International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[Strychnine]

Good info in this one about Russia's population and it's ability to produce more fighting men.

 

[Strychnine]

Fecal matter flowing through the streets from the fertilizer plant? Take it from me, that's not a good thing.

Sanctions in place to stop procurement of replacement parts for the factory aren't helping either. It's all Pres. Putin's fault. P.M. Thatcher was right about Pres. Putin 100%

 

[PEB]

Putin treating Xi like a 3rd world leader. Met with the deputy PM

Here is a photo of him on the right.

LOL

Not really but just about right lol.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

How is Ukraine winning this war? Russia still conquers roughly 20% of the country. They are not being pushed out. China and Iran have now sided with Russia. Ukraine is not winning, and Russia is not losing. The United States does not want Ukraine to win against Russia. Enough aid to keep from losing but not enough to bring about a victory either.

This ends when Russia collapses...which it will just like the Soviet Union, Russia will cut their nose off to spite it's face.

 

[Badr Hari]

28x the size of Ukraine in what regard? Put the 6 million fit for fighting Ukraine males against an invading Russian force of 30 million fit for fighting Russian males and Ukraine is winning this war.

Troll job is to troll. By his logic Canada beats militarily anyone on earth. Russia doesn't even have twice the population of Ukraine in terms of slavic ethnic russians ready to defend the "motherland" and the rest of the population won't have the needed morale to fight for the cause of someone else. Even the ethnic russians which are only twice the size of ukrainians don't have the morale of ukrainians as it is an offensive war for them. (Offensive, not to say for the election purposes of a sick old regime)

 

[Rational Poster]

@Denter more on the USSR lend lease stuff since I was looking into it.

In total, the lend lease materials provided to the USSR is estimated to make up as low as 4% of the total assistance the USSR received from the Allies... and lend lease materials were valued as low as 10 cents on the dollar.. and the payments were not adjusted for inflation when agreement was finally made. (The Allies kept insanely detailed records on this stuff.. like we know we gave them over 257 million buttons.)

Russia was essentially donated an arms industry + logistics system + a significant portion of the raw materials to run it for basically free that was better than the arms industry and logistics system they had in place before Germany destroyed it.

 

[SandisLL]

A big part of Soviet and Russian propaganda since the 50s has been to downplay the amount of foreign assistance they received during the war and portray it as a purely Russian conflict.

If we helped Ukraine the way we helped the USSR this shit would have been over a long time ago.

At least the USSR made their lend lease payments.

Yes.
In 1949 th Joseph Stalin decided to bully his recent allies and to demand cede recently negotiated West Berlin should be in western control to USSR and even attempted to starve out ppl in West Berlin with blockade.... when during some months West Berlin had been supplied with everything via airplanes .....
Damn.
Real friends.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Troll job is to troll. By his logic Canada beats militarily anyone on earth. Russia doesn't even have twice the population of Ukraine in terms of slavic ethnic russians ready to defend the "motherland" and the rest of the population won't have the needed morale to fight for the cause of someone else. Even the ethnic russians which are only twice the size of ukrainians don't have the morale of ukrainians as it is an offensive war for them. (Offensive, not to say for the election purposes of a sick old regime)

Yep, hard to take him seriously with a comment like that...Just think how Russia can use all that frozen uninhabited wasteland to their advantage.

 

[Cole train]

I don't think NATO or America have really forumulated a long term strategy, because 14 months ago, nobody thought the destruction of the entire Russian army was even on the cards. Russia has gifted them this opportunity totally out of the blue.

Currently I think they are doing what you said, "Enough aid to keep from losing but not enough to bring about a victory either" because the US and NATO want time to work out a long term plan. I don't think they want to totally destabilize a country with 6000 nukes, but they're certainly going to use this opportunity to do as much damage as possible to the Putin administration.

The west could certainly give Ukraine enough help to push Russia back to the border, but does anyone think Russia would accept that as a Ukrainian victory? Would it end in a Korean DMZ situation, or perhaps Russia never stops attacking, and Ukraine is forced to build the modern equivalent to the Great Wall of China.

If ukr pushes rus back to borders then conflict will continue

Russia losing means civil war inside russia and everyone knows it from putin to ordinary guy

Hence defeat is not an option no matter what it takes

 

[MeatheadMike]

You left out the Iraq war costs to be added on top of what the US spent in Afghanistan.

Adding the Iraq war costs would just further prove my point that what the US is spending in Ukraine is a drop in the bucket, and way more effective.

We had a much better economy than what we have now. Inflation is up, the southern border is open, and crime is up. The dollar continues to lose value in the world market. The banking system is now in danger of collapsing again. The country (US) is not doing well at all. It will continue to not do well for another two years. Money being poured into Ukraine only makes matters worse.

None of this is remotely true.... right at the beginning of the war on terror we were going through the dot com bubble crash, and then in 2007 we went through the worst global financial crisis since the great depression… yet we still managed to sustain the massive war spending and even continued spending for another 10 years after that.

Also the US dollar is currently stronger vs the Euro, Yen, GBP, or any other major currency, than it was in Jan 2022 before the Russian invasion started.

 

[PEB]

"
He was filmed by Russian state TV driving around the stricken city and meeting with residents on his first visit to Ukraine since the war began 12 months ago.

State media reported Putin, 70, made a "working trip" to the war-ravaged port city of Mariupol.

But he was mocked by leading official Anton Gerashchenko who posted three images of Putin’s chin and questioned whether they belonged to the same man.

Rumours about Putin's health and reports of his paranoia have fuelled speculation he could use body doubles or camera tricks."

 

[Badr Hari]

Yep, hard to take him seriously with a comment like that...Just think how Russia can use all that frozen uninhabited wasteland to their advantage.

They can create new capitals in Siberia for the annexed oblasts once they leave Ukr. Did you know they legit started building a new capital for Kherson oblast once they pulled out of Kherson city and are thinking about locating the capital of Zaporizhzhia oblast inside Crimea. Sooner or later they'll have to displace Sevastopol and Donetsk behind the Urals.

 

[SandisLL]

If about Baltic countries, they aren't stupid.....
They does know real " western help " and never will forget this reality.
In Yalta westerners agreed to sell their countries to Kremlin.
It is reality and first was not U.S here to sell them to Stalin.
When Cold War had been rised up british and U.S intelligence needed to get intelligence info from USSR.
For this reason CIA and British intelligence heavily financed info stuff like radio free europe etc while they didn't had any real intent to help them, pretty opposite..... LOL.
All they in reality needed was intelligence info from countries they had " sold " to uncle Stalin.
Better for free...
Therefore they ( CIA and MI ,) had used remainings of resistance movemement in Chech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania and Latvia and Estonia in order despite being Kremlin's allies and buds to use ppl in these countries for free to get info for intelligence services and even encourage them to fight guerilla war in areas western " allies " long ago had ceded to Stalin.

Sadly for western dreamers attempts to turn them into Kurds No x - xx will not be successful without very huge damages to western economies....cos financial reasons alone.
Cos no one with brains ever will trust any paper signed by politician. It is joke to trust such toilet papers worth shit.

 

[GhostZ06]

To put in perspective, the US spent about $300 Mil per day on the Afghanistan war.... and that went on for 20 years.
So if that $32 B figure is true, the amount the US spent aiding Ukraine is roughly what it spent in 3 months of Afghanistan.

That's probably the most effective use of US tax dollars we've ever seen.

We're getting rid of old shit. The abrams? its gonna be replaced, Bradly replacement program is underway
m4 rifle? Getting phased out for the new m7
Paladin is getting heavy overhaul.....

Hell even ATACM's is getting phased out for a smaller more efficacent missile.

A lot of those humvees? yep already getting pushed out...
F-16s? Force is getting replaced by F-35.

 

[SandisLL]

Adding the Iraq war costs would just further prove my point that what the US is spending in Ukraine is a drop in the bucket, and way more effective.



None of this is remotely true.... right at the beginning of the war on terror we were going through the dot com bubble crash, and then in 2007 we went through the worst global financial crisis since the great depression… yet we still managed to sustain the massive war spending and even continued spending for another 10 years after that.

Also the US dollar is currently stronger vs the Euro, Yen, GBP, or any other major currency, than it was in Jan 2022 before the Russian invasion started.

Germany in monetary means had provided to Ukraine lesser than they had provided for Gulf War I in 1990 ies.
This is Kiel Institute research ...
More than 3x lesser.
Historical rusaias allies in their dirty dreams.

 

[jimbob27]

If ukr pushes rus back to borders then conflict will continue

Russia losing means civil war inside russia and everyone knows it from putin to ordinary guy

Hence defeat is not an option no matter what it takes

This is why the situation is so difficult. That's just one of many ways this could play out which would be horrendous for global security. 1991 was a shitshow but could have been much worse than it was. Maybe this time the nation of Prigozhinland ends up with the nukes.

 

[SandisLL]

If about Baltic countries they aren't idiots and does knows westerners history......
Therefore they had ceded banking sector to their " friends " from West, sold to them mortgage and land property and even allowed to boost up mortgage credit bubble with westerners money...
Recently with famous " covid money ".
One from large holdings had sold approx 1,5b worth property to americans and brits while had bought ~1 b worth properties in U.S.

Yeah, and best drones factory in Baltic countries had been sold to americans...
One " unicorn " had sold factory in Baltic countries to british/ american holding and bought stuff in California, U.S.
Largest and best cement factory in Baltic counties is in reality owned by mexican businessman with U.S passport....
This is just beginning of long tale...

 

[PEB]

New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu (R) criticized fellow Republicans, including former President Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, for their increasingly isolationist views on the war in Ukraine, writing in an op-ed that opposing U.S. aid “is not a viable foreign policy.”

“Simply opposing aid to Ukraine because President Biden supports it is not a viable foreign policy,” Sununu, who is mulling a potential presidential run, wrote in The New York Times. “To abandon Ukraine would set off a negative chain of events for U.S. interests domestically and abroad.”

He knows how to handle Russians lol.

 

[SandisLL]

This is why the situation is so difficult. That's just one of many ways this could play out which would be horrendous for global security. 1991 was a shitshow but could have been much worse than it was. Maybe this time the nation of Prigozhinland ends up with the nukes.

This is narrative spreaded by FSB ( KGB ).
Kremlin does have more than 20 politicians to replace huilo and still afford to deal with loud mices like Kadirov and Prigozin.
Plus really even might afford to execute huilo for laziness even in public....and install new tzar...
Tzar that will declare the same bullshit btw...plebs will be happy, elite too.

 

[jimbob27]

We're getting rid of old shit. The abrams? its gonna be replaced, Bradly replacement program is underway
m4 rifle? Getting phased out for the new m7
Paladin is getting heavy overhaul.....

Hell even ATACM's is getting phased out for a smaller more efficacent missile.

A lot of those humvees? yep already getting pushed out...
F-16s? Force is getting replaced by F-35.

Ukraine's donors are also getting invaluable real world combat data on the effectiveness of their weapon systems, in a combat environment totally different from the counter-insurgency wars from the last 20 years. Most of the older stuff we're giving them was specifically designed to be used against Russia.