International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[Rholk]

They really tried something at Vuhledar.
For an army that's so heavily dependant on tanks/armor in their warfare, they sure don't seem to be using them that well

 

[AWilder]

Alright back to military stuff.

I think Ukraine utilized the wrong defensive strategy in the past few months. Instead utilizing flexible defense counterattacking when Russians are overextended, they held on to areas that are difficult to supply and defend. The Bakhmut/Soledar/Siversk lines should have been pulled back 2 months ago. Some people argue that they're bleeding the Russians by holding on stubbornly, but the opposite is also true. The combat experienced mechanized brigades are losing men and equipment in these siege battles which Russia is better equipped for. Russians have more artillery, armor and manpower for the meat grinder. Ukraine has proven to be able to execute complicated field maneuvers that can punch through Russian lines (i.e. Kharkiv) but instead chose a slugfest.

It's a repeat of May/June all over again.

IMO Ukraine decided to stick to defense to regroup, arm up with new supplies of western gear/tech, and allow more time for trained troops from NATO countries to get back to Ukraine and back towards the front. It's an incredibly complex orchestra of logistics and timing is so important. Russia is starting to push now because they want to get some gains before the western armor starts showing up in decisive numbers. Luckily they aren't having much success

 

[nihilistxn85]

this and covid thread shows how the goys are retarded.
i feel so disgusted by homo sapiens.
i wish i was a neanderthal.

 

[San Marino]

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, February 4, 2023.

Key Takeaways:

• A Russian decisive offensive operation is unlikely to target Zaporizhia City from the western Donetsk–Zaporizhia frontline.
• Russian forces have not shown the capacity to sustain the multiple simultaneous large-scale offensive operations that would be necessary to reach the administrative borders of Donetsk Oblast and seize Zaporizhia City.
• The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has launched a series of efforts to restructure and consolidate the mismatched blend of irregular forces supporting Russia’s war in Ukraine into Russia’s conventional military forces.
• The Russian MoD’s decision to undertake significant structural reform while preparing for a major offensive in eastern Ukraine likely represents an effort by Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov to complete reforms while he has Russian President Vladimir Putin’s often fleeting favor.
• Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin is overcompensating for his declining influence by continuing to frame himself as the sole victor in the Bakhmut area.
• Russian and Ukrainian officials exchanged 63 Russian POWs for 116 Ukrainian POWs.
• Russian forces conducted limited offensive operations northwest of Svatove and continued offensive operations around Kreminna.
• Russian forces continued offensive operations around Bakhmut and Vuhledar but have slowed the pace of their offensives along the western outskirts of Donetsk City.
• Ukrainian forces continue to target Russian military assets in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast.
• Russian authorities are attempting to reinvigorate force generation efforts by drawing from broader pools of manpower.

 

[GhostZ06]

casualties according to mossad

This is sounding like the Paraguay war in the 1800s when the dictator refused to surrender to brazil and sacrifice the ENTIRE male population of the country. They had to marry boys to adult women to keep the ethnicity alive. Zelensky is sacrificing all the male adult population fit to combat.

lmao these are fucking trash

 

[Strychnine]

im sure you and Scott have LOTS in common.

 

[curryjunkie]

Russia are the ones that backed out of those negotiations anyways, not Ukraine. The whole "story" is falling apart. Also lots of hebrew speakers pointing out this is not a correct interpretation of the interview on twitter. Also hilarious that an Israeli PM would suggest ceding land for peace.

its been stated in these threads before that russias terms for peace talks were that they keep all the land they had captured at the start before they lost some, thats in no way a credible deal for the ukranians to accept, NATO knows it, they also know you can trust putins word as far as you can throw an elephant, of course they rejected it. but at the end of the day its not up to NATO its up to ukraine what terms they accept, Israel themselves would never accept those terms either.

 

[AWilder]

this and covid thread shows how the goys are retarded.
i feel so disgusted by homo sapiens.
i wish i was a neanderthal.

Do go on

 

[Denter]

I believe that the Israeli guy believes it, because he is starting from the premise that Putin was negotiating in good faith.

The Israeli minister might believe that, but I don’t, not for a single second, which causes the whole narrative the San Marinos of the world want to push to collapse under its own weight.

Not entertaining a deal you know to be bullshit offered in bad faith is not the same thing as squashing a legitimate peace proposal.

Yeah IMO there is a very complex relationship between Russia and Israel and I'm not enough of an expert to parse what's going on with that.

 

[Hog-train]

Alright back to military stuff.

I think Ukraine utilized the wrong defensive strategy in the past few months. Instead utilizing flexible defense counterattacking when Russians are overextended, they held on to areas that are difficult to supply and defend. The Bakhmut/Soledar/Siversk lines should have been pulled back 2 months ago. Some people argue that they're bleeding the Russians by holding on stubbornly, but the opposite is also true. The combat experienced mechanized brigades are losing men and equipment in these siege battles which Russia is better equipped for. Russians have more artillery, armor and manpower for the meat grinder. Ukraine has proven to be able to execute complicated field maneuvers that can punch through Russian lines (i.e. Kharkiv) but instead chose a slugfest.

The front lines have devolved into WW1 style trench warfare. The Ukrainians can't really counterattack because they don't have the equipment to do so yet. So the only choice is to hold on in this attritional warfare until they get enough mechanized hardware to do a big counter offensive.

The people advocating for "peace" by allowing Russia to just keep the land they've taken are straight retarded.

 

[curryjunkie]

UK military assistance so far , also highlights other european packages... https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9477/CBP-9477.pdf

another list of aid given https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/what-military-aid-has-britain-given-to-ukraine/ this one is only valid up to aug 2022 so doesnt include stuff like the braveheart 155mm self propelled guns and the challenger tanks. edit, it does list 20 x M109 howitzers, think they mean AS90 Braveheart
Military Aid

• Trained 22,000 Ukrainian troops since 2015 as part of Operation Orbital. This operation was suspended following the full-scale Russian invasion; a new British-led multinational operation commenced on 9 July 2022 as part of Operation Interflex.
• Sale of two Sandown-class minehunters.
• £1.7 billion sterling agreement to support the acquisition of eight missile craft and one frigate.
• Deployment of RC-135W Rivet Joint surveillance aircraft to provide information on size and position of Russian forces.
• ISTAR (intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance) support, both standalone and in partnership with the United States.
• Delivered “thousands” of NLAW anti-armour weapons and Javelin anti-tank missiles.[456] The total amount was stated to be over 6,500 as of 3 June 2022.
• £25 million in financial backing for the Ukrainian military.
• Unspecified further military aid, on 28 February 2022.
• Unspecified number of Javelin anti-tank missiles, on 10 March 2022.
• The UK announced a further 6,000 defensive missiles will be sent to Ukraine, on 24 March 2022.
• Starstreak man-portable air-defense systems.
• UK announced the supply of an unspecified amount of “armoured vehicles and long-range artillery” to Ukraine, on 31 March 2022, on 9 April a figure of 120 armoured vehicles was given along with an unspecified number of anti-ship missiles. A 14 April interview gave the following partial breakdown:
  • 40 CVR(T) derived vehicles including the Stormer HVM SHORAD, FV104 Samaritan armoured ambulance, FV106 Samson armoured recovery vehicle & FV107 Scimitar Tracked Recon Vehicle.
  • 35 FV103 Spartan APCs.
  • 80 protected mobility vehicles including Mastiff protected patrol vehicles, Wolfhound heavy tactical support vehicles and Husky light tactical support vehicles.
• British Army donates 84,000 helmets to Ukraine.
• UK announced an additional £100 million in military aid, on 8 April. This includes further Starstreak missiles, 800 NLAW, Javelin anti-tank missiles and precision loitering munitions. Further military helmets, nightvision equipment and body armour will be provided on top of 200,000 pieces of non-lethal military equipment supplied so far.
• UK announced further unspecified amount of lethal military aid to Ukraine on 23 April. “The Prime Minister confirmed that the UK is providing more defensive military aid, including protected mobility vehicles, drones and anti-tank weapons.” The UK announced a further £300 million in military aid to Ukraine. Boris Johnson made this announcement in a videolink address to the Rada, on the 3 May.
  • Electronic warfare equipment.
  • Counter battery radar.
  • GPS Jammers.
  • ‘Thousands’ of Night Vision devices.
  • 13 bulletproof Babcock Toyota Landcruiser for civilian officials such as mayors and evacuation operations.
  • Heavy lift cargo drones.
• The UK has been supplying an unspecified number of British made Brimstone missiles into Ukraine.
  
• The UK announced a further £1 billion in military support to Ukraine. The total sum was £1.3 billion (US$1.6 billion), however, this included the £300 million that was pledged on 3 May.
• 30 March, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office provided £20 million to the Ukrainian Armed Forces for salaries through a deposit in the National Bank of Ukraine, followed by a further £5 million on 18 May
• 6 June, the United Kingdom confirmed it would provide an unspecified number of M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System along with M31A1 ammunition and provide training to the Ukrainian operators in the UK.
• 16 June, confirmed 20 used M109 howitzer ad been bought from a Belgian arms dealer, refurbished and partially delivered to Ukraine.
• 17 June, the UK offered to set up and administer a program to provide three weeks general infantry, first aid, cyber security, and counter explosive tactics training to 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers every four months hosted by a neighbouring country. This would better equip Ukraine to replace battlefield casualties.
• 27 June, From this week, 200 Ukrainian soldiers are set to arrive in the UK every day to receive training from the UK’s Armed Forces, the Chief of the Defence Staff said.
• 28 June, during the NATO summit in Madrid the UK committed to providing Ukraine a further £1 billion of military support towards the acquisition of “sophisticated” Air Defence Systems, Electronic Warfare Equipment, Drones and Ammunition for Long Range Rocket Artillery.
• 29 June, The UK has facilitated the transfer of 3 Norwegian MLRS systems. The Norwegian systems will need upgrading, so the UK will receive and upgrade the Norwegian MLRS pieces, to backfill upgraded British pieces already being sent to Ukraine.
• 30 June, The UK revealed it had been training hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers on British Artillery Systems on Salisbury Plain (UK). The UK also stated it had purchased 50 L119 Howitzers from a British company and will be deploying these weapons to Ukraine imminently.[483] The New Zealand Army has deployed personnel who are training Ukrainian soldiers on L119 artillery pieces in the UK (see NZ entry above).
• On the 21 July British Secretary of Defence, Ben Wallance, announced the UK will send “50,000 artillery shells, counter-battery radar systems and hundreds of drones” and “scores” of artillery guns over the coming weeks along with 1,600 anti-tank weapons.
  • 20 M109 155mm self-propelled guns;
  • 36 L119 105mm artillery guns; and
  • 50,000 of rounds for Ukraine’s Soviet era artillery.
• 11 August The UK confirmed it was delivering an additional three M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System and M31A1 rockets, the previous day Ukraine had announced that the equipment had been received.
• 24 August UK announced a £54m package including 850 Black Hornet Nano drones, 200 surveillance drones and ~1000 anti-tank loitering munitions.
• 27 August the British MoD announced it would provide six mine hunting UUVs to Ukraine along with training Ukrainian naval personnel in their use.

 

[Strychnine]

Vladimir Putin's Soldiers Starving In Ukraine, Surviving On Only 'Instant Noodles' & Potatoes Cooked On 'Rockets'

"Vladimir Putin’s forces are starving in Ukraine and are forced to survive on only potatoes, onions and instant noodles cooked using the back ends of rockets, RadarOnline.com has learned.

In a surprising development to come as Russia’s death toll recently surpassed 500,000, one Russian soldier spoke out to reveal the Russian military’s food situation has not changed even 12 months after first invading Ukraine in February 2022.

Even more shocking was recently released footage of a Russian battlefield kitchen that indicated Putin’s soldiers are struggling to survive as their options for food and nutrients are severely limited.

That is the revelation shared by one Russian soldier named Sedoy who recently spoke to the pro-Kremlin news outlet Moskovskij Komsomolets to speak openly about the poor food conditions he and his fellow soldiers suffer in Ukraine, according to Daily Star."

Vladimir Putin's Soldiers Starving In Ukraine, Surviving On Only 'Instant Noodles' & Potatoes Cooked On 'Rockets' (msn.com)

This came up in my newsfeed. I can't verify that it's 100% gospel, but it's very telling if true.

 

[curryjunkie]

Vladimir Putin's Soldiers Starving In Ukraine, Surviving On Only 'Instant Noodles' & Potatoes Cooked On 'Rockets'

"Vladimir Putin’s forces are starving in Ukraine and are forced to survive on only potatoes, onions and instant noodles cooked using the back ends of rockets, RadarOnline.com has learned.

In a surprising development to come as Russia’s death toll recently surpassed 500,000, one Russian soldier spoke out to reveal the Russian military’s food situation has not changed even 12 months after first invading Ukraine in February 2022.

Even more shocking was recently released footage of a Russian battlefield kitchen that indicated Putin’s soldiers are struggling to survive as their options for food and nutrients are severely limited.

That is the revelation shared by one Russian soldier named Sedoy who recently spoke to the pro-Kremlin news outlet Moskovskij Komsomolets to speak openly about the poor food conditions he and his fellow soldiers suffer in Ukraine, according to Daily Star."

Vladimir Putin's Soldiers Starving In Ukraine, Surviving On Only 'Instant Noodles' & Potatoes Cooked On 'Rockets' (msn.com)

This came up in my newsfeed. I can't verify that it's 100% gospel, but it's very telling if true.

instant noodles eh, so basically, they are on a college student diet..

 

[aries]

im sure you and Scott have LOTS in common.

What a strange fellow.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

this and covid thread shows how the goys are retarded.
i feel so disgusted by homo sapiens.
i wish i was a neanderthal.

After reading that post I assumed you were.

 

[aries]

The woman is scared shitless. They really should get her out of there. Not sure she would do well at a 4th of July fireworks celebration.

She'll have permanent PTSD within another week.

 

[aries]

its been stated in these threads before that russias terms for peace talks were that they keep all the land they had captured at the start before they lost some, thats in no way a credible deal for the ukranians to accept, NATO knows it, they also know you can trust putins word as far as you can throw an elephant, of course they rejected it. but at the end of the day its not up to NATO its up to ukraine what terms they accept, Israel themselves would never accept those terms either.

Israel have far more in common with Russian in this situation than Ukraine so no surprise they might urge Ukraine to consider accepting such shitty terms.

 

[Yehudim]

Snips from the interview:
- He brokered a tentative peace deal back in March 2022 and Ukraine and Russia came close to ceasefire
- Putin promised not to kill Zelensky
- Ukraine will drop attempt to join NATO
- Russia will drop demand to disarm Ukraine
- Johnson, Macron, Scholz and Biden vetoed the deal stating Russia needs to be punished. Johnson was the most belligerent followed by Biden. Macro and Scholz were on the pragmatic side.


Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-putin-assured-me-at-moscow-meeting-he-wouldnt-kill-zelensky/

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Full Interview (Long)

Can somebody explain why Israel finds it so important to remain on good terms with Russia? Russia backs Syria & Iran and yet the Israeli's have looked for every opportunity to avoid upsetting Russia. I am not aware of any huge resource dependence, they go against Israeli interest, at least on a surface level, I don't get it.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Lol, the former Israeli PM giving an interview is "russian propaganda"

I came here to post this tho, pretty interesting interview. If true, Biden completely owns this conflict.

Of course he does , Maybe old Joe should have cut the ribbon and drove the first tank in UKR to help deNazify . If you believe any "negotiations" with Putin will work out long term for you then are a unique kind of stupid. Even if this was true rewarding him for his war and land grabs isnt going to stop him in the future. Taking a knee to Putin doesnt work even though you want it to. You might as well take your white flag and shove it up your own ass. Putin has poked the bear to many times and is going to pay for it this time no matter what the "surrender" boys want.