry. While that arsenal helped Ukraine fend off an assault on the capital of Kyiv and prevent a total rout in the early weeks of the war, billions of dollars in military assistance has since poured into the country, including more modern Western-made weapons. (AP Photo/Libkos, File)
Ukrainian forces penetrated an initial line of Russian defenses on the war’s southeastern front this week, raising hopes of a major breakthrough in its counteroffensive campaign as troops push toward the Sea of Azov to cut off Russian supply lines.
Ukraine still has a long way to go — but the first line of defense is widely seen as the toughest, and the going could get easier from here on out.
Kyiv has publicly expressed annoyance with the criticism around its counteroffensive, with veiled references to news reports citing anonymous U.S. officials. But Ukrainian officials admit the campaign that launched in June has been relatively slow-going compared to fast operations last year that took Moscow completely by surprise.
Still, Ukraine has taken back dozens of more square miles of territory than Russia did in its offensive this year. Moscow only captured the city of Bakhmut over the spring in a costly campaign.
Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmitry Kuleba further pushed back against criticism on Friday, telling CNN that Ukraine is “not failing.”
“We are moving forward,” Kuleba said. “We’ve liberated dozens of square miles of land through minefields with no air coverage.”
Ukraine last week captured the town of Robotyne in the southeastern Zaporizhizhia region, entrenching themselves much deeper into Russian-occupied territory. Russian sources claim they are holding onto some territory in the southern outskirts of the city.
Kyiv is now attacking on either side of Robotyne, toward the towns of Verbove and Novoprokopivka. If successful, that could give them a leg up in another advance toward the regional hub of Tokmak.
Taking back Tokmak would enable Ukraine’s forces to advance toward Melitopol near the Sea of Azov and achieve a major success in the counteroffensive operation. However, capturing Tokmak is far from certain, as satellite images show extensive defenses bulwarked around the town.
Andriy Kovaliov, a spokesman for the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said on television Friday that Ukraine is moving toward Novoprokopivka and putting pressure on Russian defenses.
Russian military bloggers are reporting advances toward both Verbove and Novoporkopivka but stress that Ukraine is largely failing in its efforts to further pierce Russian lines.
Even without a major victory in Tokmak, the deeper Ukraine gets into Russian-held territory the more danger it poses to crucial supply lines running east to west, from Russia’s mainland to Crimea. Ukrainian troops are moving into artillery range of those supply lines, a major threat to Moscow.
Analysts say Ukraine breaking through the first line of the dreaded “Surovikin” line of defense is significant in and of itself.
The defenses are named for the Russian Gen. Sergei Surovikin, who ordered three layers of trenches, mine-fields and anti-tank obstacles patterned like dragon’s teeth ahead of the counteroffensive.
“Usually when you get through the first line every next line is easier,” said Tomasz Blusiewicz, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution. “But the question is … do they have enough manpower and do they have enough material to fill in that breach with defenses to make sure the Russians don’t counterattack?”
Blucswiecz said Ukraine’s progress is impressing him, but he does not expect a major breakthrough anytime soon. However, he said Ukraine can keep the pressure on Russian forces, make them increasingly remain on the defensive, and break morale.
“They largely have this army that doesn’t really want to fight,” he said of Russia. “An army with low morale, you can still kind of wage a defensive war but it’s so much harder to counter-attack.”
Another plus for Ukraine is that it likely has several more months for the operation, so long as western support keeps pace — which will depend on Congress passing a $13 billion funding request from the Pentagon.
As winter approaches, analysts say the colder weather does not necessarily mean Ukraine has to grind operations to a halt.
Jan Kallberg, a non-resident senior fellow with the Transatlantic Defense and Security program at the Center for European Policy Analysis, said by the winter Ukraine may be able to hinder supply lines with artillery and create a catastrophe for Russia in Crimea.
“The supply line for the land bridge and the Kerch [Strait] bridge also have to feed the Crimean population, where the Russians want to maintain some sort of normality,” he said. “If their logistics chain starts to crumble … you will see a massive exodus.”
Kallberg explained that could turn Crimea into a “competition between military needs and civilian” resources.
“And Russia doesn’t want that because it’s very much saying that they’re losing,” he said. “That’s going to be a really tricky equation for the Russian leadership.”
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4183766-ukraine-breakthrough-russia/
BY BRAD DRESS - 09/01/23 5:35 PM ET
FILE – Ukrainian soldiers load rockets into a Grad multiple rocket launcher to fire towards Russian positions in the frontline near Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine, on May 17, 2023. When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, Ukraine’s military was largely reliant on Soviet-era weaponry. While that arsenal helped Ukraine fend off an assault on the capital of Kyiv and prevent a total rout in the early weeks of the war, billions of dollars in military assistance has since poured into the country, including more modern Western-made weapons. (AP Photo/Libkos, File)
Ukrainian forces penetrated an initial line of Russian defenses on the war’s southeastern front this week, raising hopes of a major breakthrough in its counteroffensive campaign as troops push toward the Sea of Azov to cut off Russian supply lines.
Ukraine still has a long way to go — but the first line of defense is widely seen as the toughest, and the going could get easier from here on out.
Kyiv has publicly expressed annoyance with the criticism around its counteroffensive, with veiled references to news reports citing anonymous U.S. officials. But Ukrainian officials admit the campaign that launched in June has been relatively slow-going compared to fast operations last year that took Moscow completely by surprise.
Still, Ukraine has taken back dozens of more square miles of territory than Russia did in its offensive this year. Moscow only captured the city of Bakhmut over the spring in a costly campaign.
Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmitry Kuleba further pushed back against criticism on Friday, telling CNN that Ukraine is “not failing.”
“We are moving forward,” Kuleba said. “We’ve liberated dozens of square miles of land through minefields with no air coverage.”
Ukraine last week captured the town of Robotyne in the southeastern Zaporizhizhia region, entrenching themselves much deeper into Russian-occupied territory. Russian sources claim they are holding onto some territory in the southern outskirts of the city.
Kyiv is now attacking on either side of Robotyne, toward the towns of Verbove and Novoprokopivka. If successful, that could give them a leg up in another advance toward the regional hub of Tokmak.
Taking back Tokmak would enable Ukraine’s forces to advance toward Melitopol near the Sea of Azov and achieve a major success in the counteroffensive operation. However, capturing Tokmak is far from certain, as satellite images show extensive defenses bulwarked around the town.
Andriy Kovaliov, a spokesman for the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said on television Friday that Ukraine is moving toward Novoprokopivka and putting pressure on Russian defenses.
Russian military bloggers are reporting advances toward both Verbove and Novoporkopivka but stress that Ukraine is largely failing in its efforts to further pierce Russian lines.
Even without a major victory in Tokmak, the deeper Ukraine gets into Russian-held territory the more danger it poses to crucial supply lines running east to west, from Russia’s mainland to Crimea. Ukrainian troops are moving into artillery range of those supply lines, a major threat to Moscow.
Analysts say Ukraine breaking through the first line of the dreaded “Surovikin” line of defense is significant in and of itself.
The defenses are named for the Russian Gen. Sergei Surovikin, who ordered three layers of trenches, mine-fields and anti-tank obstacles patterned like dragon’s teeth ahead of the counteroffensive.
“Usually when you get through the first line every next line is easier,” said Tomasz Blusiewicz, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution. “But the question is … do they have enough manpower and do they have enough material to fill in that breach with defenses to make sure the Russians don’t counterattack?”
Blucswiecz said Ukraine’s progress is impressing him, but he does not expect a major breakthrough anytime soon. However, he said Ukraine can keep the pressure on Russian forces, make them increasingly remain on the defensive, and break morale.
“They largely have this army that doesn’t really want to fight,” he said of Russia. “An army with low morale, you can still kind of wage a defensive war but it’s so much harder to counter-attack.”
Another plus for Ukraine is that it likely has several more months for the operation, so long as western support keeps pace — which will depend on Congress passing a $13 billion funding request from the Pentagon.
As winter approaches, analysts say the colder weather does not necessarily mean Ukraine has to grind operations to a halt.
Jan Kallberg, a non-resident senior fellow with the Transatlantic Defense and Security program at the Center for European Policy Analysis, said by the winter Ukraine may be able to hinder supply lines with artillery and create a catastrophe for Russia in Crimea.
“The supply line for the land bridge and the Kerch [Strait] bridge also have to feed the Crimean population, where the Russians want to maintain some sort of normality,” he said. “If their logistics chain starts to crumble … you will see a massive exodus.”
Kallberg explained that could turn Crimea into a “competition between military needs and civilian” resources.
“And Russia doesn’t want that because it’s very much saying that they’re losing,” he said. “That’s going to be a really tricky equation for the Russian leadership.”
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4183766-ukraine-breakthrough-russia/
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Cool fan fiction. Concession accepted loser.
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i agree, the ingenuity and technical ability is astonashing at times, their battlefield communications system they developed on the fly had US military very interested last year, the use of infra red camera drones to show up minefields, knocking up their own Himars, its endless.
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