International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[lsa]

Ukraine will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over agricultural bans
Kyiv plans WTO action against three EU countries over ‘ridiculous’ restrictions, trade chief says.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-will-sue-poland-hungary-and-slovakia-over-agricultural-bans/

 

[SandisLL]

The reality about importance of Poland vs Ukraine is that Poland does have huge % of businesses in reality owned by westerners and also considrable investments + their economy before war was >3x larger than Ukrainian etc factors.

Also their close relationship with western european and U.K& U.S intelligence services had been established for a reason.

Western Europe and Poland were concerned that weapons smuggling from Belarus, Russia and Ukraine will make big problems because handguns price even in Poland's illegal market, not alone in western european illegal market is higher than in Ukr and Russian illegal market.
U.K, U.S and France also were concerned that members of gangs and spies might infiltrate in western europe and U.K.
Therefore close cooperation with Poland had been established in order to slow down infiltration and prevent huge influx of gangs mebers and spies & hanguns etc in western europe.

 

[AWilder]

https://x.com/thephilippics/status/1703703837758869560?s=20

Ouch

uh... well yeah, by 1916 the economies were in full swing war production. why would anyone be manufacturing that amount of shells before Feb 2022?

 

[SandisLL]

Fair enough but they also were members of the communist party and participated in the government on a voluntary basis on a large scale. It wasn't a grudging concession to fight a "worse evil", there were far more communist Ukrainians period than there were nationalists. This is an embarrassing fact but it is true.

Nationalists might be also...communists or social democrats. BTW not always nationalists are bad..

Plus under Lenin they didn't had famine or starving even during Civil War...

Stalin induced famine cos managed to sell also seeds so next harvest was what it was and due to internal passports in some Ukraine's areas ppl weren't allowed to leave certain area, so should ...die cos starving in real famine. Like in Hitler's death camps.

 

[SandisLL]

One reality is that calling ppl in other countries as nationalists just cos they aren't sucking russian dick is stupid is such example:
in one city was monument for these soviets.
Bad according to ants brainwashed by Kremlin's propaganda nationalist PM had allocated funds to refubrish this monument.
Later this city had mayor in centrist and centrist was PM in country and they ordered to remowe this shit ( monument ).
Ofc cos russians really are a bit idiots.
They might be happy that PM at least was christian and didn't allowed to touch graveyards.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over agricultural bans
Kyiv plans WTO action against three EU countries over ‘ridiculous’ restrictions, trade chief says.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-will-sue-poland-hungary-and-slovakia-over-agricultural-bans/

Yeah, imagine how " generous " will be military and technical assistance from Lithuania, Poland and Sovakia after this.
Poland had delivered 350 main battle tanks, more than 50 howitzers and had to spent now already approx 13 b in EUR eqivalent from their taxpayers money just cos they does have refugees from Ukraine.

# imagine how realistic is that Poland will sign warrant letters for next Ukr loans or sent their weapons to Ukr.

 

[SandisLL]

Lithuania already looks that is starting revenge process.
Next supposed batch with jammers looks that can't be delivered in time and I will lurk will they repair howitzer in 3-10 days if spare parts are awailable or 3-4 months.
With cheap " transit " egg powder Zelensky for sure will jam drones and repair howitzers.

 

[Rod1]

TBF the Russian Navy is used to operating ships that are 70-80% broken. I bet she rides again.

It looks good for one last dive though.

 

[Rod1]

April 2022:
"Let us see how the Ukrainian Army is doing 12 months from now. How many soldiers will they have to fight the Russian Army. Russia can keep this up for years - Ukraine cannot. Round #1 of a 12 round fight. Ukraine wins round #1. Plus, the Russian people are behind Putin in this war."
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/168009493/

April 2022:
"Indeed. Within the next 12 months Putin (Russia) will most likely be using chemical weapons and tactical nukes - in Ukraine. The West (NATO) will still not get involved in a conflict in Ukraine."
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/167997760/

April 2022
"Those (unqualified) that make it 'in' and to the front are usually dying there. Volunteers will stop showing up after another 12 months. US supply of anti-tank weapons is also drying up. Ukraine is burning through them faster than they can be manufactured and we need to keep many for our own defense. ...and another 12 to 24 months to go. It has only been 2 months."
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/168108761/

April 2022:
You have political and military analysts on the other side of the table saying Ukraine cannot sustain this conflict for 12 months.
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/168115603/

Not quite a year
October 2022:
No. They are all going to die over the next 12 months and not be replaced.
They know their numbers are shrinking and death is imminent.
Does the Ukrainian Army have enough soldiers to keep this war up for another 5 years?"
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/169375748

November 2022:
The big exodus to Europe. The majority probably to Poland. What will the Ukrainian population look like in another 12 months?
The US Southern border is open to anyone, they just have to cross the pond.
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/169799161/

Search works fine if you know how to use it.

People talk as if Ukrainian counteroffensive was a tower defense game where only Ukraine is taking losses, the fact remains that Russia is also taking a lot of attrition as Ukrainians push them out.

 

[SandisLL]

Poland allows transit and had remowed transit fees.
One thing they wants is not to sell cheap " transit "<45>grain for demping like prices in Poland.
BTW a lot of ukrainians are working in polish agriculture and too might loss jobs....

Lithuanians are very consistent.
They didn't had inceased table price for jammimg equipment after war in ukraine had started.
It is unique stuff, while to have shit with them is worse than to get shit with corsicans. .
Silent revenge might come even after decades.

 

[AWilder]

watch out, he'll report your post! lmao

 

[Denter]

uh... well yeah, by 1916 the economies were in full swing war production. why would anyone be manufacturing that amount of shells before Feb 2022?

Russia has had 18 months of warning and based on what I'm reading, is at about 2 million shells a year.

 

[SandisLL]

The biggest problem is that North Korea and Iran might provide Russia even with not complete ammnition units but components like propellants and explosives and this alone might seriously help to speed up Russia's ammuniton and conventional warheads production.

If Kim will decide to supply 152 mm artillery rounds, batch might be most likely 1,5 - 5 m units.
Kim also might supply 120 mm rounds for mortars, 7,62x54mm cartridges, ammo for 100mm and 122 mm artillery, mines etc stuff.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia has had 18 months of warning and based on what I'm reading, is at about 2 million shells a year.

It is assumed that they after fall of USSR had 10-40 m 152 mm shells in warehouses.
Only God knows % of them in condition that they might be re fubrished and used.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[SandisLL]

If info that Ukraine had filled lawsuit against Slovakia and Poland in World Trading Organisation is reality ....then Ukraine already had lost this war.
These 2 countries are most important countries in EU to sustain Ukraine's existence.
Mr Zelensky then should not waste humans and tomrrow sign every paper Putin will demand to sign.
Sadly it is reality if it is true.

 

[Strychnine]

If info that Ukraine had filled lawsuit against Slovakia and Poland in World Trading Organisation is reality ....then Ukraine already had lost this war.
These 2 countries are most important countries in EU to sustain Ukraine's existence.
Mr Zelensky then should not waste humans and tomrrow sign every paper Putin will demand to sign.
Sadly it is reality if it is true.

Ukraine will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over agricultural bans

"The bans by the three Central European countries are intended to protect their farmers from a surge in exports from grain superpower Ukraine, following Russia’s blockade of Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea. Poland's ruling party is especially keen to stem the flow as its fortunes in an election on October 15 are closely tied to a rural support base, which is embittered by the increase in Ukrainian agricultural exports.

“It is important to prove that these actions are legally wrong. And that’s why we will start start legal proceedings tomorrow,” Kachka said Sunday evening, adding Kyiv was preparing to retaliate against Polish fruit and vegetable exports.

The three countries have rebelled against the European Commission, which last Friday decided to allow Ukrainian grain sales across the EU."

Ukraine will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over agricultural bans – POLITICO

Looks like Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia will have to deal with the E.U. for the most part.

I wouldn't worry about it. It just seems like small potatoes in the scheme of things. IMHO.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over agricultural bans

"The bans by the three Central European countries are intended to protect their farmers from a surge in exports from grain superpower Ukraine, following Russia’s blockade of Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea. Poland's ruling party is especially keen to stem the flow as its fortunes in an election on October 15 are closely tied to a rural support base, which is embittered by the increase in Ukrainian agricultural exports.

“It is important to prove that these actions are legally wrong. And that’s why we will start start legal proceedings tomorrow,” Kachka said Sunday evening, adding Kyiv was preparing to retaliate against Polish fruit and vegetable exports.

The three countries have rebelled against the European Commission, which last Friday decided to allow Ukrainian grain sales across the EU."

Ukraine will sue Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over agricultural bans – POLITICO

Looks like Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia will have to deal with the E.U. for the most part.

I wouldn't worry about it. It just seems like small potatoes in the scheme of things. IMHO.

They aren't small potatoes in big scheme of things.
Poland and Slovakia are main transit roads to deliver Ukraine humanitarian and medical & civilian aid, fuel etc.
They does knows that EU is threating them as small shit while are in dependece of them and actually Germany is very weak financially and military. Also not likely they does have any illusion that U.S isn't dreaming to use them like Kurds.

They aren't idiots. Despite americans are dreaming that they will be Kurds No2 and Germany that they will be Ukraine No2 and they might have time to relocate to shelters in U.K and France.

Big game is big game and looks that E.U and U.S had already lost this big game. Sadly.

 

[San Marino]

Because my biggest issue and debating point with you was that you have said the UKR army is done and has no more troops for the longest time, but you just keep kicking the can down the road saying in 12 months they are done while you said the same thing 12 months earlier.

Well, let us see, 12 months ago was September 2022. 7 months into the war. How could I or anyone else predict where this conflict would be 12 months later? As always, assumptions and a wild imagination from you and your little friends.

 

[Denter]

It is assumed that they after fall of USSR had 10-40 m 152 mm shells in warehouses.
Only God knows % of them in condition that they might be re fubrished and used.

I'd imagine a ton of them rotted away and there are many duds as well, but even Russia's defense plant cannot keep up with the number of shells they want to fire per day. This is why they are cutting deals with the weird Korean hermit kingdom for 152mm and 122mm shells.