International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[Limbo Pete]

Active fighting killed less than unexploded ordnance from the stats I've read. You don't have any stats?

I'd post them but I think you'd just dismiss them as western propaganda while providing no evidence at all.

But the biolabs!
Puppet Zelensky!
NATO AGGRESSION!!!

 

[Cid]

More production/stockpile related shit

Apperantly france only has ammo for few weeks in "high intensity conflict" basically same problem as UK.Not prepared for peer conflict stuff

https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...ons-pour-la-haute-intensite_6162334_3210.html

All this ammo stuff is very different for developed western nations.

We don't fight wars of attrition, we use planes and missiles as our primary weapons. When planes that cost 5-6 digits just to launch are your primary weapons it's cost prohibitive to use dumb munitions.

Firing 5k munitions in a day results in 4980 hits. A few weeks might be 100k hits. That is a level of effective devastation that Ukraine can really only dream of. We can also counter large storage and production capacity of foreign powers by striking deep within their territory.

Knowing the next peer is likely China we should keep more in reserve but there is a very big difference between an artillery war fought predominately with dumb munitions and smart munitions from planes with air dominance.

 

[Cid]

But the biolabs!
Puppet Zelensky!
NATO AGGRESSION!!!

Russia pumps out a whole bunch of different reasons, some contradicting each other because they know different people will believe different reasons and generally ignore the contradictions.

Perun had the donbas casualties from the UN in one of his videos and 2020/2021 both had single digit fatalities from active hostilities for each year. Russia actually cited those reports because they know the people who swallow this shit aren't the kind of people to spend the time to find let alone read the actual reports.

Of the excuses given it's probably the most easily disproved if you're talking to a rational person who's open to actual evidence.

But I don't think he's rational which means the few minutes it takes to find that report is a waste of my time.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Russia pumps out a whole bunch of different reasons, some contradicting each other because they know different people will believe different reasons and generally ignore the contradictions.

Perun had the donbas casualties from the UN in one of his videos and 2020/2021 both had single digit fatalities from active hostilities for each year. Russia actually cited those reports because they know the people who swallow this shit aren't the kind of people to spend the time to find let alone read the actual reports.

Of the excuses given it's probably the most easily disproved if you're talking to a rational person who's open to actual evidence.

But I don't think he's rational which means the few minutes it takes to find that report is a waste of my time.

See now, I just make fun of people like that. It's a much better approach imo.

 

[PEB]

Republicans with key seats in congress want Biden to give timeliness to the support. When did they demand former President Bush timeliness on Iraq an Afghanistan?

One Marine who fought in both Iraq an Afghanistan said that when the Ukraine war started this war was unquestionable it really is a war for democracy.

He left the Marines an was in college at the time an left college to go an become a foreign fighter. He said he could not stand on the sidelines. He is back now after his tour an now talking about the horrors he seen in Ukraine. He said it was pure evil he seen Russians perform.

But here we are with Republicans playing geopolitics with the war for the ages.

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House GOP meet with Zelenskyy as far right opposes more aid




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WASHINGTON (AP) — A handful of congressional Republicans met Tuesday with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a signal of continued U.S. support even as hard-right members of the party vow to block future aid to the embattled country.

The newly appointed chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee led a small delegation to Kyiv to meet with Zelenskyy for the first time since the start of the war a year ago and since Republicans won the majority in the House of Representatives in November.

Chairman Mike McCaul and four other Republican lawmakers said they discussed at length what Ukraine’s military needs to fight off Russian aggression. Zelenskyy provided them with a list of weapons, including longer-range artillery and air-to-surface missile systems.

The meeting came one day after President Joe Biden made an unannounced trip to Kyiv to reaffirm U.S. support for Ukraine as the war heads into its second year.

Biden has been trying to keep the allies unified in their support for Ukraine as the war is expected to intensify with spring offensives. The biggest hurdle facing the president is House Republicans. McCaul’s visit Tuesday is the latest in a series of efforts by the Texas Republican to make the case to his party for why the U.S. should continue spending billions of dollars on the war effort.

“We have seen time and again the majority of Republicans and Democrats support our assistance to Ukraine. But the Biden administration needs to layout their long-term strategy,” McCaul said in a statement. “There are some Members who would be more supportive if they saw a long-term strategy that was based on a Ukrainian victory rather than sending just enough support to prolong the war but not win it.”

A spokesperson for McCaul noted the delegation has been focused on oversight and ensuring there are guardrails in place for any future aid to Ukraine.

A far-right faction of the Republican Party has been expressing its opposition to continued U.S. support to Ukraine since last spring. That campaign intensified this month when a group of 11 House Republicans led by Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida put forward a “Ukraine Fatigue” resolution. It stated that the U.S. “must end its military and financial aid to Ukraine” and urged the combatants to “reach a peace agreement.”"

Chud's like MTG an Matt Gaetz " Putin simps" run the house now.

 

[jimbob27]

The deal was Donbas be autonomous. Now we all know Russia will continue it's influence there, but it's not Russian territory or occupation. Seems like a good out to avoid escalation and possible WW3 with nukes involved.

Did you forget about the referendums Russia held? They've already absorbed Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.

In reality, if Russia wants a "neutral" border country between it and NATO, it needs to cede it's own territory to create one. Not take that of another country.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Based on publicly available immigration data.. Russia is nowhere near the USA.

Those are western cuck sources.

 

[Rod1]

More production/stockpile related shit

Apperantly france only has ammo for few weeks in "high intensity conflict" basically same problem as UK.Not prepared for peer conflict stuff

https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...ons-pour-la-haute-intensite_6162334_3210.html

The US would disassemble Russia in a straight up war, there is no need to have massive stockpiles of artillery rounds unless you are looking to fight WW1 again.

The US would probably suppress Russian ability to wage war in 3 weeks tops, no need to invade Russia proper, just demilitarize it like Iraq in 1991 or Serbia in 1999.

 

[SandisLL]

One from biggest mistakes Ukraine did was shit with Israel.
We know Israel pretty well and I'm surprised that Ukraine is dreaming to get weapons from Israel for war vs Russia.

Why?
● Reality we know 70 years in row is that regardless from party or politicians will rule Israel this basic thing NEVER will change even after next 70 years.
It is waste of time to dream to chage this.
For Israel Ukrainians always will be from " russian street ".
0 hope to change this.
♤
Ukraine 3 times challenged Israel when had voted against Israel in U.N.

A lot of western politicians had warned Ukraine not to do this.

Even our MoD all these 3 times under the table had warned Ukraine and advised to choose option NOT to vote if they doesn't support Israel but in NO CASE to vote AGAINST Israel and that it will bring huge and bad outcome for Ukraine in future.....

They not only had ignored this, now they are dreaming to get weapons from Israel ? It is laughable....

West at least managed to negotiate with Israel not to supply Russia with weapons.

 

[Cole train]

The US would disassemble Russia in a straight up war, there is no need to have massive stockpiles of artillery rounds unless you are looking to fight WW1 again.

The US would probably suppress Russian ability to wage war in 3 weeks tops, no need to invade Russia proper, just demilitarize it like Iraq in 1991 or Serbia in 1999.

Us would

Doesnt change it that france and uk are unprepared for this level of stuff which needs to be fixed in future

 

[NastyNinja]

Never lived in a time that the U.S isn't in position they must build weapons.

Not smart enough to know the facts/reality of this conflict... What I do know is the U.S needs to attack/defend something all the time.

 

[Vergilius]

One from biggest mistakes Ukraine did was shit with Israel.
We know Israel pretty well and I'm surprised that Ukraine is dreaming to get weapons from Israel for war vs Russia.

Why?
● Reality we know 70 years in row is that regardless from party or politicians will rule Israel this basic thing NEVER will change even after next 70 years.
It is waste of time to dream to chage this.
For Israel Ukrainians always will be from " russian street ".
0 hope to change this.
♤
Ukraine 3 times challenged Israel when had voted against Israel in U.N.

A lot of western politicians had warned Ukraine not to do this.

Even our MoD all these 3 times under the table had warned Ukraine and advised to choose option NOT to vote if they doesn't support Israel but in NO CASE to vote AGAINST Israel and that it will bring huge and bad outcome for Ukraine in future.....

They not only had ignored this, now they are dreaming to get weapons from Israel ? It is laughable....

West at least managed to negotiate with Israel not to supply Russia with weapons.

Still worth it to keep engaging with Israel: Iran is the mortal enemy of Israel, an existential threat through its support of Hizbollah and the Palestinians. Russia and Iran are growing closer by the day.

Now, Israel still needs to corporate with Russia in order to operate freely in Syria (where Russia is operating air defenses) - but an alliance between Russia and Iran is a nightmare for Israel, which it must seek new partners to balance out.

If nothing else, it may be possible to persuade Israel to provide counter measures to Iran's support of Russia in this war.

 

[Cole train]

All this ammo stuff is very different for developed western nations.

We don't fight wars of attrition, we use planes and missiles as our primary weapons. When planes that cost 5-6 digits just to launch are your primary weapons it's cost prohibitive to use dumb munitions.

Firing 5k munitions in a day results in 4980 hits. A few weeks might be 100k hits. That is a level of effective devastation that Ukraine can really only dream of. We can also counter large storage and production capacity of foreign powers by striking deep within their territory.

Knowing the next peer is likely China we should keep more in reserve but there is a very big difference between an artillery war fought predominately with dumb munitions and smart munitions from planes with air dominance.

In the study that UK academy did even precision rounds would last only 2 to 4 weeks

 

[SandisLL]

Still worth it to keep engaging with Israel: Iran is the mortal enemy of Israel, an existential threat through its support of Hizbollah and the Palestinians. Russia and Iran are growing closer by the day.

Now, Israel still needs to corporate with Russia in order to operate freely in Syria (where Russia is operating air defenses) - but an alliance between Russia and Iran is a nightmare for Israel, which it must seek new partners to balance out.

If nothing else, it may be possible to persuade Israel to provide counter measures to Iran's support of Russia in this war.

Well, for example despite stuff posted in mass media, voting against Israel in U.N had created damn huge risks for Ukraine to get further support from EU.

Estonia is heavily supporting Israel and it is No1 country in EU where Israel in real life does have highest level of support.
Why?
Israel was first country who afforded to sell weapons to Estonia when Bush was against this...This reality...

Latvian president is 1/2 jew...
Thanks to God he looks that doesn't watch ukr YT channels with donated jeeps named " banderomobiles ".
If he will see this, 0 weapons supplies....after this.
All support from Latvia Ukraine is getting is mainly just because Latvian PM is an american born in United States and this PM does have dual citizenship.... He had lived in U.S till get his first degree and had get Latvian citizenship cos parents lineage and reality that he is PhD level in lingusitics...
He had expressed oath to serve for United States and still is U.S citizen born in U.S and taught in United States. He refused to denounce U.S citizenship.
Latvian parliament is against $ loans and warranties to Ukr while doesn't block EU collective decisions and is supoorting weapons supplies....
President easily might block weapons supplies to Ukr because he is chief of armed forces according to constitution...
Thanks to God he doesn't watch YT channels with banderomobiles.
More than this, Latvia is operating with provisional budget...Parliament didn't had signed final budget 2023 th...
They does have different opinions about GDP predictions...

Lithuania is heavily pro Israel oriented in reality and looks that in reality are working with provisional budget..... approved for short term.
Poland might be " happy " about banderomobiles....

Ofc their support increased after Russia had hugged with Iran because in Baltic countries Iran is associated in mainstream public as supporter of these jihad suicide guys and gals with bombs....

 

[Cole train]

Prigozhin posted pic of wagners casualties in a day due to no ammo

Can be found on ukrainerussia report, cant post here since corpses are against rules to my knowledge

 

[SandisLL]

No one will care about corpses anyway...
More or lesser, world already is overpopulated .....

 

[Day Drinking]

Us would

Doesnt change it that france and uk are unprepared for this level of stuff which needs to be fixed in future

Do they? Why

 

[SandisLL]

For example for final budget approval problem in Latvia isn,'t recession.
State Teresury reports about GDP and revenue service income are better than had been calculated amd predicted....

Problem is with contracts for construction industry and for me as consctruction materials seller it really looks awful situation and I agree that final budget isn't approved today. Conceptual approval for short time.
While this country is food exporter so definitely will not have famine etc...

Estonia does have huge drop in export from manufacturing industry...

 

[SandisLL]

Do they? Why

They might sit in corner and admit that their real influence in world scene de facto is below Pakistan's level if they agree to admit this reality....then OK....

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

But the biolabs!
Puppet Zelensky!
NATO AGGRESSION!!!

putin was "provoked" not to mention the classic "deNazification"