International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[Denter]

First of all, the Kharkiv offensive was the "best Ukrainian moment" of the war, not Kherson which was a grind. Second of all, if those sources exist, POST them or stfu. There is no way on God's earth that Ukraine has lost 200.000 soldiers while Russia has lost 16.000. It's a stupid claim and you'd have to be stupid to believe numbers like that.

If you are going to troll or carry water for Russia for some reason, at least put in just a modicum of effort.

Yeah I agree. Russia wouldn't be using reservists if their casualties were so light, and Ukraine wouldn't be on its 8th round of conscription if theirs were minimal either.

 

[Cole train]

Yeah I agree. Russia wouldn't be using reservists if their casualties were so light, and Ukraine wouldn't be on its 8th round of conscription if theirs were minimal either.

Lots of vids coming out about ukr drafting people currently btw

 

[Denter]

Lots of vids coming out about ukr drafting people currently btw

If you have sources from inside, please share, but the rumors seem to be that they are taking people even who worked in critical industries now, and trying to get EU countries to return draft dodgers.

 

[PEB]

This is kinda of a big deal.

 

[Cole train]

If you have sources from inside, please share, but the rumors seem to be that they are taking people even who worked in critical industries now, and trying to get EU countries to return draft dodgers.

Vids are on ukraine/russia report which i recommend checking out once in a while since its little more neutral (combatfootage and ukrainewarreport are strictly pro ukr really)

Like 2 from today





Heres the draft from foreign lands rumour (i think its bs its a bit too shady)

 

[AWilder]

This is kinda of a big deal.

russia is 2-3 generations behind just about every weapons system the west has in comparison

 

[SandisLL]

https://www.rt.com/news/570994-bennett-israel-ukraine-talks/

This is RT but there is a very long video interview on Youtube that can be watched directly.

I might no wonder.
Israel always had considered that Ukraine should be under russia.
ALWAYS.

Also relationships vs Israel Ukr never had really good.

I even wonder why Ukrainian administration excepted to get weapons from Israel?
Ukr had 3 times voted against Israel in U.N when Israel needed each vote...
Even the same Russia in one case opted not to vote, Poland too, Estonia and Lithuania, Latvia, Chech Republic, Denmark, Portugal had voted for Israel not against them...in U.N.

Next case was vuala. Even more funny.
Third... damn...

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So yeah, I might not to wonder what stuff really about UKR are thinking ALL politicians in Israel....

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Damn big mistake Russia did when had hugged and continue to hugging with Iran....
Very high level persons from Russia still are visiting Iran and vice versa.
Top level intelligence officers, technical experts, even Putin and Patrushev had visited Iran in 2022 th...
Iranian highest level engineers are in ....Russia for experience exchange...

 

[SandisLL]

Yeah I agree. Russia wouldn't be using reservists if their casualties were so light, and Ukraine wouldn't be on its 8th round of conscription if theirs were minimal either.

Well for Ukr it might be impacted also because they need to be ready for multiple scenarios.

They need to ensure border guard service and some armed forces and also a lot of policemans for Belarus border and also boder vs separatists area in Moldova.
Not only cos possible attack with large units.
Also small saboteurs and diversants, spies units etc might sneak in, so they really need a lot of ppl.

Borders vs Poland and Slovakia are special case: they demanded from Kiev to increase border guard services for their border vs Ukr othervise support Kiev will get will be 0.
They doesn't want smugglers and criminals waves .....with legal refugees already is enough..

Also Ukraine needs to maintain a lot of patrols and security guard type service guys in Ukr behind frontlines because in Ukr are working spies, traitors, diversants and saboteurs....a lot....

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Some episodes IMHO were where Ukr losses just are exaggregated for Russian propaganda purposes....

Also fact that not likely even Shoigu had been interested about LPR and DPR losses or Wagner losses.....then it isn't even possible that propagandists might know any real numbers....if Russian MoD doesn't know.
Since Wagner is recruiting also foreigners.....not likely we ever will know real numbers...

In some cases IMHO Ukr really are hiding their losses.

Operation retake control for Bakhmut ...
It was imho super bloodbath cos Ukr immediately started to put hospitals under NDA, servicemans too etc...

Now looks that Rus side does have huge losses in this area.
Soledar, Severodonetsk : Russia had damn considerably more losses than Ukr. Not even 1 vs 5 ratio.
More.
While Mariupol for sure was stuff Zelensky never will admit...
Western mass media consumers are dumb and thinking that there was some one " nazi " unit.
To talk with idiots is impossible.

It was area where at least were some shelters awailable...

When badly supported ukr should run away.

Also almost all russians are neo nazis and always will be.
In different way.... different sigils and still nationalists, imperialists and nazis....
Russia is Nazi Country. Always will be Nazis.

 

[SandisLL]

In some! occupied by Russia cities they are burning all history books printed in Ukraine after 1991 th regardless are they in russian or ukr language.
In libraries and schools libraries history books printed in russian and ukr IN Ikr are replaced with history books printed in russian in russia.
They are recuiting history teachers in Russia to work in annexed areas...

 

[San Marino]

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/4.htm

Significant civilian casualties occurred in the air war in Iraq despite the use of a high percentage of precision weapons.

Many of the civilian casualties from the air war occurred during U.S. attacks targeting senior Iraqi leaders. The United States used an unsound targeting methodology that relied on intercepts of satellite phones and inadequate corroborating intelligence.).

The use of air-delivered cluster bombs against targets in or near populated areas also contributed to the civilian death toll, although to a lesser degree. As detailed in the ground war chapter of this report, ground-delivered cluster munitions were a major cause of civilian casualties, while air-delivered cluster weapons caused a relatively small number of civilian casualties.

. The most egregious was the flawed targeting of Iraqi leadership. While to a lesser extent than in other recent conflicts, U.S. and U.K. air forces also used some cluster bombs in or near populated areas. Attacks on certain civilian power facilities caused additional civilian suffering, and the legality of attacks on media installations was questionable.

The aerial strikes on Iraqi leadership constituted one of the most disturbing aspects of the war in Iraq for several reasons. First, many of the civilian casualties from the air war occurred during U.S. attacks on senior Iraqi leadership officials. Second, the intelligence and targeting methodologies used to identify potential leadership targets were inherently flawed and led to preventable civilian deaths. Finally, every single attack on leadership failed. None of the targeted individuals was killed, and in the cases examined by Human Rights Watch, local Iraqis repeatedly stated that they believed the intended targets were not even present at the time of the strike.

Of the fifty aerial strikes against Iraqi leaders, not one resulted in the death of the intended target. Yet in four strikes researched by Human Rights Watch, forty-two civilians were killed and dozens more were injured.

It's definitely not a 90% miss rate. If we include all targets like the media and civilian power infrastructure.. is that considered a miss? Or a hit?

Depending which way you want to go. In terms of hitting Iraqi leadership. Once again. Depends on you if you count that a miss or hit.

Doesn't particularly matter if you're accurate but the information is incorrect. Well to me. Like that poor family on Afghanistan withdrawal.

Edit trimmed

Not sure about your source. www.hrw.org - Human Rights Watch.
Yeah, definitely a biased source and organization.

Of the fifty aerial strikes against Iraqi leaders, not one resulted in the death of the intended target.

How would they know this? Much of this information is classified.
So, they are basically saying with all the high-tech weaponry the US has available, they can't hit shit. Apparently only civilians.

 

[Orgasmo]

Lol, the former Israeli PM giving an interview is "russian propaganda"

I came here to post this tho, pretty interesting interview. If true, Biden completely owns this conflict.

These were the direct words of the former Israeli PM. Some people here are so so polarized that anything that doesn't paint the West/Ukraine in the best light is automatically "RuZZian" propaganda to them. Geopolitics are often opaque with shady players pulling strings from behind the curtain, and US/EU are some of the dirtiest players in the game historically.

 

[San Marino]

I love how he puts a positive spin on the Russian rapes because in his mind at least they’ll report their raping

No, not the Russian, but the media.

 

[Rholk]

 

[Orgasmo]

Alright back to military stuff.

I think Ukraine utilized the wrong defensive strategy in the past few months. Instead utilizing flexible defense counterattacking when Russians are overextended, they held on to areas that are difficult to supply and defend. The Bakhmut/Soledar/Siversk lines should have been pulled back 2 months ago. Some people argue that they're bleeding the Russians by holding on stubbornly, but the opposite is also true. The combat experienced mechanized brigades are losing men and equipment in these siege battles which Russia is better equipped for. Russians have more artillery, armor and manpower for the meat grinder. Ukraine has proven to be able to execute complicated field maneuvers that can punch through Russian lines (i.e. Kharkiv) but instead chose a slugfest.

It's a repeat of May/June all over again.

 

[San Marino]

Interesting how adaptive humans are.

The woman is scared shitless. They really should get her out of there. Not sure she would do well at a 4th of July fireworks celebration.

 

[SandisLL]

If you have sources from inside, please share, but the rumors seem to be that they are taking people even who worked in critical industries now, and trying to get EU countries to return draft dodgers.

They can't return anyone from EU countries....
Russian propanda ofc is super well financed...

Ukr does have shortage of firefighters, nurses, doctors, electricians and mechanics ....
So by simple logic even if these are mobilised, they will be forced to do job where they does have experience....

Also critical industries are getting relief from forced mobilisation.
It is not good option to put in trenches guy who is making tons of explosives each day into trenches....as unskilled infantryman.

Medics a lot are volunteers, and are doing their direct job.
Happens that they will die.... when are doing their the same job as in civil life.

 

[JadeOwl]

What did you guys think about the former Israeli foreign minister basically corroborating the story posters like @San Marino have been saying about the western powers squashing a potential deal in the early stages of the war?

I believe that the Israeli guy believes it, because he is starting from the premise that Putin was negotiating in good faith.

The Israeli minister might believe that, but I don’t, not for a single second, which causes the whole narrative the San Marinos of the world want to push to collapse under its own weight.

Not entertaining a deal you know to be bullshit offered in bad faith is not the same thing as squashing a legitimate peace proposal.

 

[SandisLL]

Alright back to military stuff.

I think Ukraine utilized the wrong defensive strategy in the past few months. Instead utilizing flexible defense counterattacking when Russians are overextended, they held on to areas that are difficult to supply and defend. The Bakhmut/Soledar/Siversk lines should have been pulled back 2 months ago. Some people argue that they're bleeding the Russians by holding on stubbornly, but the opposite is also true. The combat experienced mechanized brigades are losing men and equipment in these siege battles which Russia is better equipped for. Russians have more artillery, armor and manpower for the meat grinder. Ukraine has proven to be able to execute complicated field maneuvers that can punch through Russian lines (i.e. Kharkiv) but instead chose a slugfest.

It's a repeat of May/June all over again.

You better had openly posted that you want Ukraine to cede Kherson, Zaporozya, Luhansk and Donbas oblastj to Russia and sign everything Putin will demand.

You actually want Russia to be next world hegemony.... not just to control all Ukraine and Moldova....


This is reality.

In Severodonetsk Russia had insane losses, considerably more than 1:10 ratio and even salt and gypsum mines will not be usable at least 6 months...+ city is total wreck, proud russians might be happy to pay sooner or later for reconstruction...
Workers will not have difference, for all oligarchs workers are just tool to make money. For them nothing will change. Poverty and dreams + nice propaganda till end of life....

 

[AWilder]

I believe that the Israeli guy believes it, because he is starting from the premise that Putin was negotiating in good faith.

The Israeli minister might believe that, but I don’t, not for a single second, which causes the whole narrative the San Marinos of the world want to push to collapse under its own weight.

Not entertaining a deal you know to be bullshit offered in bad faith is not the same thing as squashing a legitimate peace proposal.

Russia are the ones that backed out of those negotiations anyways, not Ukraine. The whole "story" is falling apart. Also lots of hebrew speakers pointing out this is not a correct interpretation of the interview on twitter. Also hilarious that an Israeli PM would suggest ceding land for peace.

 

[AWilder]

It's wiki so take with some scepticism but this story doesn't make sense when looking at the timeline.

Peace talks: First phase of invasion (24 February to 7 April)[edit]
First round (28 February)[edit]
The first round of talks began on 28 February, near the Belarusian border. The Ukrainian president's office said that the main goals were to call for an immediate ceasefire, and for Russian troops to be withdrawn from Ukraine.[14] It concluded with no immediate agreements.[15]

Second round (3 March)[edit]
On 3 March, the second round of peace talks began. Both sides agreed to open humanitarian corridors for evacuating civilians.[16] Russia's demands were Ukraine's recognition of Russian-occupied Crimea, independence for separatist-controlled Luhansk and Donetsk, and "de-militarisation" and "de-Nazification". Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba stated that while his country was ready for talks to resume, Russia's demands had not changed.[17][18]

It was reported on 28 March that three members of the Ukrainian negotiating team, including Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich and Ukrainian politician Rustem Umerov, were suffering from suspected poisoning.[19] According to the independent newspaper Meduza, prior to the alleged poisoning, Umerov was accused by the Kremlin and Russian state-controlled media of being an American spy, and that he was deliberately prolonging the negotiations to Ukraine's advantage.[20] Umerov later wrote on Facebook that he was "fine", calling for people to not trust "unverified information".[21][22][23]

Third round (7 March)[edit]
A third round of negotiations began on 7 March, amidst ongoing fighting and bombing.[24] Although a deal had not been reached yet, Ukrainian negotiator and advisor to the president Mykhailo Podoliak tweeted that "there were some small positive shifts regarding logistics of humanitarian corridors."[3][25] However, the day before, a Ukrainian negotiator was shot amid claims of spying for Russia.[26]

Antalya Diplomacy Forum (10 March)[edit]
On 10 March, Russian foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba met for talks in Antalya, Turkey with Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu as mediator, in the first high-level contact between the two sides since the beginning of the invasion.[5] Ukraine had attempted to negotiate a 24-hour ceasefire to provide aid and evacuation to civilians, especially in Mariupol.[27] After two hours of talks, no agreement was reached.[28] Airstrikes on the port city continued.[29]

Fourth round (14–17 March)[edit]

In the first government delegation to Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion, the prime ministers of Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovenia met with Zelenskyy in Kyiv on 15 March 2022.[30]
The fourth round of negotiations began on 14 March via video conference. The talks lasted a few hours and ended without a breakthrough. The two sides resumed talks on 15 March,[6] after which Volodymyr Zelenskyy described the talks as beginning to "sound more realistic".[31]

The two sides again resumed talks on 16 March.[31] Later that day, the Financial Times reported that a 15-point plan, first discussed on 14 March, negotiated with the Russians was being identified by Zelenskyy as more realistic for ending the war.[32][33] After the fourth day of talks on 17 March, Russia said an agreement has not been reached.[34] Following the talks, French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian warned that Russia was only "pretending to negotiate", in line with a strategy it has used elsewhere.[35]

On 20 March, Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, the mediator of the talks, described them as "making progress". Referring to his role as "an honest mediator and facilitator", he gave little further detail.[36]

Following his address to the Israeli parliament, Zelenskyy said that Israel was also trying to encourage peace talks.[37]

Fifth round (21 March)[edit]
The fifth round of talks, on 21 March, failed to achieve a breakthrough. Zelenskyy called for direct talks with Putin to end the war.[38] Sergey Lavrov said direct talks between the two presidents would only go ahead once both sides are closer to reaching a settlement.[39]

Renewal of peace talks: 29–30 March[edit]
On 28 March, Zelenskyy confirmed that a renewal of peace talk negotiations with Russia would start in Istanbul on 29 March, with the intention of discussing Ukrainian neutrality, along with the repudiation of any claims for Ukrainian NATO membership in the future.[40] On 29 March, Estonian Prime Minister, Kaja Kallas, indicated in agreement with French minister Le Drian that any Russian offers of peaceful negotiation about Ukraine, or withdrawal from Kyiv, should be regarded with diplomatic skepticism, based on a history of Russian unreliability in similar peace negotiations with other countries.[41][35]