International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[Blayt7hh]

You called this "Ukraine's Vietnam" which makes absolutely no sense lmao

I mean not to mention there are obviously different types of war. Civil war, insurgency, proxy war, war of attrition… the list goes on really

 

[Blayt7hh]

I enjoy him. His counter arguments are terrible, but we shouldn't silence him. This thread is funner when someone outs themselves as anti-western, and gets dog piled.

I mean he floods the thread with nonsense and pushes news stories off the recent pages. I’d maybe be ok with it if he at least argued in good faith but it’s clear he does not. I do enjoy stomping on him from time to time but honestly that’s not something to be super proud of

 

[SandisLL]

Looks like the missile that hit the market might indeed have been an (accidental) Ukrainian one

Well, it might had happened without intent.
Due to insufficient supplies from " partners " Ukraine is forced to use S-300 too AND majority of missiles and control systems Ukraine does have had been manufactured from late 1970 ies till 1992 th...
Ofc majority of them aren't refubrished or aren't refubrished properly due to lack of sufficient funding.

So I might not wonder if Ukr S 300 missile might even not work at all or fall down immediately after launch....
Why not. They are VERY OLD!

 

[SandisLL]

I really can't see South Korea doing nothing at all if North Korea gets nuclear, ICBM, submarine or satellite tech from Russia. That's what North Korea is looking for in exchange for artillery and missiles. That's a huge deal for South Korea.

At the minimum, you can expect South Korea to lift the ban on other countries sending their weapons to Ukraine. What does that entail? A lot more 155 MM artillery rounds - precisely what Ukraine needs the most.

They could possibly even send Ukraine direct aid.



I highly doubt Poland will close the border and not help Ukraine just because of a grain deal.

The entire purpose of Poland modernizing their military and becoming the largest land army in Europe is because of Russia. Russia is their #1 threat and right on their doorstep. And Ukraine is the one that is fighting them.

Poland would be self sabotaging themselves if they don't help Ukraine. Same goes for all the other Eastern European countries that were previously in the Soviet sphere.

Don't call all these countries eastern euro.

Yes, they will help something but under the table WE NEVER will allow nor Finland, nor Baltic countries, Poland or Slovakia to deplete their wartime stockpile.
It never ever will happen. Ukr might cease to dream.

Yes, they will send something IF they will get already delivered ! replacement...this means if they will manage to purchase and already get delivered replacement!!!( not promises ) THEN yeah, something might be sent to Ukr.

They need to increase weapons and ammo stockpiles not to reduce them.

 

[SandisLL]

Foe example the same " unimportant " Lithuania.
It isn't 1939 th and for mercantile reasons. They aren't idiots and westerners like lithuanians are money calculating machine while keeping promises and not at all Kurds No2.

If for example they will remove 10 howitzers from Suwalki corridor area , NATO will be forced to install 10 more with, let's say german or american crews and then...they will not only " spent taxpayers money ", they will have high risk to die IF shit really will happen.
Nice stuff is that they aren't naive idiots, had sold enough impressivs economy % to trustable western partners for a reason , introduced EUR etc, allowed to fill country with " friends " etc beauties.
All the best in their abilities to make max high payment partners will pay IF will decide to sell them . During 3 decades..

 

[Hog-train]

Don't call all these countries eastern euro.

Yes, they will help something but under the table WE NEVER will allow nor Finland, nor Baltic countries, Poland or Slovakia to deplete their wartime stockpile.
It never ever will happen. Ukr might cease to dream.

Yes, they will send something IF they will get already delivered ! replacement...this means if they will manage to purchase and already get delivered replacement!!!( not promises ) THEN yeah, something might be sent to Ukr.

They need to increase weapons and ammo stockpiles not to reduce them.

I mean Poland has inked a deal for 1,000 K2 tanks, 672 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 288 Chunmoo MLRS (HIMARS equivalent.)

But that is a long deal involving factories in Poland and manufacturing a bunch there. This is going to take years.

The US gave Ukraine 20 HIMARS and that has made a gigantic difference. Why wouldn't Poland be willing to give up a few of the 288 that they will get?

What do you see is South Korea's response to a North Korean arms deal with Russia? I don't think they'll do nothing.

 

[DEVILsSON]

 

[SandisLL]

I mean Poland has inked a deal for 1,000 K2 tanks, 672 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 288 Chunmoo MLRS (HIMARS equivalent.)

But that is a long deal involving factories in Poland and manufacturing a bunch there. This is going to take years.

The US gave Ukraine 20 HIMARS and that has made a gigantic difference. Why wouldn't Poland be willing to give up a few of the 388 that they will get?

What do you see is South Korea's response to a North Korean arms deal with Russia? I don't think they'll do nothing.

Poland had get 48? SK howitzers as replacement for 50+ they had already sent to Ukr. They already had paid for them.
The same HIMARS, poles looks that initially assumed that U.S will quickly deliver them 520 HIMARS launchers. When appeared that it isn't reality they additionally ordered from South Korea.
While Poland is very important for Ukraine because they are able to manufacture ammo like 155 mm NATO standard and 152 mm soviet standard + for 120 mm both NATO and USSR era mortars..
Poland also looks that had delivered Ukr some refubrished and upgraded Kub and S-125 systems, Ukr needs to get refubrished missiles for them.
They ( Poland ) also are producing MANPADS and these are cheaper than Stinger, not worse except missile speed....

If SK will quickly deliver 155mm shells etc, then Poland might deliver such ammount of shells from their own stockpile.... etc like the same...

Poland is largest production and service hub in EU/ EEZ for Dell and Samsung...

 

[SandisLL]

So idea to disarm Poland with money paid by Poland is delusion.
The same Poland is producing 122 mm MRLS system Langusta. Modernised Grad type stuff.
Not likely west will pay them for such systems to be produced and sent to Ukr.

Instead all this looks like Poland according to some ppl should deMilitarize and do this process paid by polish taxpayers...

 

[SandisLL]

In Ukraine way they are treating Poland is called like they are thinking that they are able to treat Slovakia and Poland as [ loh ].
It is jargon used in criminal circle to describe someone who is vulnerable victim for criminals intended to do fraud or theft or in slavic business circles employees and business partners easy to fool and cheat....

 

[SandisLL]

I mean Poland has inked a deal for 1,000 K2 tanks, 672 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 288 Chunmoo MLRS (HIMARS equivalent.)

But that is a long deal involving factories in Poland and manufacturing a bunch there. This is going to take years.

The US gave Ukraine 20 HIMARS and that has made a gigantic difference. Why wouldn't Poland be willing to give up a few of the 288 that they will get?

What do you see is South Korea's response to a North Korean arms deal with Russia? I don't think they'll do nothing.

Poland was first country who had supplied last ( in reality ) gen MANPADS and first self propelled howitzers and first main battle tanks to Ukr. They also were first country supplied Ukr with Grad type MRLS launchers....
While....if Banderites are thinking that everyone is [ loh ] ( it is transcription how this is pronounced , like in dictionaries ) and they are kings then... they are delusional.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

So Russia an China are skipping the UN general assembly. It tells a lot about who are truly our friends. Xi wants to fly out to San Francisco in November I would request to skip those plans allowing him in the US.

 

[PEB]

Now we see why Elon blowing Putler hard.

Oh F house of Saudi Arabia.
"According to a new report from the Wall Street Journal, Tesla and Saudi Arabia are in early talks about building an electric vehicle factory in the country, and the latter is dangling some cobalt from the DRC as an incentive."

 

[SandisLL]

Now we see why Elon blowing Putler hard.

Oh F house of Saudi Arabia.
"According to a new report from the Wall Street Journal, Tesla and Saudi Arabia are in early talks about building an electric vehicle factory in the country, and the latter is dangling some cobalt from the DRC as an incentive."

Beautiful. Musk will be done with this.
Saudites maybe even are nice ppl and they does know how to earn with purchasing/ selling really well while it is most technically incompetent nation in all OPEC and Gulf area.

 

[SandisLL]

Without " enemies " supplies and workforce they aren't capable to maintain or operate even 1960 ies era oil mining equipment.
Not alone their basic IQ in military is awful.
One example: installed Patriot battery without additional middle range and short/ very short range air def units ( i.e doesn't knows what is multi layered air defense for area ).
Money they does have damn a lot and they are talented in civil business.
About air defense I suspect that Zimbabwe does have higher level IQ and skills.

 

[SandisLL]

For example how we are operating NASAMS battery.
Radar is frequently relocated and launchers camouflaged as well as it is possible.
For radar's protection whe have backup radar and network + stuff like autocannons and Avenger + manpads....

Not like Saudis : to place radar and launchers stationary and to keep location for long term etc stuff.

 

[SandisLL]

This kind of binary thinking is ridiculous, and sadly common. Russia doesn't have interests, only "Putin's obsessions" or "appeasement" or whatever crimestop script the media is running to keep people in their fantasy about The New Hitler (Part 47).

But realistically, the idea probably really got running after Russian intervention in Syria, which pissed off certain factions in the US government.

The idea of rusification of ukrainians had been attempted before even U.S existed as country.
It is called imperialism and nationalism in order to build Empire - World Hegemon.
U.S area then had been ruled partially by local Indians ( americans ) , partially by King of Spain, parrially by french feodals, partially by U.K feodals.
Nothing here is about NATO or EU at all.
It is neo imperialism and @Dexter, as had been told winners aren't judged. I agree. This war already does have winner: China and BI countries + Iran and North Korea.
They had won, Russia and Ukr had lost. West and Asia are watching cos winners aren't judged.

 

[PEB]

I guess the antisemite comments are getting to Elon this makes it all better.

 

[SandisLL]

I mean Poland has inked a deal for 1,000 K2 tanks, 672 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 288 Chunmoo MLRS (HIMARS equivalent.)

But that is a long deal involving factories in Poland and manufacturing a bunch there. This is going to take years.

The US gave Ukraine 20 HIMARS and that has made a gigantic difference. Why wouldn't Poland be willing to give up a few of the 288 that they will get?

What do you see is South Korea's response to a North Korean arms deal with Russia? I don't think they'll do nothing.

Poland does have clauses in sales contract, countries like Germany are treating them like peace of shit and Kurds No2 and nor NATO nor ECB will allow them to deplete wartime stocks.
Germany is poatao and really below Poland in real life, these hardcore killers and historically proven Nazis and selfish parasites should get that all world does knows their intent to play 1938 th again.
While they are dreamers, they are morally, financially and technically peace of cake if compare with Germany in 1938 th.
So better to accept real Realpolitik...
Not their dreams.