International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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Rod1 said:
Somehow these NGOs can topple down governments without weapons? how they do it? with mind control rays?
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wait... wasn't entire western narrative few years back "russian meddling" and how they "elected trump" apparently against the will of the people.

also what you mean "without weapons"?

how you think those insurrectionists removed yanukovych from power?
 
grimballer said:
wait... wasn't entire western narrative few years back "russian meddling" and how they "elected trump" apparently against the will of the people.
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People still elected Trump he got his term and all.

grimballer said:
also what you mean "without weapons"?
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A coup is traditionally considered as using force to seize power, force usually is in the form of weapons.

grimballer said:
how you think those insurrectionists removed yanukovych from power?
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Yanukovych was impeached by Congress.
 
Strychnine said:
That thing is going to make a HUGE hole in something!
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I been posting this for sometime I even gave money towards building a new version of the Ukrainian Dream the largest plane in the world. It's going to be an updated version to including about 10 million in new avionics, new fuel efficient jet engines. Expected to cost around 300 million each. Ukrainians are amazing engineers an highly educated as countries like China an US students have traveled for education. Putin could be more then a little worried about that aspect.
 
DEVILsSON said:
Looks like it may be a good idea to pay your soldiers...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-officers-hadnt-paid-moscow-200016928.html


Russian officers who hadn't been paid by Moscow sold key intel on the Black Sea Fleet to Ukrainian resistance fighters. Then the headquarters blew up.
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Needs to be more of this. Drones need to go out and dropping 1000's of leaflet's telling their soldiers to surrender or get payment just like the helicopter pilot did and saved his life and his family.
 
Rod1 said:
People still elected Trump he got his term and all.
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and people like you were bitching and moaning about his election and claimed "russia stole the election by meddling"...

A coup is traditionally considered as using force to seize power, force usually is in the form of weapons.
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and western backed insurrectionists had weapons... youre digging your own grave here

Yanukovych was impeached by Congress.
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oh, so you're back pushing that lie again?

you're already been exposed about that lie before and you went into hiding like a mouse.

no he was not "impeached", cause it was mickey mouse impeachment.

he was forced out by western backed insurrectionists and then opposition held joke vote that didn't have impeachable charges or enough votes to meet the requirements for impeachment.

the entire thing was a big farce, but considering you're also a big farce you go along with it.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
I got it OKed with them. Just wanted to finish my point, which is why a bit of a longer post, rather than discuss it out.

And to be fair, even since the first thread of the conflict, this has been my opinion all along. Not the details in that post, but that they (the global elites) want this conflict to first make a bunch of money from inflated energy crisis and throwing tax dollars at the military industrial complex, only to then throw more tax payer dollars in the rebuilding effort. Meanwhile the plebs in both russia and ukraine die and the plebs everywhere else (in the west anyways) pay for it all with taxes and inflation.
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I’m just glad the almighty mods let you posted, what a privilege.
Wherever there is conflict there is money in todays society. The end goal doesn’t seem to be foreseeable well the end result I should say.
 
There goes that conspiracy theory...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-case-against-biden-beautifully-201940033.html

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Republican Case Against Biden Beautifully Goes Up in Flames on Fox News
Tori Otten
Updated Mon, September 25, 2023 at 3:51 PM

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Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Monday completely—and hilariously—destroyed one of Republicans’ main arguments to prove that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Republicans launched an impeachment inquiry into Biden, after months of insisting that the president is guilty of criminal wrongdoing. The GOP has yet to produce any actual evidence of their claims. But one of their main talking points is that Poroshenko fired former Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin after Biden pressured him to do so.

Fox News host Brian Kilmeade played Poroshenko a clip of Shokin saying Biden wanted him fired because he had been investigating the oil company Burisma Holdings while Hunter Biden served on the board.

“First of all, this is [a] completely crazy person,” Poroshenko replied without hesitation, referring to Shokin. “This is something wrong with him. Second, there is not one single word of truth.”

“Please do not use such a person like Shokin to undermine the trust we feel” from both U.S. parties, he continued.

Poroshenko added that Shokin was fired because “he played very dirty games.”

Shokin was fired in 2016 for corruption. Three years later, Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani started a conspiracy theory that the Biden family accepted a $10 million bribe to remove Shokin to stop a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. This claim has been repeatedly debunked by the owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky, as well as Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas. And now, the former Ukrainian president himself.
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DEVILsSON said:
There goes that conspiracy theory...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-case-against-biden-beautifully-201940033.html

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Republican Case Against Biden Beautifully Goes Up in Flames on Fox News
Tori Otten
Updated Mon, September 25, 2023 at 3:51 PM

82b67cc35438cbfb67efe68a67353302

Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Monday completely—and hilariously—destroyed one of Republicans’ main arguments to prove that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Republicans launched an impeachment inquiry into Biden, after months of insisting that the president is guilty of criminal wrongdoing. The GOP has yet to produce any actual evidence of their claims. But one of their main talking points is that Poroshenko fired former Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin after Biden pressured him to do so.

Fox News host Brian Kilmeade played Poroshenko a clip of Shokin saying Biden wanted him fired because he had been investigating the oil company Burisma Holdings while Hunter Biden served on the board.

“First of all, this is [a] completely crazy person,” Poroshenko replied without hesitation, referring to Shokin. “This is something wrong with him. Second, there is not one single word of truth.”

“Please do not use such a person like Shokin to undermine the trust we feel” from both U.S. parties, he continued.

Poroshenko added that Shokin was fired because “he played very dirty games.”

Shokin was fired in 2016 for corruption. Three years later, Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani started a conspiracy theory that the Biden family accepted a $10 million bribe to remove Shokin to stop a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma. This claim has been repeatedly debunked by the owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky, as well as Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas. And now, the former Ukrainian president himself.
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isn’t that former president under investigation for treason and corruption? I mean, zelensky even accuses him and has him under a sort of soft house arrest at this time, not able to leave the country without official permission, after actually fleeing the country…. If this is your go to guy to debunk any narrative of corruption during his presidency… lmaoooo “wow completely debunked CT, the person involved says he is innocent!” Friggen LOL <45><45><45><45>

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskiy-office-accuses-petro-poroshenko-treason-ukraine/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-former-president-blocked-leaving-country-2022-05-28/

Let me guess, you think Russia will interfere with 2024 cause Hillary was on msnbc with Jen Psaki this weekend talking about it. <45><45><45><45><45>
 
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cottagecheesefan said:
isn’t that former president under investigation for treason and corruption? I mean, zelensky even accuses him and has him under a sort of soft house arrest at this time, not able to leave the country without official permission, after actually fleeing the country…. If this is your go to guy to debunk any narrative of corruption during his presidency… lmaoooo “wow completely debunked CT, the person involved says he is innocent!” Friggen LOL <45><45><45><45>

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskiy-office-accuses-petro-poroshenko-treason-ukraine/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-former-president-blocked-leaving-country-2022-05-28/

Let me guess, you think Russia will interfere with 2024 cause Hillary was on msnbc with Jen Psaki this weekend talking about it. <45><45><45><45><45>
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So what is his incentive to say that? Is it your assertion he's trying to get back into their good graces?
 
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