International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13
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I don't think they lost all those men and equipment, during their initial push into Kiev, if they weren't seriously trying to decapitate the government. Even then they might not have annexed the entire country but they'd have de facto control of it by having another puppet in power and the new government could have ceded the land Russia has currently claimed. This land bridge being the very least they'd be willing to take which is still ¼ of the most valuable part of Ukraine.
Well, I agree that western world is like you.
Fear. Traitors.
I agree that for Ukraine better had been if they had been part of Pakistan, India or China.
Then they didn't had such problems with weak partners ....and definitely didn't had been invaded.
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How pussified westerners consumer society is, also traitors ....
Reagan era was different.
Damn.
When I read some comments I might imagine future of European security architecture that will work well.
Countries without nukes might opt to cede some city for Pakistan and some city to China.
They will install inhabitants and their nukes....
Russia definitely will be happy and west too.
Countries without nukes might opt to cede some city for Pakistan and some city to China.
They will install inhabitants and their nukes....
Russia definitely will be happy and west too.
There is reason why Putin in power is good for China and NATO.Russia decided to continue the armor decommissioning program in Avdiivka
BTW also for OPEC cos he boost up crude oil prices.
1. Putin is best NATO recruiter.
2. Putin is best catalisator to boost up demand for weapons in all world therefore weapons sellers are happy....worldwide.
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They were trying to win the war right away. They were not trying to annex Kiev and land west of the Dneiper. Prussia took Paris they didn't hold Paris, they got French surrender and negotiated a settlement. This is how it typically goes.
So they aren't trying to take all of Ukraine. I'm not disputing what you wrote after sentence 1.
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It basically looks to me like the Russian army is capable enough in defense but cannot (either through ISR or good Ukrainian defenses or lack of material or all three) generate an offensive, at least not this year. With the operational failure of the Ukrainian Black Sea offensive (it failed to sever the land bridge or reach Tokmak) we may be entering the frozen conflict of this war, at least until spring 2024.
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They very obviously were trying to seize the entire country
They had year to build fortifications and bunkers, to install minefields and create tunnels underground too. For example two lines of threnches connect with underground tunnel etc like stuff.
In some areas where units well supplied they had installed even civilian video cameras like these used by hunters, foresters and landlords who does have forest property.
Sometimes these might be connected via cables ( camouflaged ofc ) network and then you might sit in bunker and watch stuff in monitor.
Then also trench periscopes and even small cameras might be used as trench periscope.
Generously supplied units does have thermals and might have ground radars...these like border guards are using. Some are man portable, some are like truck ....
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so long as western support remains, this is favorable for Ukraine. Ukraine is getting better and better weapons as they deplete and run out of soviet era shit. Russia is getting... sus artillery from NK and low-tech drones from Iran.
From small short range quadrocopters both sides are using doctored Chinesse mainstream mass production civil drones.
They change frequency and mainly are using them to get video....
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Obviously the level of western support (including paying the bills of the Ukr government) will determine a great deal. A lot also depends on the Russian military industry, what it can supply and how fast, and whether they can pump out trained soldiers fast enough. But I think the front will be pretty immobile for awhile.
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im not expecting significant changes until Ukraine can, hopefully, defend the airspace better. probably wont get a NATO/USA style of air superiority, but if they can expand the lines in the sky they will have much better success with a spring/summer 24 operation.
Iranian drones are very big problem because they are cheap.
Also unfortunately death drone does have 50 HP piston engine and it does emmit considerably lesser IR signature than helicopters or cruise missile....
BTW for their detection also acustic detectors are used.
Also unfortunately death drone does have 50 HP piston engine and it does emmit considerably lesser IR signature than helicopters or cruise missile....
BTW for their detection also acustic detectors are used.
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You mean the 40 km long convoy was just a feint? Those pesky Russians always have the best game plans.
They didn't had get supplies in time.
In Belarus 27 railroad echelons failed to deliver supplies in time....
Probably fuel.
Belarus was top notch nightmare for Hitler if to talk about passive sabotage.
So maybe they does have good memory even today.
BTW in the same Kiev Belarus and Russian ppl too had properties and some had businesses, shares in some business etc.
Kiev had all this mix: Russians, ukr, Belarus ppl etc....
Also vice versa in Belarus and Russia too.
% of ukr origin ppl in Belarus and Russia is relatively high if to take in account mixed marriages products too....
So maybe they does have good memory even today.
BTW in the same Kiev Belarus and Russian ppl too had properties and some had businesses, shares in some business etc.
Kiev had all this mix: Russians, ukr, Belarus ppl etc....
Also vice versa in Belarus and Russia too.
% of ukr origin ppl in Belarus and Russia is relatively high if to take in account mixed marriages products too....
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Obviously they didn't want to take the whole country, bud. I mean, if they wanted to, they would have, so they clearly didn't want to, because they didn't
Don't you just love the pro-Russian apologist reasoning? Russian to stronk to fail at taking _____, so they wouldn't have withdrawn from ____ if they wanted to take it, therefore their withdrawal from _____ means they didn't want to take it. Failure to take a thing is proof that they didn't reeeeeally want it, oh how convenient given their repeated failures lmao
If they were able to take Kiev with foots on the ground or make government to relocate from Ukraine then they had did it ......
Because Slavic mentality is different from afgan.
You can't reduce will to resist if you will take Cabul ( Kabul ) because for afghans it is big trade place...Just.
And by taking out one ruler or couple of them in Kabul you can't suppress tribes ...
For Ukraine Kiev is like for Russia Moscow and they are common with centralized government issuing orders and rules.
If they managed lawmakers ( rada ) and city council + ministers to relocate from Ukraine then with this alone had been enough to install a puppet government and puppets - lawmakers.
Because Slavic mentality is different from afgan.
You can't reduce will to resist if you will take Cabul ( Kabul ) because for afghans it is big trade place...Just.
And by taking out one ruler or couple of them in Kabul you can't suppress tribes ...
For Ukraine Kiev is like for Russia Moscow and they are common with centralized government issuing orders and rules.
If they managed lawmakers ( rada ) and city council + ministers to relocate from Ukraine then with this alone had been enough to install a puppet government and puppets - lawmakers.
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