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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13
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Yes Elon deranged enough to even talk about sharing some rocket tech with China in return for billions if not 10's of billions. Ron Baron Tesla number 3 largest investors talks about how Starship could bring 100 tons of material anywhere on the planet in under an hour. He talked about how as much Elon talks about colonizing Mars his interest is in the economics "Never mentioning the military aspects" of bringing materials and technology almost instantly across the planet. China been trying to follow in Elon's footsteps investing heavily in EV technology building rockets that try to replicate what SpaceX is doing when it's just easier to threaten Elon by cutting Tesla sales off from China that as of two weeks ago was 5 million Tesla's Elon would sellout to China to secure continued sales in that Country and the billions and billions it represents.
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@San Marino thread ban this loser
lmao "i never said the thing i've been repeating like a parrot every other post for a year"
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This was this week.
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TBF the Russian Navy is used to operating ships that are 70-80% broken. I bet she rides again.Continuing the rich naval tradition from Tshushima to Sevastopol dry docks!
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Yeah, one rapid descent to the bottom with Moskva
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About the shells, maybe it's China using NK as a funnel. It's pretty relevant as Ukraine and Russia have been struggling with ammo.
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North Korea is mainly supplying dumb, unguided munitions for artillery.
Pretty interesting article that talks about the South Korean response if North Korea goes through with weapons transfers.
"But if Moscow starts buying weapons from Pyongyang — something that would violate rafts of U.N. sanctions — it could both change the course of the Ukraine war and force Seoul's hand, said Choi Gi-il, professor of military studies at Sangji University.
"If that were to happen, I think it will be more than 50-50 probability that South Korea-manufactured weapons exported to Poland would be deployed to help Ukraine fend off the Russians," he said.
The export of South Korean weaponry, especially the K9 howitzers, would be "of great value to Kyiv," he said."
Inside the South Korean factory that could be key for Ukraine
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...politics/south-korea-ukraine-weapons-factory/
An engineer works on a K-9 self propelled howitzer at Hanwha Aerospace factory in Changwon, South Korea, on Friday. | AFP-JIJI
AFP-JIJI
Kim Jong Un in Russia touring space centers and weapons factories, experts say the South may be forced to review its careful balancing act on the Ukraine war — which Seoul has condemned, even as it resists calls to supply weapons directly to Kyiv.
On the assembly line Friday were rows of Warsaw-bound Howitzers, an artillery weapon a bit like a supermobile cannon.
Hanwha Aerospace, South Korea's largest defence contractor, is racing to meet delivery targets for the 14-wheeled, 47-ton K9 Howitzers, which have a firing a range of 40 kilometers (25 miles) — much longer than a tank, although the K9 needs to be stationary to shoot.
Poland ordered 212 K9s last year and Seoul has already delivered 48 of them — a pace "no one else can achieve," said Lee Kyoung-hun, Hanwha's production leader.
"We are capable of delivering products in the shortest time frame possible," said Lee, adding that it took between three and four months to build one Howitzer from scratch.
Seoul has long harbored ambitions to join the ranks of the world's top arms exporters — aiming to be the fourth largest, behind the U.S., Russia and France — something that is now possible, industry research indicates.
It has already sold artillery shells to Washington — but with a "final user" agreement in place meaning the United States would be the military that uses the munitions.
Experts have said this allows the United States to then provide their own shells to Kyiv.
South Korea's arms industry has one key advantage over others globally: it's always been "ready for war," said Choi Dong-bin, Hanwha Aerospace's senior vice president.
Hostilities in the 1950 to 1953 Korean War ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty, and Seoul remains technically at war with nuclear-armed Pyongyang.
This gives the country an advantage globally in weapons production, Choi said, as Seoul has the capacity to mass-produce quickly and easily whenever it gets an order.
"The fact that we're maintaining production line is another boon. At this moment we're receiving many orders from overseas and we are able to respond quickly to their demands and deliver products in a short period of time," he said.
Seoul's weapons are also well-tested: "These are deployed on the ground," on one of the world's most heavily fortified borders, Choi said.
"Because they are deployed (in South Korea), it has the capacity to perform in any part of the world," he added.
Heavily sanctioned North Korea lacks Seoul's high-tech weaponry — but it does have stockpiles of outdated Soviet-era munitions.
Kim met Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, and experts have warned the internationally isolated pair might have agreed a deal involving Pyongyang supplying artillery shells and anti-tank missiles in exchange for satellite technology from Moscow.
Any such deal could change Seoul's calculations, experts say, as although South Korea has condemned Russia's invasions of Ukraine, it has resisted calls to step up support to Kyiv, in part as it has long called on Moscow to help manage Kim Jong Un.
But if Moscow starts buying weapons from Pyongyang — something that would violate rafts of U.N. sanctions — it could both change the course of the Ukraine war and force Seoul's hand, said Choi Gi-il, professor of military studies at Sangji University.
"If that were to happen, I think it will be more than 50-50 probability that South Korea-manufactured weapons exported to Poland would be deployed to help Ukraine fend off the Russians," he said.
The export of South Korean weaponry, especially the K9 howitzers, would be "of great value to Kyiv," he said.
"It's always better to have more howitzers in war and both Russia and Ukraine don't have enough of them," he said, adding that Ukraine was mostly using Soviet-era outdated weapons.
"But K9s stand out as among the most recent, overwhelming conventional weapons. It will mean so much for Kiev to have them on the front lines."
KEYWORDS
SOUTH KOREA, RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR, UKRAINE, RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA, KIM JONG UN, DEFENSE
[/spolier]Not likely.North Korea is mainly supplying dumb, unguided munitions for artillery.
Pretty interesting article that talks about the South Korean response if North Korea goes through with weapons transfers.
"But if Moscow starts buying weapons from Pyongyang — something that would violate rafts of U.N. sanctions — it could both change the course of the Ukraine war and force Seoul's hand, said Choi Gi-il, professor of military studies at Sangji University.
"If that were to happen, I think it will be more than 50-50 probability that South Korea-manufactured weapons exported to Poland would be deployed to help Ukraine fend off the Russians," he said.
The export of South Korean weaponry, especially the K9 howitzers, would be "of great value to Kyiv," he said."
Inside the South Korean factory that could be key for Ukraine
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...politics/south-korea-ukraine-weapons-factory/
An engineer works on a K-9 self propelled howitzer at Hanwha Aerospace factory in Changwon, South Korea, on Friday. | AFP-JIJI
AFP-JIJI
Kim Jong Un in Russia touring space centers and weapons factories, experts say the South may be forced to review its careful balancing act on the Ukraine war — which Seoul has condemned, even as it resists calls to supply weapons directly to Kyiv.
On the assembly line Friday were rows of Warsaw-bound Howitzers, an artillery weapon a bit like a supermobile cannon.
Hanwha Aerospace, South Korea's largest defence contractor, is racing to meet delivery targets for the 14-wheeled, 47-ton K9 Howitzers, which have a firing a range of 40 kilometers (25 miles) — much longer than a tank, although the K9 needs to be stationary to shoot.
Poland ordered 212 K9s last year and Seoul has already delivered 48 of them — a pace "no one else can achieve," said Lee Kyoung-hun, Hanwha's production leader.
"We are capable of delivering products in the shortest time frame possible," said Lee, adding that it took between three and four months to build one Howitzer from scratch.
Seoul has long harbored ambitions to join the ranks of the world's top arms exporters — aiming to be the fourth largest, behind the U.S., Russia and France — something that is now possible, industry research indicates.
It has already sold artillery shells to Washington — but with a "final user" agreement in place meaning the United States would be the military that uses the munitions.
Experts have said this allows the United States to then provide their own shells to Kyiv.
South Korea's arms industry has one key advantage over others globally: it's always been "ready for war," said Choi Dong-bin, Hanwha Aerospace's senior vice president.
Hostilities in the 1950 to 1953 Korean War ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty, and Seoul remains technically at war with nuclear-armed Pyongyang.
This gives the country an advantage globally in weapons production, Choi said, as Seoul has the capacity to mass-produce quickly and easily whenever it gets an order.
"The fact that we're maintaining production line is another boon. At this moment we're receiving many orders from overseas and we are able to respond quickly to their demands and deliver products in a short period of time," he said.
Seoul's weapons are also well-tested: "These are deployed on the ground," on one of the world's most heavily fortified borders, Choi said.
"Because they are deployed (in South Korea), it has the capacity to perform in any part of the world," he added.
Heavily sanctioned North Korea lacks Seoul's high-tech weaponry — but it does have stockpiles of outdated Soviet-era munitions.
Kim met Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, and experts have warned the internationally isolated pair might have agreed a deal involving Pyongyang supplying artillery shells and anti-tank missiles in exchange for satellite technology from Moscow.
Any such deal could change Seoul's calculations, experts say, as although South Korea has condemned Russia's invasions of Ukraine, it has resisted calls to step up support to Kyiv, in part as it has long called on Moscow to help manage Kim Jong Un.
But if Moscow starts buying weapons from Pyongyang — something that would violate rafts of U.N. sanctions — it could both change the course of the Ukraine war and force Seoul's hand, said Choi Gi-il, professor of military studies at Sangji University.
"If that were to happen, I think it will be more than 50-50 probability that South Korea-manufactured weapons exported to Poland would be deployed to help Ukraine fend off the Russians," he said.
The export of South Korean weaponry, especially the K9 howitzers, would be "of great value to Kyiv," he said.
"It's always better to have more howitzers in war and both Russia and Ukraine don't have enough of them," he said, adding that Ukraine was mostly using Soviet-era outdated weapons.
"But K9s stand out as among the most recent, overwhelming conventional weapons. It will mean so much for Kiev to have them on the front lines."
KEYWORDS
SOUTH KOREA, RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR, UKRAINE, RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA, KIM JONG UN, DEFENSE
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○ These howitzers are replacement for howitzers Poland already had SENT to Ukraine. Poland paid for them, Ukraine had paid 0 to Poland.
● Poland can't afford to deplete their weaponary and actually is increasing their weapons stockpile
□ Poles aren't kurds! N.B they aren't naive and don't trust anyone.
MOST IMPORTANT THING.
Relationships between Ukr and Poland currently is in level that Zelensky should pray Lord each day that Poland will not close border with Ukraine totally.
Zelensky administration manipulations with Urzula and Biden in order to apply pressure on Poland, accusations and threats to sue Poland definitely will not increase any future assistance from Poland.
Not alone that in Poland soon will be a lot of talks about Mr.Bandera.
Ukraine is not thankful friend and is slapping in the face most generous lobby country they HAD in NATO and EU.
Ukraine is worshiping Bandera, instead of thank you threats country most suffering from all EU countries form Ukr refugees number and expenses cos them.
Bitching after they get 350 tanks and more than 50 self propelled howitzers.
Pressing Poland and honouring Bandera.
Ukraine is worshiping Bandera, instead of thank you threats country most suffering from all EU countries form Ukr refugees number and expenses cos them.
Bitching after they get 350 tanks and more than 50 self propelled howitzers.
Pressing Poland and honouring Bandera.
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Fair enough but they also were members of the communist party and participated in the government on a voluntary basis on a large scale. It wasn't a grudging concession to fight a "worse evil", there were far more communist Ukrainians period than there were nationalists. This is an embarrassing fact but it is true.
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