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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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Wagner does NOT want any of that Polish smoke.

Believe me.

Prigozhin went into Ukraine because he thought it was going to be easy. For him, war is business, and he became unhinged after losing so many valuable assets in Bakhmut, only to be treated like dirt by Russian government.

From now on, I doubt Wagner will ever step foot in a conflict that won't be profitable and relatively risk-free for them. Being a mercenary is different from being a conscript, the goal is to make money and you don't make money when you're dead. They're willing to take risks but not to the point where the risks greatly outweighs the reward. As Clint Eastwood once put it in a Western movie, "dying ain't much of a living". Wagner will only exist for as long as they have professional soldiers whose fighting skills are required by the various dictatorships throughout the world. Without these professionals, the operation is finished.

Prig knows he screwed up, and will probably build his strength in Africa, and squeeze money from Belarus by training their useless army. If the timing is right, they may return to Russia to support the winning faction in a civil war, becoming bodyguards for the next strongman leader that Russia has.
 
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Today looks that Ukraine failed even to launch any large scale counter offensive not alone something more here.
Partially it might be because despite nice talks, in reality Ukraine did almost 0 homework 2008-2021. It is reality. Zelensky doesn't looks that is concerned at all.
Partially because west " friends " had delayed supplies and had calibrated them carefully looks in order to not worry their comrade Putin.

So for Ukraine today maybe better might be to gave up territories Putin want to get and for rest part of Ukraine maybe to ask be part of China or Iran rather than be loser till end of universe?

All thus far looks like this reality and why not?

Zelensky better had applied to incorporate Ukr in Iran, India or China. Realpolitik.


Seriously I've asked this of you so many times.... what do you want to actually see from Ukraine and the west?

You constantly belittle the Ukraine, bitch about having refugees taking aid and your finances, winge about the EU and nato..( and the west ). what in the hell would you like to see ?, mr Russian who apparently knows all about russian bots and paid for posters ?


I'm beginning to lthink.... out of all the posters here.. you're the most likely to be a paid for poster ...
 
Today looks that Ukraine failed even to launch any large scale counter offensive not alone something more here.
Partially it might be because despite nice talks, in reality Ukraine did almost 0 homework 2008-2021. It is reality. Zelensky doesn't looks that is concerned at all.
Partially because west " friends " had delayed supplies and had calibrated them carefully looks in order to not worry their comrade Putin.

So for Ukraine today maybe better might be to gave up territories Putin want to get and for rest part of Ukraine maybe to ask be part of China or Iran rather than be loser till end of universe?

All thus far looks like this reality and why not?

Zelensky better had applied to incorporate Ukr in Iran, India or China. Realpolitik.

Had a few Vodka's today?
 
Prigozhin went into Ukraine because he thought it was going to be easy. For him, war is business, and he became unhinged after losing so many valuable assets in Bakhmut, only to be treated like dirt by Russian government.

From now on, I doubt Wagner will ever step foot in a conflict that won't be profitable and relatively risk-free for them. Being a mercenary is different from being a conscript, the goal is to make money and you don't make money when you're dead. They're willing to take risks but not to the point where the risks greatly outweighs the reward. As Clint Eastwood once put it in a Western movie, "dying ain't much of a living". Wagner will only exist for as long as they have professional soldiers whose fighting skills are required by the various dictatorships throughout the world. Without these professionals, the operation is finished.

Prig knows he screwed up, and will probably build his strength in Africa, and squeeze money from Belarus by training their useless army. If the timing is right, they may return to Russia to support the winning faction in a civil war, becoming bodyguards for the next strongman leader that Russia has.

I agree, Prig was a little naive thinking he was going to steamroll UKR and was fortunate to have the cannon fodder he did. It now makes sense why he was always crying for ammo as he was setting up for his next job and likely stealing it while blaming Shitgoi and Gerkofismo.
 
Seriously I've asked this of you so many times.... what do you want to actually see from Ukraine and the west?

You constantly belittle the Ukraine, bitch about having refugees taking aid and your finances, winge about the EU and nato..( and the west ). what in the hell would you like to see ?, mr Russian who apparently knows all about russian bots and paid for posters ?


I'm beginning to lthink.... out of all the posters here.. you're the most likely to be a paid for poster ...
It's best to just put that guy on ignore. I did months ago and it's improved browsing this thread tenfold. He just spams nonsense nonstop. No one really knows what side he's on.
 
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This guy is a tad click baity but he also does have some real and the latest info most times. There are others who are click bait and then go on to tell fantastic lies about how the war is going for UKR. If you watch some of them every day you would wonder how Russia hasnt lost yet.
Many such cases unfortunately.
 







lol lets not piss of Poland Putler.He should also know that Poland was considered one of the most loyal an professional troops during soviet times. They aren't armatures.

They actually know how to fight a war.
 


It's been very interesting to see that neither side has done a lot of conventional night operations. Especially the 2nd army of the world having practically zero night fighting capability is crazy considering that America has equipped it's infantry at all levels with some night fighting capabilities for decades. Yes, yes they have SF forces with night vision but in america virtually every infantry unit has night vision, ir lasers, etc.
 
Seriously I've asked this of you so many times.... what do you want to actually see from Ukraine and the west?

You constantly belittle the Ukraine, bitch about having refugees taking aid and your finances, winge about the EU and nato..( and the west ). what in the hell would you like to see ?, mr Russian who apparently knows all about russian bots and paid for posters ?


I'm beginning to lthink.... out of all the posters here.. you're the most likely to be a paid for poster ...

My armchair analysis of: @SandisLL

He wants the west to win the war with the help of Ukraine not for Ukraine to win the war with the help of the West.

He's a good poster when he's talking about military equipment and systems. Some of his criticisms about not trying to end the war are valid... but he's in... One of those eastern European countries in the firing line.

Weird slavic rivalry or history or something prevents him from liking the country of Ukraine and he just wants to see Russia crushed because of where he lives and he knows that we're capable of it and finds it unacceptable that we're not just straight up calling the nuclear bluff.


People forget this isn't just a "spectator event" for some of the posters here.

Anyone remember that Latvian poster that quit the dog because of the toll this thread was having on his mental health? He's come back under a new account but hasn't resurfaced in this thread. Complained that his country was basically a NATO buffer zone for the more important countries to gear up while his country got fucked in the ass waiting for them?

That dude was normal when this started. Sandis was a little strange before it started. Ultimately not everyone here is watching this thing from a distance is the point here.


He does hit the nail on the head with some of his military/equipment/aid criticisms though. I was hopeful before the counter offensive because of the rumors of the GLSDB. Basically because it would improve the range of the HIMARS/M270, making it almost instantly transferable, it was American so it would come in numbers and most importantly it would come before the offensive and help set up the conditions needed for Ukraine to be successful in their offensive against fortified lines. Namely logistical strikes aimed at degrading Russian Artillery power.

But that didn't happen and my opinion changed.

The only other capability that really could have came in a similar time frame, could be set up, transferred and come with the numbers required for a real impact was America's cluster munition stockpile that was set for decommission. If that had come three months earlier there's a good chance it would have made a major battlefield impact and drastically increased the likelihood of Ukraine counter offensive success.

Sandis called that... incessantly so and he was the only one doing it.


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Actually pretty good poster about military stuff but the war and western response to it and his location is pretty clearly exacerbating some uh.... eccentricities.
 
Seriously I've asked this of you so many times.... what do you want to actually see from Ukraine and the west?

You constantly belittle the Ukraine, bitch about having refugees taking aid and your finances, winge about the EU and nato..( and the west ). what in the hell would you like to see ?, mr Russian who apparently knows all about russian bots and paid for posters ?


I'm beginning to lthink.... out of all the posters here.. you're the most likely to be a paid for poster ...
I don't care what stuff about me you will think.

Yes, refugees cost damn a lot and therefore it does reduce ammount of money european countries might use to help the same ukr.
+ we can't use our social funds, insurance funds and pension funds to help them...

We mainly are using income from VAT etc to help refugees and ukr + are increasing state treasuries debts and municipalities debts.

Btw, sorry, you never will care how much sanctions and refugees cost to us cos you aren't in europe.
 
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