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You're not allowed to have opinions or support Ukraine on a karate forum unless you volunteer for actual war!
International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13
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You're not allowed to have opinions or support Ukraine on a karate forum unless you volunteer for actual war!
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His incentive? It is literally him saying the person investigating corruption in their country, likely connecting back to him (the president) who did favor for Biden (firing the prosecutor on behalf of Burisma and hunter Biden). He also appointed people like in government positions from bjrisma like the ceo who gave himself contracts. Furthering his corruption and treason. So he is discrediting the person who was investigating it and had the support of the EU and the US state department. You don’t see his incentive?
again, lmfaoooooooo. <45><45>
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Hey, you guys keep saying they need help…
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I believe the impeachment of Yanukovich fell short of the constitutionally required number of votes, nor was there any court review. Their parliament simply declared him removed. It's all by the by now though.
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Is there some type of outcome in the corruption allegations against Petroshenko? It's been 20 months since those articles came out...
Also two things can be true at once. Both the prosecutor and president may have been corrupt. Getting rid of the prosecutor was by far the easiest play.
But I understand your issue with the guy and the optics of the whole thing. I appreciate the counterpoint.
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No. Russia did 100% meddle in that they spread lies and misinformation on Social Media platforms the sway public opinion. There is no evidence of fraudulent votes for Trump in the 2016 election. Whether or not their misinformation campaign worked and got people to vote for Trump is the question, but those votes were legitimate.
These two things are often conflated so that people can dismiss it as a leftist conspiracy theory, but Russia did in fact meddle and the US should be pissed at them for it.
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Cowards who are afraid to fight probably shouldn't spend all day talking tough online about the war effort.
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'Thread cleanup,' yeah. New concept!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-guard-one-putins-luxury-115033123.html
Former guard at one of Putin's luxury palaces says it was like a toxic 'little town' where everyone was snitching on each other
Former guard at one of Putin's luxury palaces says it was like a toxic 'little town' where everyone was snitching on each other
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Former guard at one of Putin's luxury palaces says it was like a toxic 'little town' where everyone was snitching on each other
Mia Jankowicz
Updated Mon, September 25, 2023 at 8:06 AM
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Valery Brizhaty said he worked as an FSO officer at the Olivye palace complex in Crimea.Courtesy Valery Brizhaty/Google Earth
Vitaly Brizhaty, who left Russia's Federal Protective Service and fled the country earlier this year, described a toxic atmosphere in which everyone worked for the security agency, and you had to watch what you said for fear of reprisals.
Insider, who spoke to Brizhaty via an interpreter, has seen documents attesting to his former role at the Federal Protective Service, the government agency concerned with guarding high-ranking officials, including Putin himself.
Insider has also seen Brizhaty's resignation letter, which he wrote on February 24, 2022, citing the war in Ukraine as his reason for wanting to leave the service.
But the luxury of the Olivye palace compound, compared with ordinary Russian lives, also disgusted Brizhaty, he now says.
"I could never understand why Russia, such a rich country, has to suffer — why Russians cannot live well, and only the government can live so well."
Looking out for "Number One"
According to documents seen by Insider, Brizhaty, a dog handler, joined the FSO in 2021. He told Insider he was stationed at the palace of Olivye, a Soviet-era state-owned complex that has been in Putin's use since the 2014 annexation of Crimea.
The FSO has an estimated 50,000 people protecting Putin and his senior officials.
Brizhaty's job was to help make security arrangements for Putin's arrival at the palace or around Crimea.
If Putin — known internally as "Number One" — was due to visit a school, for example, "our service would arrive nine hours prior to the visit and check the entire territory thoroughly," he said.
The arrival of "Number One" in Crimea demonstrated how little Putin trusted his own security service.
It was handled in two different ways, with most of Putin's own officers unaware of the real route. "Ninety percent of the people do not know how he would arrive," said Brizhaty.
There could either be a huge fanfare, with every airport on alert with a flurry of cars, helicopters, and ranks of guards, with a cortege moving between airports pretending that Putin was in one of the cars.
Or, Brizhaty said, there would be total silence. "Suddenly the police gets word that Putin is somewhere in Crimea," he said, and barely anybody would know how.
A lavish "little town" behind 10-foot walls
In a 2019 investigation, the independent Russian outlet Proekt reported the palace at Olivye was a vast complex and included a competition-standard ice-hockey rink, swimming pools, saunas, a 60-bed staff dormitory with marble walls and a marble elevator, and a winter garden.
Satellite images of the site also appeared to show woodlands, beaches, a small port, and a helipad.
"It's a fantasy place," Brizhaty said, according to The Telegraph's translation of an interview he gave the independent Russian outlet TV Rain. "There are fitness halls, fountains, beautiful parks, tea houses, barbecue zones and beaches."
Armed divers also scoured the beach for assassins, he told TV Rain.
One key aspect of the compound was that no matter their actual job, every single member of staff there was a security officer, Brizhaty told Insider.
"Everybody who works there — a person who is cutting the grass or washing the linen — works for the FSO," he said. The whole place was like a "little town," he said.
While Brizhaty had long quietly supported the views of the dissident Russian campaigner Alexei Navalny, he says that as far as he knew, everybody else there was loyal.
"Some people truly believe that they are doing an important job," he said, adding: "They don't notice the luxury, or they believe that the president has a right to have this luxury."
Brizhaty said he earned 68,000 rubles, or about $700, a month but said a sharp-elbowed working culture kept him on his toes.
While some co-workers were more agreeable, many appeared to take a leaf out of Putin's book.
"There are people there who are like him. It's hard to explain," he said.
"They are trying to find faults with you," he added. "You have to watch everything you are saying in front of them because every word may be used against you."
"The thing is, this is the kind of service where nothing happens," he continued. "And the only way to make a career and to promote yourself is to tell on others."
Forced to protect a warmonger
That culture was a particular problem for Brizhaty when Putin's tanks rolled across Ukraine's borders.
Brizhaty, who was under no illusions that it was a full-scale invasion — despite everyone around him calling it a "special military operation" — offered his resignation the same day.
It was torn up and thrown in the trash, he said.
"I was told that my anti-war position may result in an arrest, and I may end up in prison for about eight years," he said.
He was under such pressure afterward that even the psychologist he reached out to passed information from their private sessions straight back to his superiors, he said.
Eventually, Brizhaty found a loophole that would allow him to leave: His wife found a job abroad, and he was able to accompany her to Ecuador.
But in the weeks before that, he was under immense pressure to renounce his views, he said, which forced him to stay quiet while forming a secret plan to get out.
Now in exile, Brizhaty says the 10-foot-high fence that surrounds the palace at Olivye is a potent symbol of the divide between Putin and the Russian people.
"He works for the people, and he should work in people's interests," he said. "He should not protect himself against his own people."
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Former guard at one of Putin's luxury palaces says it was like a toxic 'little town' where everyone was snitching on each other
Mia Jankowicz
Updated Mon, September 25, 2023 at 8:06 AM
Scroll back up to restore default view.
Valery Brizhaty said he worked as an FSO officer at the Olivye palace complex in Crimea.Courtesy Valery Brizhaty/Google Earth
- One of Putin's former palace guards has spoken out about working to protect him in Crimea.
- Vitaly Brizhaty described to Insider a toxic environment with sharp-elbowed colleagues vying for power.
- You have to watch everything you say "because every word may be used against you," he said.
Vitaly Brizhaty, who left Russia's Federal Protective Service and fled the country earlier this year, described a toxic atmosphere in which everyone worked for the security agency, and you had to watch what you said for fear of reprisals.
Insider, who spoke to Brizhaty via an interpreter, has seen documents attesting to his former role at the Federal Protective Service, the government agency concerned with guarding high-ranking officials, including Putin himself.
Insider has also seen Brizhaty's resignation letter, which he wrote on February 24, 2022, citing the war in Ukraine as his reason for wanting to leave the service.
But the luxury of the Olivye palace compound, compared with ordinary Russian lives, also disgusted Brizhaty, he now says.
"I could never understand why Russia, such a rich country, has to suffer — why Russians cannot live well, and only the government can live so well."
Looking out for "Number One"
According to documents seen by Insider, Brizhaty, a dog handler, joined the FSO in 2021. He told Insider he was stationed at the palace of Olivye, a Soviet-era state-owned complex that has been in Putin's use since the 2014 annexation of Crimea.
The FSO has an estimated 50,000 people protecting Putin and his senior officials.
Brizhaty's job was to help make security arrangements for Putin's arrival at the palace or around Crimea.
If Putin — known internally as "Number One" — was due to visit a school, for example, "our service would arrive nine hours prior to the visit and check the entire territory thoroughly," he said.
The arrival of "Number One" in Crimea demonstrated how little Putin trusted his own security service.
It was handled in two different ways, with most of Putin's own officers unaware of the real route. "Ninety percent of the people do not know how he would arrive," said Brizhaty.
There could either be a huge fanfare, with every airport on alert with a flurry of cars, helicopters, and ranks of guards, with a cortege moving between airports pretending that Putin was in one of the cars.
Or, Brizhaty said, there would be total silence. "Suddenly the police gets word that Putin is somewhere in Crimea," he said, and barely anybody would know how.
A lavish "little town" behind 10-foot walls
In a 2019 investigation, the independent Russian outlet Proekt reported the palace at Olivye was a vast complex and included a competition-standard ice-hockey rink, swimming pools, saunas, a 60-bed staff dormitory with marble walls and a marble elevator, and a winter garden.
Satellite images of the site also appeared to show woodlands, beaches, a small port, and a helipad.
"It's a fantasy place," Brizhaty said, according to The Telegraph's translation of an interview he gave the independent Russian outlet TV Rain. "There are fitness halls, fountains, beautiful parks, tea houses, barbecue zones and beaches."
Armed divers also scoured the beach for assassins, he told TV Rain.
One key aspect of the compound was that no matter their actual job, every single member of staff there was a security officer, Brizhaty told Insider.
"Everybody who works there — a person who is cutting the grass or washing the linen — works for the FSO," he said. The whole place was like a "little town," he said.
While Brizhaty had long quietly supported the views of the dissident Russian campaigner Alexei Navalny, he says that as far as he knew, everybody else there was loyal.
"Some people truly believe that they are doing an important job," he said, adding: "They don't notice the luxury, or they believe that the president has a right to have this luxury."
Brizhaty said he earned 68,000 rubles, or about $700, a month but said a sharp-elbowed working culture kept him on his toes.
While some co-workers were more agreeable, many appeared to take a leaf out of Putin's book.
"There are people there who are like him. It's hard to explain," he said.
"They are trying to find faults with you," he added. "You have to watch everything you are saying in front of them because every word may be used against you."
"The thing is, this is the kind of service where nothing happens," he continued. "And the only way to make a career and to promote yourself is to tell on others."
Forced to protect a warmonger
That culture was a particular problem for Brizhaty when Putin's tanks rolled across Ukraine's borders.
Brizhaty, who was under no illusions that it was a full-scale invasion — despite everyone around him calling it a "special military operation" — offered his resignation the same day.
It was torn up and thrown in the trash, he said.
"I was told that my anti-war position may result in an arrest, and I may end up in prison for about eight years," he said.
He was under such pressure afterward that even the psychologist he reached out to passed information from their private sessions straight back to his superiors, he said.
Eventually, Brizhaty found a loophole that would allow him to leave: His wife found a job abroad, and he was able to accompany her to Ecuador.
But in the weeks before that, he was under immense pressure to renounce his views, he said, which forced him to stay quiet while forming a secret plan to get out.
Now in exile, Brizhaty says the 10-foot-high fence that surrounds the palace at Olivye is a potent symbol of the divide between Putin and the Russian people.
"He works for the people, and he should work in people's interests," he said. "He should not protect himself against his own people."
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More rumors hopefully this one's true an War ends.
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- Putin has reportedly given his defense minister until early next month to stop Ukraine's counteroffensive.
- The Institute for the Study of War cited an "insider" Kremlin source as saying that Putin also wants his forces to launch a serious offensive against a larger Ukrainian city.
- These demands could explain why Russia is launching relentless counterattacks even if they come at a steep cost to the Russian military.
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Are you twelve?
I'm indeed in favor of supporting the UAF in their fight against Russia for as long as they are willing to fight.
Crazy right, people willing to fight someone that's raping and torturing it's way across your country:
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141417
I've always said it's their choice and if they decide they're not willing to fight anymore, there isn't shit the West could, or should, do about it.
So no, i count myself very lucky that my country hasn’t been invaded by a genocidal neighbour that i have to fight.
But yes i'm in favor of supporting those that are forced to do so.
Some ppl are callin dog as karate forum and they here are completely wrong.
This forum mainly is MMA, BJJ and boxing fans forum in general with low % of members who ever did any training in karate.....
Yanukovich impeachment was 100% legit for multiple reasons.
I understand that Russian World hegemony idea supportrers are using Lavrov lineage type propaganda.
1. Big lies about coup that didn't had existed. Lawmaker in Ukraine is parliament ( Rada ) not the president.
2. Yanukovich had attempted to become something like Tzar in Ukraine by changing Constitution without referendum and lawmaker's approwal.
3. President's post in Ukraine is paid job.
Mr Yanukovich didn't had fultfilled his duties 8 months in row.
& before had been kicked out from his job.
4. Ukrainian citizens after this had elected in internationally superwised elections Mr Poroshenko as President.
5. Ukrainian president doesn't have constitutional rights to change Ukraine's borders, therefore demands expressed by Putin aren't doable thing at all....
Then there in mass media is idea that Ukraine should conduct elections.
Soldiers does have rights to vote and in order to have internationally recognised elections country does have duty to provide access to election process ....
This means that then observers should be in....trenches ....in frontline and journalists too.
Not only in votes counting process.
Who from ppl posting here will volunteer to go till frontline trenches?
Especially ppl yelling slogans that ppl posting here should go to Ukr and fught.
Soldiers does have rights to vote and in order to have internationally recognised elections country does have duty to provide access to election process ....
This means that then observers should be in....trenches ....in frontline and journalists too.
Not only in votes counting process.
Who from ppl posting here will volunteer to go till frontline trenches?
Especially ppl yelling slogans that ppl posting here should go to Ukr and fught.
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So you supported Iraq over the US in the Gulf Wars then?
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So why was he invited on the program?
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Russian elections interestingly enough could coincide with US elections. Even though US media sucks at reporting anything negative in Russia I think people throwing live grenades into public places in Russia, drones flying overhead in St Petersburg, Moscow an other areas are no doubt affecting people's confidence.
Yes I have heard from US media that Putin still has strong support I doubt it. Families have to constantly hear from media outlets how the special operation going well month after month. There is a point were key people will press the end of the war.
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