International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[Strychnine]

 

[San Marino]

The other side of that bullshit is to insinuate Ukraine is running out of bodies and that isn't true.

It is not? Where are fresh Ukrainian troops coming from?

Bahkmut is about grinding down Russia with lopsided casualty numbers, which is how Ukraine wins the war.

Only Russians are dying? Ukraine has lost a few hundred soldiers in Bahkmut.

 

[San Marino]

So, tanks and artillery does not work for Russia, but it is somehow going to work for Ukraine?

 

[Strychnine]

So, tanks and artillery does not work for Russia, but it is somehow going to work for Ukraine?

Sure the work when you use combined arms and not just "forward with meatwall." Russia isn't getting the intel to their forces they way the Ukrainians are, AWACS, satellites, drones, secured comms.

All of that info combined with NATO tactics are holding and (for the most part) overcoming the zerg rush.

 

[San Marino]

Sure the work when you use combined arms and not just "forward with meatwall." Russia isn't getting the intel to their forces they way the Ukrainians are, AWACS, satellites, drones, secured comms. All of that info combined with NATO tactics are holding and (for the most part) overcoming the zerg rush.

I'm not sure how many have figured this out yet. Ukraine is getting just enough aid not to lose but not enough to win. At least 1 to 3 more years of fighting.

 

[MTT]

It is not? Where are fresh Ukrainian troops coming from?

Only Russians are dying? Ukraine has lost a few hundred soldiers in Bahkmut.

Between active and reserve Ukraine was fielding an army of roughly 1 mil. Where are they coming from? Ukraine has a massive supply of fighting-age males, well over 6 million. They aren't running out of bodies anytime soon, regardless of whatever warped casualty figures you're looking at. You know it too. If Ukraine wasn't achieving the K/D ratio they need to exhaust Russia, they wouldn't be fighting over Bahkmut. As the wind blows, what's your current position? Betting against you is a dub. Russia is going to need all the unfortunately brainwashed MAGA NPC to join up if they want a shot at winning this war. I'm really glad a tiny portion of my taxes are going to Ukraine's fight for survival. A really great investment, so my children don't end up having to war over Russia's imperialistic aspirations.

 

[San Marino]

. Russia-Ukraine | Breaking News & Live Updates | AP News (multiple stories)
. U.S. sending ammunition, tanker trucks, boats to Ukraine (aol.com)
The American weapons will be taken from Pentagon stocks through the presidential drawdown authority, so it will be able to be delivered quickly to the warfront. The U.S. has provided more than $32.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine since Russia invaded in February 2022.

 

[GhostZ06]

Our economy is shit and has been for a long time, so we have far less money to spend. And we aren't in fear of being invaded or a war, so defence gets big cuts.

Whoever invades us will have to do so majorly from the sea, and no other countries have blue water navies capable of seriously threatening us with the exception of the US, who are our allies.

So why do we need a big navy?

I agree it's sad but pragmatically I can see why we've ended up in this position. I think we can just about manage to sail some Royal Marines across the world to defend the Maldives, if Argentina decide to try their luck again.

To be fair naval and air power has been britian primary long arm. So having a large navy shouldn't be to hard to imagine since its kind of a English thing. It's kind of disgrace IMO for it to be that small.

 

[San Marino]

Between active and reserve Ukraine was fielding an army of roughly 1 mil. Where are they coming from? Ukraine has a massive supply of fighting-age males, well over 6 million. They aren't running out of bodies anytime soon, regardless of whatever warped casualty figures you're looking at.

Russia is 28 times the size of Ukraine. If Ukraine is doing that well, how do you think Russia will do?

I'm really glad a tiny portion of my taxes are going to Ukraine's fight for survival. A really great investment, so my children don't end up having to war over Russia's imperialistic aspirations.

You really believe that? The Cold War ended in 1991. Why would Russia have imperialistic aspirations in 2022?

 

[MTT]

Why would Russia have imperialistic aspirations in 2022?

28x the size of Ukraine in what regard? Put the 6 million fit for fighting Ukraine males against an invading Russian force of 30 million fit for fighting Russian males and Ukraine is winning this war.

 

[SandisLL]

Sure the work when you use combined arms and not just "forward with meatwall." Russia isn't getting the intel to their forces they way the Ukrainians are, AWACS, satellites, drones, secured comms.

All of that info combined with NATO tactics are holding and (for the most part) overcoming the zerg rush.

They are using huge number of drones incl quadrocopters in Bakhmut area and sadly also does have better protection for their artillery than Ukr....

A lot of drones used are civilian stuff everyone might buy from Ali express...some % of them aren't doctored, some % are heavily doctored...

Plus Russia looks that does have decent supplies with ammo and drones from Belarus and Iran...
In last attack vs Ukr ruSSia had used 16 Iranian drones remarked as produced in ruSSia....

 

[Rational Poster]

Russia is 28 times the size of Ukraine. If Ukraine is doing that well, how do you think Russia will do?

You really believe that? The Cold War ended in 1991. Why would Russia have imperialistic aspirations in 2022?

28 times? The population is barely 3x larger in total, but the key demographics of fighting age men is not that different. Turns our centuries of bloody wars and internal purges really fucks up your long term demographics. Barely 2:1 advantage in fighting age men, if that at this point, considering how many have been killed or fled the country. Russia banned Wagner from prison recruiting... not because it looks bad.. but because the Russian MoD wants to start their own penal battalions.

But manpower isn't exactly Russia's problem. Equipment destruction and degradation is going to be their problem the longer this goes on. Doesn't matter if they have a 10:1 advantage if they don't have any trucks.

Also, multiple leading Russian officials have made claims of Russia's intent to reclaim their dominance over former Soviet territories. The Baltics, Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, etc Threatening to nuke London, Paris, Berlin and most recently the Netherlands.

 

[SandisLL]

To be fair naval and air power has been britian primary long arm. So having a large navy shouldn't be to hard to imagine since its kind of a English thing. It's kind of disgrace IMO for it to be that small.

Well, for example ideology prowided here by Dexter....
It isn't reality.
Since Hitler had decided to attack U.K and had decided invade his friend's Stalin's country he already had lost more than 1000 airplanes and approx 2000 commisioned well trained aviation officers ( uni level ) plus part of navy....
So Hitler already had 0 chances to invade U.K with ground forces in any case regardless had he spent resources to fight vs USSR or no.
West really should had refused lend lease to USSR and then guys like Dexter today had posted in deutsch not bothered to know russian language.....

 

[MeatheadMike]

. Russia-Ukraine | Breaking News & Live Updates | AP News (multiple stories)
. U.S. sending ammunition, tanker trucks, boats to Ukraine (aol.com)
The American weapons will be taken from Pentagon stocks through the presidential drawdown authority, so it will be able to be delivered quickly to the warfront. The U.S. has provided more than $32.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine since Russia invaded in February 2022.

To put in perspective, the US spent about $300 Mil per day on the Afghanistan war.... and that went on for 20 years.
So if that $32 B figure is true, the amount the US spent aiding Ukraine is roughly what it spent in 3 months of Afghanistan.

That's probably the most effective use of US tax dollars we've ever seen.

 

[Rational Poster]

Well, for example ideology prowided here by Dexter....
It isn't reality.
Since Hitler had decided to attack U.K and had decided invade his friend's Stalin's country he already had lost more than 1000 airplanes and approx 2000 commisioned well trained aviation officers ( uni level ) plus part of navy....
So Hitler already had 0 chances to invade U.K with ground forces in any case regardless had he spent resources to fight vs USSR or no.
West really should had refused lend lease to USSR and then guys like Dexter today had posted in deutsch not botherered to know russian language.....

A big part of Soviet and Russian propaganda since the 50s has been to downplay the amount of foreign assistance they received during the war and portray it as a purely Russian conflict.

If we helped Ukraine the way we helped the USSR this shit would have been over a long time ago.

At least the USSR made their lend lease payments.

 

[San Marino]

28x the size of Ukraine in what regard? Put the 6 million fit for fighting Ukraine males against an invading Russian force of 30 million fit for fighting Russian males and Ukraine is winning this war.

How is Ukraine winning this war? Russia still conquers roughly 20% of the country. They are not being pushed out. China and Iran have now sided with Russia. Ukraine is not winning, and Russia is not losing. The United States does not want Ukraine to win against Russia. Enough aid to keep from losing but not enough to bring about a victory either.

 

[Denter]

A big part of Soviet and Russian propaganda since the 50s has been to downplay the amount of foreign assistance they received during the war and portray it as a purely Russian conflict.

If we helped Ukraine the way we helped the USSR this shit would have been over a long time ago.

At least the USSR made their lend lease payments.

My understanding is that they made a few payments at 75% of the debt was written off and never repaid.

 

[San Marino]

To put in perspective, the US spent about $300 Mil per day on the Afghanistan war.... and that went on for 20 years. So if that $32 B figure is true, the amount the US spent aiding Ukraine is roughly what it spent in 3 months of Afghanistan.

You left out the Iraq war costs to be added on top of what the US spent in Afghanistan. We had a much better economy than what we have now. Inflation is up, the southern border is open, and crime is up. The dollar continues to lose value in the world market. The banking system is now in danger of collapsing again. The country (US) is not doing well at all. It will continue to not do well for another two years. Money being poured into Ukraine only makes matters worse.

 

[Rational Poster]

My understanding is that they made a few payments at 75% of the debt was written off and never repaid.

Probably more than that was written off, temporarily. USSR and US agreed that USSR would make payments and be granted Most Favored Nations trade status. They made their first 3 payments but weren't granted the status so they got out of having to pay the rest. However, Russia did agree to start paying again in 1993 and it was paid off in 2006.

 

[jimbob27]

How is Ukraine winning this war? Russia still conquers roughly 20% of the country. They are not being pushed out. China and Iran have now sided with Russia. Ukraine is not winning, and Russia is not losing. The United States does not want Ukraine to win against Russia. Enough aid to keep from losing but not enough to bring about a victory either.

I don't think NATO or America have really forumulated a long term strategy, because 14 months ago, nobody thought the destruction of the entire Russian army was even on the cards. Russia has gifted them this opportunity totally out of the blue.

Currently I think they are doing what you said, "Enough aid to keep from losing but not enough to bring about a victory either" because the US and NATO want time to work out a long term plan. I don't think they want to totally destabilize a country with 6000 nukes, but they're certainly going to use this opportunity to do as much damage as possible to the Putin administration.

The west could certainly give Ukraine enough help to push Russia back to the border, but does anyone think Russia would accept that as a Ukrainian victory? Would it end in a Korean DMZ situation, or perhaps Russia never stops attacking, and Ukraine is forced to build the modern equivalent to the Great Wall of China.