International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[GhostZ06]

We trained the fucking dudes that lead the coup ​

as you can see, its rather large.

 

[Nameless King]

I would like to know why borders are still open with Kaliningrad oblast with the rest of Europe and why transit of goods via road is still allowed? Rus should transit goods and transport everyone via international waters only! Why nobody is talking about it? @SandisLL

 

[Goober stoober]

I think any cease fire would 100% delay the inevitable especially as Russia will never give up annexed territories. They will simply re load and advance their weaponry while creating even more defensive positions.

Maybe you're right but if you're wrong, millions of lives could be saved. Ukraine's best bet for the future is letting Russia crumble from within, at least imo.

 

[Nameless King]

Maybe you're right but if you're wrong, millions of lives could be saved. Ukraine's best bet for the future is letting Russia crumble from within, at least imo.

Which is only a west wet dream.

 

[Goober stoober]

Which is only a west wet dream.

how so?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

That's a former 4 star General saying that you moron. I bet you didn't even watch it. Keep on being a blind fool.

Have you followed his views on the war since the begging? He clearly is being paid in roubles same as Kennedy.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Maybe you're right but if you're wrong, millions of lives could be saved. Ukraine's best bet for the future is letting Russia crumble from within, at least imo.

Yes, So what are you saying they should surrender? It's going to take blood and agony but its the only to defend until Russia collapses which isnt any time soon. The UKR people arnt calling for surrender because they know what will happen to the next generation....kicking the can down the road isnt the answer, they tried that with Crimea.
They need to stand up now while they have Western/Nato support and Russia is the weakest they have ever been....taking a knee to Russia doesnt work.

 

[curryjunkie]

This is a blunt reminder of where we're heading.

are we all gonna tan our balls? nobodys watchin that shit ,plank..

 

[Goober stoober]

Yes, So what are you saying they should surrender? It's going to take blood and agony but its the only to defend until Russia collapses which isnt any time soon. The UKR people arnt calling for surrender because they know what will happen to the next generation....kicking the can down the road isnt the answer, they tried that with Crimea.
They need to stand up now while they have Western/Nato support and Russia is the weakest they have ever been....taking a knee to Russia doesnt work.

I'm not sure how much support you keep giving without results and you have to acknowledge that things can go sideways real fast if the war was to escalate in any way.

There seems to be somewhat of a stalemate that has lasted months now and it seems like a good opportunity to find a way towards peace, even if it's temporary.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

I'm not sure how much support you keep giving without results and you have to acknowledge that things can go sideways real fast if the war was to escalate in any way.

There seems to be somewhat of a stalemate that has lasted months now and it seems like a good opportunity to find a way towards peace, even if it's temporary.

A temporary peace is useless because it might help Russia more and UKR is making gains and hopefully the pace will pick up as the better weaponary comes in and Russia potentially gets weaker.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Hard to believe I used to like this guy. He seems to be on Russia payroll and propaganda team calling people liars while doing the exact same thing. And as for Dougie....his take and predictions on the war have amounted to pile of horse shit.

I can understand why some people like Tucker.

His job is to tell people whatever they want to hear. He doesn't filter that, he goes all out.

He has absolutely no shame in dishing out propaganda.

He's just a mouthpiece, and about as perfect an example of a populist as I've ever seen.

But equally, he'll tell you something that you know is absolutely false if other people happen to want to be told that.

 

[Tatra]

You know who would like that even more?

China.

They'd love it too. Maybe as much as the West, but I doubt even more. I think you underestimate just how much the West's leadership hates Russia.

 

[Hog-train]

Why has Tucker Carlson been so against any aid to Ukraine from the beginning? He was espousing conspiracy theories saying US soldiers were fighting there. Even going against his FOX news colleagues.

 

[Rational Poster]

Why has Tucker Carlson been so against any aid to Ukraine from the beginning? He was espousing conspiracy theories saying US soldiers were fighting there. Even going against his FOX news colleagues.

Tucker is a Mercer family propagandist. Oligarchs looking out for other oligarchs.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Either trolling or stupid. He was a colonel.

 

[DEVILsSON]

This guy is truly an imbecile.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-considered-pulling-plug-193344834.html


Elon Musk considered pulling plug on Ukraine’s Starlink access after ‘great conversation with Putin’

Spoiler

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Elon Musk considered pulling plug on Ukraine’s Starlink access after ‘great conversation with Putin’
Joe Barnes
Mon, August 21, 2023 at 12:33 PM PDT·3 min read

Elon Musk said he could see the 'entire war unfolding' through a map of Starlink activity - ALAIN JOCARD/AFP via Getty Images
Elon Musk pondered pulling Starlink satellite internet from Ukraine because he feared being perceived as a warmonger in Russia, a former Pentagon official has said.

The 52 year-old South African-born billionaire expressed his concerns after Ukrainian forces reported network outages close to the front lines separating them from their Russian occupiers.

Colin Kahl, a US undersecretary of defence for policy until last month, was charged with brokering a deal to prevent Mr Musk from turning the system off altogether.

“If you turn this off, it doesn’t end the war,” Mr Kahl recalled telling the SpaceX chief, in an interview with The New Yorker.

“My inference was that he was getting nervous that Starlink’s involvement was increasingly seen in Russia as enabling the Ukrainian war effort, and was looking for a way to placate Russian concerns,” the former US official added.

Ukrainian Territorial Defence near Kherson Front using the Starlink system - JULIAN SIMMONDS
Last year, Mr Musk was accused of publishing a Kremlin-friendly peace proposal, suggesting Ukraine should mirror sovereignty referendums organised by Russia in regions it occupied.

The outages were felt hardest in the Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Donetsk regions. The four Ukrainian oblasts, parts of which were occupied by Russian forces, were all claimed as part of Russia after referendums staged by Kremlin proxies.

Mr Musk told Pentagon officials during negotiations over Starlink that he had held personal talks with Russian president Vladimir Putin, the New Yorker reported.

Satellite terminals donated by Mr Musk’s SpaceX, as well as the US government and private donors, have become vital to Ukrainian military communications.

The “constellation” of satellites, operated by Mr Musk’s SpaceX firm, are used to coordinate drone and artillery strikes, stream live video from the battlefield and gather intelligence.

Ukraine says the communications system is vital to their defence networks - ArmyInform
Mr Musk boasted that he could see the “entire war unfolding” through a map of Starlink activity. He told Mr Kahl that live information had made him hesitate over whether his satellite internet system was being used for peaceful means or to wage war.

“This was, like, three minutes before he said, ‘well, I had this great conversation with Putin’,” Mr Kahl said.

Offensive capabilities
The technology entrepreneur has long-held reservations over his system being used for offensive capabilities. It was recently reported he had forced Ukraine to drop a planned naval drone strike in the Black Sea by refusing access to the Starlink network around occupied Crimea.

Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s top general, has said his military’s success was dependent on continued access to the system.

Aides to Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky have previously attempted to ease Mr Musk’s concerns by telling him the system is “about defence, advancement, and survival”, a source told The Telegraph.

Mr Musk has also baulked at the cost of providing the system, which was estimated at nearly $400 million (£310 million) for a 12-month period, according to a report by CNN.

In June, the Pentagon announced it had reached a deal with SpaceX to maintain the system’s use in Ukraine, without disclosing the terms of the agreement.

The pact, which is believed to give Ukraine unabridged access to the system, is seen as a step away from Mr Musk having a significant role in the battlefield as Kyiv’s counter-offensive continues."

 

[Rational Poster]

This guy is truly an imbecile.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-considered-pulling-plug-193344834.html


Elon Musk considered pulling plug on Ukraine’s Starlink access after ‘great conversation with Putin’

Spoiler

"
Elon Musk considered pulling plug on Ukraine’s Starlink access after ‘great conversation with Putin’
Joe Barnes
Mon, August 21, 2023 at 12:33 PM PDT·3 min read

Elon Musk said he could see the 'entire war unfolding' through a map of Starlink activity - ALAIN JOCARD/AFP via Getty Images
Elon Musk pondered pulling Starlink satellite internet from Ukraine because he feared being perceived as a warmonger in Russia, a former Pentagon official has said.

The 52 year-old South African-born billionaire expressed his concerns after Ukrainian forces reported network outages close to the front lines separating them from their Russian occupiers.

Colin Kahl, a US undersecretary of defence for policy until last month, was charged with brokering a deal to prevent Mr Musk from turning the system off altogether.

“If you turn this off, it doesn’t end the war,” Mr Kahl recalled telling the SpaceX chief, in an interview with The New Yorker.

“My inference was that he was getting nervous that Starlink’s involvement was increasingly seen in Russia as enabling the Ukrainian war effort, and was looking for a way to placate Russian concerns,” the former US official added.

Ukrainian Territorial Defence near Kherson Front using the Starlink system - JULIAN SIMMONDS
Last year, Mr Musk was accused of publishing a Kremlin-friendly peace proposal, suggesting Ukraine should mirror sovereignty referendums organised by Russia in regions it occupied.

The outages were felt hardest in the Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Donetsk regions. The four Ukrainian oblasts, parts of which were occupied by Russian forces, were all claimed as part of Russia after referendums staged by Kremlin proxies.

Mr Musk told Pentagon officials during negotiations over Starlink that he had held personal talks with Russian president Vladimir Putin, the New Yorker reported.

Satellite terminals donated by Mr Musk’s SpaceX, as well as the US government and private donors, have become vital to Ukrainian military communications.

The “constellation” of satellites, operated by Mr Musk’s SpaceX firm, are used to coordinate drone and artillery strikes, stream live video from the battlefield and gather intelligence.

Ukraine says the communications system is vital to their defence networks - ArmyInform
Mr Musk boasted that he could see the “entire war unfolding” through a map of Starlink activity. He told Mr Kahl that live information had made him hesitate over whether his satellite internet system was being used for peaceful means or to wage war.

“This was, like, three minutes before he said, ‘well, I had this great conversation with Putin’,” Mr Kahl said.

Offensive capabilities
The technology entrepreneur has long-held reservations over his system being used for offensive capabilities. It was recently reported he had forced Ukraine to drop a planned naval drone strike in the Black Sea by refusing access to the Starlink network around occupied Crimea.

Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s top general, has said his military’s success was dependent on continued access to the system.

Aides to Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky have previously attempted to ease Mr Musk’s concerns by telling him the system is “about defence, advancement, and survival”, a source told The Telegraph.

Mr Musk has also baulked at the cost of providing the system, which was estimated at nearly $400 million (£310 million) for a 12-month period, according to a report by CNN.

In June, the Pentagon announced it had reached a deal with SpaceX to maintain the system’s use in Ukraine, without disclosing the terms of the agreement.

The pact, which is believed to give Ukraine unabridged access to the system, is seen as a step away from Mr Musk having a significant role in the battlefield as Kyiv’s counter-offensive continues."

Seems like this could be a violation of the Logan Act.

 

[Bwagster]

Either trolling or stupid. He was a colonel.

Okay he's a 10 star General.

 

[Rod1]

- Hope that psico leader doesn't gets elected. What a joke, a sociopaty being called a conservative.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Rod1]

We trained the fucking dudes that lead the coup ​

Story as old as time.

Still, mistakes can be fixed, just ask Noriega.