International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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You can’t knock Zalensky for pitching whatever BS he needs to get his country aid. The slow trickle of weapons is intentional to draw Russia out into a prolonged conflict. That’s the west’s intention which isn’t really a noble one if we’re being honest.

don’t disagree on zelensky’s behalf. But can knock Biden, whom many already see associated with the area throwing money there, along with Clinton now entering the picture to continue the money laundering. Remember Clinton foundation in Haiti? How did that workout for them? Lol. CIA operations and US proxy wars just destroying areas and allowing NGOs propped up by the Clinton foundation, the Obama foundation, the Biden foundation, the soros foundation, it just goes on and on. It is all throwing our tax payer money at these courses with no productive results. Just obvious chaos to allow corruption, money laundering, etc.
 
don’t disagree on zelensky’s behalf. But can knock Biden, whom many already see associated with the area throwing money there, along with Clinton now entering the picture to continue the money laundering. Remember Clinton foundation in Haiti? How did that workout for them? Lol. CIA operations and US proxy wars just destroying areas and allowing NGOs propped up by the Clinton foundation, the Obama foundation, the Biden foundation, the soros foundation, it just goes on and on. It is all throwing our tax payer money at these courses with no productive results. Just obvious chaos to allow corruption, money laundering, etc.
Ah yes, war in Ukraine as a Clinton/Soros money laundering scheme
How did we miss it? Oh gawd!
 
don’t disagree on zelensky’s behalf. But can knock Biden, whom many already see associated with the area throwing money there, along with Clinton now entering the picture to continue the money laundering. Remember Clinton foundation in Haiti? How did that workout for them? Lol. CIA operations and US proxy wars just destroying areas and allowing NGOs propped up by the Clinton foundation, the Obama foundation, the Biden foundation, the soros foundation, it just goes on and on. It is all throwing our tax payer money at these courses with no productive results. Just obvious chaos to allow corruption, money laundering, etc.
They’re all egomaniancs. I dislike all of the politicians you mentioned.
 
https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...mporary-restrictions-fuel-exports-2023-09-21/

This is hysterical....

Don't worry if you're part of the cool kids you can still buy fuel...maybe..

Sounds awful, but Saudi Arabia, supposedly one of our best Allies agrees with Russia to cut production. Why, one might speculate? Perhaps giving 6 billion to their rival, iran, maybe, but who knows. The adults are in charge so just trust.

Hopefully we just drain our strategic oil reserves and ship it all to china.

Biden 4D chess unfolds before our eyes

 
Sounds awful, but Saudi Arabia, supposedly one of our best Allies agrees with Russia to cut production. Why, one might speculate? Perhaps giving 6 billion to their rival, iran, maybe, but who knows. The adults are in charge so just trust.

Hopefully we just drain our strategic oil reserves and ship it all to china.

Biden 4D chess unfolds before our eyes



KSA is just an ally on paper.....they want US's protection (or at least wanted before cozier ties with Iran) and US weapons. ....so far they have been less than a reliable ally ...
 
Sounds awful, but Saudi Arabia, supposedly one of our best Allies agrees with Russia to cut production. Why, one might speculate? Perhaps giving 6 billion to their rival, iran, maybe, but who knows. The adults are in charge so just trust.

Hopefully we just drain our strategic oil reserves and ship it all to china.

Biden 4D chess unfolds before our eyes



How is Saudi Arabia one of the US' "best allies"?

I wondered how the CTards got into this thread anew, it turns out it was the magical glyph "Podesta", another massively overhyped Mary Sue associated with the most overhyped Mary Sue's in history in the Clinton's.
 
I can't read that article.

How are Russia having a shortage of fuel?!

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Russia temporarily bans fuel exports to most countries in response to shortages
Reuters
September 21, 202312:36 PM PDTUpdated a day ago

A petrol pump nozzle fills the tank of a car at a fuel station of Neftmagistral company in Moscow, Russia, September 8, 2023. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov/File Photo Acquire Licensing Rights

  • Summary
  • Russia suffering fuel crunch due to combination of factors
  • Fuel export ban does not apply to Moscow-led economic union
MOSCOW, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Russia has temporarily banned exports of gasoline and diesel to all countries outside a circle of four ex-Soviet states with immediate effect in order to stabilise the domestic market, the government said on Thursday.

It said the ban did not apply to fuel supplied under inter-governmental agreements to members of the Moscow-led Eurasian Economic Union, which includes Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan.


"Temporary restrictions will help saturate the fuel market, which in turn will reduce prices for consumers," the government said in a statement.

The energy ministry said the measure would prevent unauthorised "grey" exports of motor fuels.

The ban is indefinite and further actions will depend on the saturation of the market, according to Russian First Deputy Energy Minister Pavel Sorokin.

"We expect that the market will feel the effect quickly enough. But then it will depend on the saturation of the market and the results," Sorokin said.


Russia in recent months has suffered shortages of gasoline and diesel. Wholesale fuel prices have spiked, although retail prices are capped to try to curb them in line with official inflation.

The crunch has been especially painful in some parts of Russia's southern breadbasket, where fuel is crucial for gathering the harvest. A serious crisis could be awkward for the Kremlin as a presidential election looms in March.


Traders say the fuel market has been hit by factors including maintenance at oil refineries, bottlenecks on railways and the weakness of the rouble, which incentivises fuel exports.

Russia has already cut its seaborne diesel and gasoil exports by nearly 30% to about 1.7 million metric tons in the first 20 days of September compared to the same period in August, according to traders and LSEG data.

The government statement added: "Previously, to stabilise the situation on the fuel market, the government raised the mandatory supply volumes of motor gasoline and diesel fuel to the commodity exchange.


"Daily monitoring of fuel purchases for the needs of agricultural producers with prompt adjustment of volumes has also been set up."

Russia exported 4.817 million tons of gasoline and almost 35 million tons of diesel last year.

Reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin; Additional reporting by Maxim Rodionov; Editing by Mark Trevelyan and Mark Porter
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KSA is just an ally on paper.....they want US's protection (or at least wanted before cozier ties with Iran) and US weapons. ....so far they have been less than a reliable ally ...

don’t disagree with that assessment. But still storing wet ally in region outside of Israel, no? Or should we shift to Iran?
 
https://news.yahoo.com/polish-president-says-ukrainian-grain-100700787.html

Despite the tough talk by Duda to mitigate attacks from the far right party(which is running against his party in the next election), I think they(Duda/Zelenskyy) both understand they need to put this squabble to rest.

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Earlier on Friday, President Andrzej Duda, a PiS ally, had said the dispute between Poland and Ukraine over grain imports would not significantly affect good bilateral relations, in an apparent move to ease tensions.

"I have no doubt that the dispute over the supply of grain from Ukraine to the Polish market is an absolute fragment of the entire Polish-Ukrainian relations," Duda told a business conference.

"I don't believe that it can have a significant impact on them, so we need to solve this matter between us.""

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Polish PM tells Ukraine's Zelenskiy 'never to insult Poles again'
Alan Charlish
Updated Fri, September 22, 2023 at 11:21 AM PDT·3 min read
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Ukraine's President Zelenskiy and Polish President Duda attend a church service in Lutsk
By Alan Charlish

WARSAW (Reuters) -Poland's prime minister told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Friday not to "insult" Poles, maintaining harsh rhetoric towards Kyiv after the Polish president had sought to defuse a simmering row over grain imports.

Poland decided last week to extend a ban on Ukrainian grain imports, shaking Kyiv's relationship with a neighbour that has been seen as one of its staunchest allies since Russia invaded Ukraine in February last year.

Zelenskiy angered his neighbours when he told the United Nations General Assembly in New York that Kyiv was working to preserve land routes for grain exports, but that the "political theatre" around grain imports was only helping Moscow.

"I... want to tell President Zelenskiy never to insult Poles again, as he did recently during his speech at the U.N.," Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki told an election rally.

Poland holds a parliamentary election on Oct. 15, and Morawiecki's ruling nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) party has come in for criticism from the far right for what it says is the government's subservient attitude to Ukraine.

Analysts say this has forced PiS, which looks set to remain the biggest party but may not secure a majority, to adopt a more confrontational approach to Kyiv in the closely fought campaign.

Earlier on Friday, President Andrzej Duda, a PiS ally, had said the dispute between Poland and Ukraine over grain imports would not significantly affect good bilateral relations, in an apparent move to ease tensions.

"I have no doubt that the dispute over the supply of grain from Ukraine to the Polish market is an absolute fragment of the entire Polish-Ukrainian relations," Duda told a business conference.

"I don't believe that it can have a significant impact on them, so we need to solve this matter between us."

BACKING UKRAINE

Meanwhile, in an article for Politico, Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau said Poland wanted to see "a strong Ukrainian state emerge from this war with a vibrant economy" and that Warsaw "will continue to back Ukraine's efforts to join NATO and the EU".

"There's absolutely no contradiction here." Rau wrote. "Supporting Ukraine against Russia's invasion and protecting our citizens and safeguarding them against unfair economic competition — both serve Poland's interest simultaneously."

However, speaking to reporters in New York, Rau said that while Poland had not changed its policy towards Ukraine, there had been a "radical change in Polish public opinion's perception" of the countries' relations.

Asked by state-run news agency PAP what it would take to improve this perception, Rau said repairing the atmosphere would require a "titanic" diplomatic effort.

Slovakia, Poland and Hungary imposed national restrictions on Ukrainian grain imports after the European Union executive decided not to extend its ban on imports into those countries and fellow EU members Bulgaria and Romania.

The countries have argued that cheap Ukrainian agricultural goods - meant mainly to transit further west and to ports - get sold locally, harming their own farmers.

The EU, which imposed its ban in May, let it expire on Friday after Ukraine vowed to tighten controls.

Morawiecki said on Friday Warsaw would take matters into its own hands again if it saw a need.

"If there is destabilisation of other markets... and the European Commission doesn't act we will again take unilateral action on our side," he said. "In defence of the Polish farmer I will never hesitate to take such a decision."

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Russia temporarily bans fuel exports to most countries in response to shortages
Reuters
September 21, 202312:36 PM PDTUpdated a day ago

A petrol pump nozzle fills the tank of a car at a fuel station of Neftmagistral company in Moscow, Russia, September 8, 2023. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov/File Photo Acquire Licensing Rights

  • Summary
  • Russia suffering fuel crunch due to combination of factors
  • Fuel export ban does not apply to Moscow-led economic union
MOSCOW, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Russia has temporarily banned exports of gasoline and diesel to all countries outside a circle of four ex-Soviet states with immediate effect in order to stabilise the domestic market, the government said on Thursday.

It said the ban did not apply to fuel supplied under inter-governmental agreements to members of the Moscow-led Eurasian Economic Union, which includes Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan.


"Temporary restrictions will help saturate the fuel market, which in turn will reduce prices for consumers," the government said in a statement.

The energy ministry said the measure would prevent unauthorised "grey" exports of motor fuels.

The ban is indefinite and further actions will depend on the saturation of the market, according to Russian First Deputy Energy Minister Pavel Sorokin.

"We expect that the market will feel the effect quickly enough. But then it will depend on the saturation of the market and the results," Sorokin said.


Russia in recent months has suffered shortages of gasoline and diesel. Wholesale fuel prices have spiked, although retail prices are capped to try to curb them in line with official inflation.

The crunch has been especially painful in some parts of Russia's southern breadbasket, where fuel is crucial for gathering the harvest. A serious crisis could be awkward for the Kremlin as a presidential election looms in March.


Traders say the fuel market has been hit by factors including maintenance at oil refineries, bottlenecks on railways and the weakness of the rouble, which incentivises fuel exports.

Russia has already cut its seaborne diesel and gasoil exports by nearly 30% to about 1.7 million metric tons in the first 20 days of September compared to the same period in August, according to traders and LSEG data.

The government statement added: "Previously, to stabilise the situation on the fuel market, the government raised the mandatory supply volumes of motor gasoline and diesel fuel to the commodity exchange.


"Daily monitoring of fuel purchases for the needs of agricultural producers with prompt adjustment of volumes has also been set up."

Russia exported 4.817 million tons of gasoline and almost 35 million tons of diesel last year.

Reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin; Additional reporting by Maxim Rodionov; Editing by Mark Trevelyan and Mark Porter
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Thanks man!

Oh, shit, so their economy is so fucked that they're having to withhold fuel to drive prices down in their own country?

Dear God...

Remember when really dumb people were pretending sanctions would have no effect on Russia, and would hurt the West more?

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Russia has to effectively keep starving most of it's "allies" via grain and now fuel just to stay afloat....
 
It's a kayak with a grenade launcher. And it could be game-changer in Ukraine. The boats can carry cargo and up to three soldiers.
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An interesting concept as far as stealth goes. Is that a Mk-19 grenade launcher? Did not see the nomenclature in the article. Silent with the kayak, but not the weapon system. It looks like it has a small emergency motor. A few problems that I see:
1. It would really only work at night, with night vision equipment.
2. You need to carry a lot of grenades - weight.
3. As you can see in the picture, the grenades would get caught up on trees prior to hitting their target - wrong weapons system.
4. Rivers and lakes would freeze in the winter.
5. What is the distance these Poloz-M16 combat kayaks can travel?
6. Zero cover from enemy fire if these guys come under attack.
It would be interesting to see what kind of results they get from it.
 
don’t disagree with that assessment. But still storing wet ally in region outside of Israel, no? Or should we shift to Iran?

Realistically US has very little in common with both Iran and KSA as far as values.

Both are extremely authoritative regimes. KSA doesn't sponsor terrorism around the world. In a more sane world, US wouldn't be allies with either of them. KSA can't even maintain oil prices. Every US election cycle they play games.
 
Thanks man!

Oh, shit, so their economy is so fucked that they're having to withhold fuel to drive prices down in their own country?

Dear God...

Remember when really dumb people were pretending sanctions would have no effect on Russia, and would hurt the West more?

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Russia has to effectively keep starving most of it's "allies" via grain and now fuel just to stay afloat....

Exactly.

Looks like refineries need parts made in the West.

Russian planes crashing because likewise they lack parts from the West.

Who would have thought Russia would be rationing gas? Only thing funnier would be KSA or Venezuela doing it.
 
@mods how is it my thread on the schools being rebuilt, referencing Clinton foundation, etc, moved into this thread. But then when the discussion is continued, my last post is now removed?

How else can we discuss how this funding connect to other Biden funding? Is that not the purpose of the warroom, to discuss these thing?

honest question
 
Exactly.

Looks like refineries need parts made in the West.

Russian planes crashing because likewise they lack parts from the West.

Who would have thought Russia would be rationing gas? Only thing funnier would KSA or Venezuela doing it.

So we know the Russian public probably isn't going to shit the bed as long as they're being (effectively) protected by the Kremlin.

But how much longer can Russia's allies that aren't top 4 allies keep supporting this bullshit?

The squeeze is most definitely going to be applied across multiple continents, but Africa specifically needs to wake the fuck up.

Putin isn't their friend.
 

The Clintons are assuming Ukraine will win. If Russia wins, they will stop giving two-shits about Ukrainian civilians. Funny how that works.
For herself, Hillary Clinton never fails to disappoint. Why is this woman not in prison?
 
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