International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[Rod1]

Nuclear has two flaws.

It costs a fortune to set it up and takes forever.

Germany had already built the things! Once you get past that initial investment cost nuclear is basically the best energy source in every conceivable aspect.

And they just threw it away.

Germany nuclear definitively was not cheap, they kept their nuclear program under the "nuclear latency" doctrine, which means they needed those reactors if there was the need to develop a nuke.

That being said since the end of the Cold War, Germany has increasingly neglected its security needs, shutting down these nuclear plants was pure greed and naivety.

 

[SandisLL]

What you're talking about would cost trillions and require decades. Small projects aren't economically viable because of American PPP. To build a cost effective refinery in the west we need to go big and that is a 5-15 BILLION dollar investment and a 3-8 year project.

ONE refinery.


Sanctions on the other hand are already decreasing profitability of Russian energy.

Europe fueled Russian profits at the start of the war because they are rich, were shitting bricks and bought everything in sight. And Russia was their energy dealer.

What's happening now is Russia is selling to China, India, Pakistan and they have Russia over a barrel (the puns make themselves here) and are getting those hydrocarbons cheap as chips.

Which frees up hydrocarbons that were sent to those countries for Europe to buy. Process takes time but it's predominately Europe that eats the cost.

Not all Europe.
Germany. Austria. Hungary.
Hungary BTW is huge Rosatom and TVEL customer too: reactors building and upkeep and nuclear fuel for power reactors , plus they are Putin's clients because used nuclear fuel is reprocessed in Mayak comb....in Russia.
Additionally their natural gas and crude oil supplier is Gazprom and Rosneftj...
And Ukraine for all this transit still is getting transit fees from Putin...officially....

 

[SandisLL]

While some countries like Baltic countries and Poland, Czech Republic and Denmark etc had actually reduced natural gas consumption during 30 years..
Germany didn't had listened warnings that Russia might use supplies as political pressure and blackmail tool..warnings in 2008 th.
Nor also warnings that natural gas prices will increase ( expressed in public in beginning of 2008 th before Kremlin turned into aggressive mode )....expressed by some German analytics and experts...

 

[SandisLL]

This war has been a disaster for German PR.

• Trump gets the massive come from behind win for them laughing at him pointing out their energy dependency. Humiliated by the likes of Trump REALLY has to hurt.
• 5000 helmets
  
• Buying Russian energy
• Shutting down Nuclear
• Starting up Coal
• BUYING THE COAL FROM RUSSIA!
• Basically being the last to send what ever new battlefield tech every other power has sent

Shambolic. I'm sure I'm missing stuff, it's hard to keep track of that much blundering.

BTW for Germany initially biggest mistake was shut down coal.
Local German lad should be paid with social tax added so better to tell that cheap open cast mining is bad and creates pollution and to import coal from Ukraine and Russia and later to tell that this is bad and Gazprom natural gas supplies are energy security warrant for Europe....damn ....
It was reality and strong Germany was when they had mined local coal and had also nuclear power plants. .

BTW what kind of patriotism was to import Ukr and Belarusian salt when Germany does have huge salt reserves?
Cos then local lads will not get more jobs?

 

[SandisLL]

While we should not talk about climate change and emissions.
Ukraine is huge minefield ....so forget about pollution.
War. Forget about emissions.
India, China and Russia doesn't cares about pollution at all and are laughing about CO2 etc.

 

[DEVILsSON]

 

[SandisLL]

Germany nuclear definitively was not cheap, they kept their nuclear program under the "nuclear latency" doctrine, which means they needed those reactors if there was the need to develop a nuke.

That being said since the end of the Cold War, Germany has increasingly neglected its security needs, shutting down these nuclear plants was pure greed and naivety.

No.
Reactors types they had used for power generation had used LEU enriched not in Germany....
Also fuel cycle not suitable to create weapons grade plutonium at all.

Nuclear power might ensure high load capacity and cheap energy, cheaper than from local coal.
If not burdened with too much taxes and bireucracy expenses....

Germany had really physically profitable reactors and some from them even had used MOX fuel from already used fuel reprocessed ...

And Germany had all opportunities to install centrifuges and enrich uranium....

Commercial reactors spent fuel in PWR or BWR type reactors used for normal cycle aren't suitable to procure weapons grade plutonium....

 

[SandisLL]

If about nuclear programs Switzerland had more real capability to produce weapons grade plutonium: natural uranium fueled heavy water moderated and cooled reactor.Research reactor.

 

[Cid]

Amongst the most bizarre of human de-evolutationary traits we see here the natural attraction of the Serb towards the impact zones of NATO weaponry like moths to the flame. Modern scientists are perplexed by this relatively recent and startling trait and decades of study may be required before they're fully able to determine the cause of this perplexing self destructive behavior..

 

[Wetarmpits]

I'm really enjoying the new season of where are they now?

That's a (west) german classic. Coming here, enjoying benefits and liberty to do as you please and then shitting all over it calling germans weak and acting like the biggest ass. Guess we deserve after WW I and II, haha.

 

[lsa]

That's a (west) german classic. Coming here, enjoying benefits and liberty to do as you please and then shitting all over it calling germans weak and acting like the biggest ass. Guess we deserve after WW I and II, haha.

No, you dont "deserve it", most Germans today was not alive back then. And certainly was not in any position to change anything.
You should not be held accountable for things that happened before you were born, imo.

We see this shit all over Europe.
Some how people flock to live here but at the same time hate us and keep on telling us how much we suck and how terrible we are.
But for some reason they keep on coming here.....

 

[Wetarmpits]

No, you dont "deserve it", most Germans today was not alive back then. And certainly was not in any position to change anything.
You should not be held accountable for things that happened before you were born, imo.

We see this shit all over Europe.
Some how people flock to live here but at the same time hate us and keep on telling us how much we suck and how terrible we are.
But for some reason they keep on coming here.....

Of course man, it was more meant in jester but it really did a number on germans identity and I'm half german/pole and really couldnt give two shits about national identity on personal level; still affected a bit by cultural mind I guess.

I also finished watching that clip and the girl turned out to stay in germany and shit on russia for lack of opportunities.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

^^^ That's what I knew was going to happen! OMG! Climate Change! Fuck the people of Ukraine. Young Russians, welcome to the meat grinder because of Global Warming. It makes you wonder about this war in the first place.

I know you're a Climate Change denier but the science is real. We have a pact to defend Ukraine, and that's what we're doing, but there's no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.. Russia's economy is already in shambles and we have the weaponry at our disposal to exponentially increase Russia's losses. It's only their nuclear threat that has us taking these incremental steps in upgrading Ukraine's weaponry but the writing is already on the wall for Russia.

PS The only reason young Russians are in the meat grinder is because Putin sent them there. Even if you want to argue Donbas should be absorbed by Russia how does that give them the right to invade the whole country and take as much of it as they can get?

 

[SandisLL]

That's a (west) german classic. Coming here, enjoying benefits and liberty to do as you please and then shitting all over it calling germans weak and acting like the biggest ass. Guess we deserve after WW I and II, haha.

Germany and Sweden does have generous benefits.

Therefore they are most lucrative countries in EU to get in if you can get benefits....

 

[Wetarmpits]

Germany and Sweden does have generous benefits.

Therefore they are most lucrative countries in EU to get in if you can get benefits....

I know, but thanks.

 

[SandisLL]

Playing national card always had worked on plebs public for brainwashing.
Plebs are workforce easy to brainwash.

So yeah, when proper oligarchs are ruling dumbass industries, then 0 Nazism etc during decade +.
When not proper, then plebs are properly brainwashed ....
Ofc should be absorbed, proper oligarchs on paper will rebuild and sell mining industry production to China. Plebs will work for peanuts, take their daily propaganda and vodka doses and will be happy. As usually.

 

[SandisLL]

No, you dont "deserve it", most Germans today was not alive back then. And certainly was not in any position to change anything.
You should not be held accountable for things that happened before you were born, imo.

We see this shit all over Europe.
Some how people flock to live here but at the same time hate us and keep on telling us how much we suck and how terrible we are.
But for some reason they keep on coming here.....

Benefits.....
Germany and Sweden does have very generous benefits.

 

[ferrisjso]

I know you're a Climate Change denier but the science is real. We have a pact to defend Ukraine, and that's what we're doing, but there's no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.. Russia's economy is already in shambles and we have the weaponry at our disposal to exponentially increase Russia's losses. It's only their nuclear threat that has us taking these incremental steps in upgrading Ukraine's weaponry but the writing is already on the wall for Russia.

PS The only reason young Russians are in the meat grinder is because Putin sent them there. Even if you want to argue Donbas should be absorbed by Russia how does that give them the right to invade the whole country and take as much of it as they can get?

Your PS more strictly the last sentence is a strawman.

If you're referring to the land bridge that was a core goal of the mission it's not "invading the whole country and taking as much of it as they can get". Kharkov Oblast is heavily Russian too and Russia had plans to annex it before the Ukranian offensive. The Ukranian Kharkov offensive is actually what led Russia to officially announce their annexations sort of thing.

If Russia was gunning for the whole country they'd have never withdrawn from the north.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Your PS more strictly the last sentence is a strawman.

If you're referring to the land bridge that was a core goal of the mission it's not "invading the whole country and taking as much of it as they can get". Kharkov Oblast is heavily Russian too and Russia had plans to annex it before the Ukranian offensive. The Ukranian Kharkov offensive is actually what led Russia to officially announce their annexations sort of thing.

If Russia was gunning for the whole country they'd have never withdrawn from the north.

Of course, despite your imperialist apologetics, Russia was "gunning for the whole country" . Worse yet, Putin STILL wants to completely eliminate Ukrainian sovereignty AND eradicate their ethnic/cultural identity. Your never ending attempts to frame this as some kind of heroic rescue of people and places already belonging to Russia is.... truly disgusting. I can't imagine the kind of contempt and resentment that drives someone like you to do this shit. It must be awful waking up every morning and thinking about all those Ukrainians that have slipped through Putin's imperialist meat grinder. But hey, every child kidnapped and shipped off to be worked to death (or worse) is a stick in the eye of, eh, "Western hegemony", amirite?

 

[PEB]

Even though the ATACMS are like 1/3 the price of the British made Storm Shadow it sounds like they are not getting many of them even though the rumor is US owns like over 3,0000 of the older generation ATACMS. Biden still seems to be dragging his feet on sending what Ukraine needs hopefully Sweden and Boeing gets their HIMARS launched cruise missile running with similar ranges and even cheaper then US ATACMS soon. It seems Sweden more then happy to send them what they need.

They been talking about this for years and found a new way to put on another longer range booster.




https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...backs-of-hills-90-miles-away/?sh=51a558526371