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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10
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Why are you saying "us". You aren't American. And LMAO that I'm "paranoid" about it...it would never happen so WTF are you talking about?
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Russia carried out a test of an intercontinental ballistic missile that appears to have failed while President Joe Biden was in Ukraine on Monday, according to two US officials familiar with the matter.
Russia notified the United States in advance of the launch through deconfliction lines, one official said. Another official said that the test did not pose a risk to the United States and that the US did not view the test as an anomaly or an escalation.
The test of the heavy SARMAT missile -- nicknamed the Satan II in the West and capable of delivering multiple nuclear warheads -- appears to have failed, officials said. It has been successfully tested before and had this one worked, US officials believe Russian President Vladimir Putin would have highlighted the test in his State of the Nation address on Tuesday."
Russia carried out a test of an intercontinental ballistic missile that appears to have failed while President Joe Biden was in Ukraine on Monday, according to two US officials familiar with the matter.
Russia notified the United States in advance of the launch through deconfliction lines, one official said. Another official said that the test did not pose a risk to the United States and that the US did not view the test as an anomaly or an escalation.
The test of the heavy SARMAT missile -- nicknamed the Satan II in the West and capable of delivering multiple nuclear warheads -- appears to have failed, officials said. It has been successfully tested before and had this one worked, US officials believe Russian President Vladimir Putin would have highlighted the test in his State of the Nation address on Tuesday."
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Going to take months because each missile must be x-rayed to make sure they don't explode inside the HIMARS and blows it up.
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Based on publicly available immigration data.. Russia is nowhere near the USA.
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thanks for adding the note about countries joining NATO after collapse of USSR. that's the main thing I was wondering, "when did we expand towards Russa". thanks
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Vladimir Putin faces fresh criticism from Russian troops: 'We do not know who our commander is'
"'No training' and threatened with frontline
The soldier says that the group belongs to the 504th tank regiment and they were trained as artillerymen in Omsk. They were expecting further combat training, however 'no training was conducted with us' and they were sent to eastern Ukraine on 5 January. When they arrived in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, 'all personnel were dispersed to different places in different groups'.
He continued:
Communication with our command broke down. The only officer who stayed with us, the chief of artillery, said, 'I am not your commander, I am the chief of artillery. And there is no artillery anymore because the 504 tank regiment been disbanded and we now belong to the Donetsk People's Republic Army'.
The soldier said that the regiment was then retrained as infantry, however:
After several trips to the firing range, we were asked for money for petrol. If we didn't hand over money for petrol, it meant we didn't need our training and were ready for combat operations on the front line.
He said:
We do not know who our commander is and what unit we belong to.
The soldier added that there was 'no communication' between his regimental commander and the chief of staff."
Vladimir Putin faces fresh criticism from Russian troops: 'We do not know who our commander is' (msn.com)
No one to take charge except those who're holed up in luxury hotels (who may or may NOT care at this point to give you any orders), No junior officers to take charge, no NCO corps.
"'No training' and threatened with frontline
The soldier says that the group belongs to the 504th tank regiment and they were trained as artillerymen in Omsk. They were expecting further combat training, however 'no training was conducted with us' and they were sent to eastern Ukraine on 5 January. When they arrived in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, 'all personnel were dispersed to different places in different groups'.
He continued:
Communication with our command broke down. The only officer who stayed with us, the chief of artillery, said, 'I am not your commander, I am the chief of artillery. And there is no artillery anymore because the 504 tank regiment been disbanded and we now belong to the Donetsk People's Republic Army'.
The soldier said that the regiment was then retrained as infantry, however:
After several trips to the firing range, we were asked for money for petrol. If we didn't hand over money for petrol, it meant we didn't need our training and were ready for combat operations on the front line.
He said:
We do not know who our commander is and what unit we belong to.
The soldier added that there was 'no communication' between his regimental commander and the chief of staff."
Vladimir Putin faces fresh criticism from Russian troops: 'We do not know who our commander is' (msn.com)
No one to take charge except those who're holed up in luxury hotels (who may or may NOT care at this point to give you any orders), No junior officers to take charge, no NCO corps.
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You will not get it. Bots have trouble with such things. They are good at regurgitating same things over and over.
It's a bit like asking what sources he trusts after he shits on MSM. I am sure he'll deflect as they all do and then either post a Youtube video or Blog. Or best yet post a video of some shill who used to be colonel or whatever else with a last ditch effort fallacy of appeal to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam).
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I am shocked !
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putins-invincible-missile-very-common-224700287.html
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Putin's 'invincible' missile has a very common problem
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Michael Peck
Tue, February 21, 2023 at 2:47 PM PST
Russian navy frigate Admiral Gorshkov launches a Zircon hypersonic missile in the Barents Sea in May 2022.Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP
That's the conclusion of a British expert who says that the Zircon is a powerful weapon with major limitations.
"The operational deployment of the Zircon is an important development, but one whose significance should not be exaggerated," according to Sidharth Kaushal, a naval warfare expert at the Royal United Services Institute, a British defense think tank.
President Vladimir Putin has touted Russia's hypersonic weapons as being "invincible." Russian officials claim the 3M22 Zircon can travel at Mach 9, or about 6,900 mph, which may be too fast for current tactical anti-missile defenses.
But Putin's rhetoric can't change the laws of physics. The problem is that objects traveling at hypersonic speeds — Mach 5 and beyond — ionize the air around them, creating a sheath of plasma around the object that blocks radar signals.
Yet radar is precisely how many guided missiles home in on their targets. Once the missile arrives near a designated point, an active radar seeker in the nose switches on, scans the area, and locks on target. Similar problems affect other high-speed missiles, like China's anti-ship ballistic missiles.
President Vladimir Putin watches a missile launch from a warship during exercises in the Russian Arctic in August 2005.REUTERS/ITAR-TASS/PRESIDENTIAL PRESS SERVICE
"Because the missile's plasma layer precludes the use of active radar and other onboard sensors to track a target vessel in the terminal phase, the missile likely has to slow down to well short of hypersonic speeds in order to track mobile targets," Kaushal wrote.
Against targets that are fixed, like buildings on land, it's not necessary to slow down. But when hunting ships, the Zircon would probably have to slow down to supersonic speed to use its radar. If that's the case, then as it nears the target, the Zircon would not be moving any faster than earlier Russian anti-ship missiles such as the P-800 Oniks, which has a speed of about Mach 2.5, or 1,900 mph.
Supersonic missiles can be intercepted by shipboard defenses such as the US Navy's SeaRAM gun/missile system.
In addition, when the Zircon is launched, a rocket boosts it to high altitude and supersonic speed, which is necessary for the Zircon's scramjet engine to kick in and reach hypersonic velocity. The disadvantage is that unlike supersonic anti-ship missiles that can skim just above the water to avoid radar detection, the Zircon will have to stay at an altitude of about 12 miles until it gets relatively close to the target. Flying higher for longer makes it more visible to radar.
"The missile can either be hypersonic or low observable but not both in tandem," wrote Kaushal.
The Zircon should not be underestimated. A destroyer, for example, might not detect a missile until it gets to within about 15 miles, according to Kaushal. "From this point, assuming the missile is a Zircon flying at speeds of Mach 5–6, the vessel would have 15 seconds to react."
Yet Kaushal is skeptical about Russian claims that the Zircon is really operational.
Russian frigate Admiral Groshkov launches a Zircon hypersonic missile in the White Sea in October 2020.Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP
The weapon was developed remarkably quickly compared to previous Russian missiles. "Furthermore, there appear to be no reported test failures, which is irregular for a new missile, especially one as complex as a hypersonic cruise missile," Kaushal noted.
The Zircon has a reported range of about 621 miles, but this is contingent on the missile being accurately guided toward the target zone: Its on-board radar can only scan a limited area, and even an aircraft carrier is a small object to spot in a big ocean. Russia also has limited maritime surveillance and detection capabilities beyond its coastal waters.
"While not much is known about the navigation system of the Zircon, the risk of plasma blackout would seem to necessitate very precise inertial guidance" as guidance from GPS or from its Russian counterpart, GLONASS, "cannot be reliably assumed," Kaushal told Insider.
Nonetheless, the Zircon may end up giving many Russian warships a hypersonic attack capability. The weapon is about 26 feet to 32 feet long, meaning it is small enough to be fitted onto smaller warships such as Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates and submarines like the Yasen-class boats that worry NATO commanders.
"It is pretty big even by cruise-missile standards," Kaushal told Insider. "That said, most vessels in the Russian fleet are being equipped to carry cruise missiles, so that is definitely a design principle for even the smaller elements of the fleet."
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/putins-invincible-missile-very-common-224700287.html
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Putin's 'invincible' missile has a very common problem
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Michael Peck
Tue, February 21, 2023 at 2:47 PM PST
Russian navy frigate Admiral Gorshkov launches a Zircon hypersonic missile in the Barents Sea in May 2022.Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP
- Putin has touted Russian hypersonic weapons like the Zircon missile as impossible to defend against.
- Zircon in particular is powerful but there are limits on what it can do, a Western expert says.
- Like other high-speed weapons, the Zircon's velocity may come at the expense of its accuracy.
That's the conclusion of a British expert who says that the Zircon is a powerful weapon with major limitations.
"The operational deployment of the Zircon is an important development, but one whose significance should not be exaggerated," according to Sidharth Kaushal, a naval warfare expert at the Royal United Services Institute, a British defense think tank.
President Vladimir Putin has touted Russia's hypersonic weapons as being "invincible." Russian officials claim the 3M22 Zircon can travel at Mach 9, or about 6,900 mph, which may be too fast for current tactical anti-missile defenses.
But Putin's rhetoric can't change the laws of physics. The problem is that objects traveling at hypersonic speeds — Mach 5 and beyond — ionize the air around them, creating a sheath of plasma around the object that blocks radar signals.
Yet radar is precisely how many guided missiles home in on their targets. Once the missile arrives near a designated point, an active radar seeker in the nose switches on, scans the area, and locks on target. Similar problems affect other high-speed missiles, like China's anti-ship ballistic missiles.
President Vladimir Putin watches a missile launch from a warship during exercises in the Russian Arctic in August 2005.REUTERS/ITAR-TASS/PRESIDENTIAL PRESS SERVICE
"Because the missile's plasma layer precludes the use of active radar and other onboard sensors to track a target vessel in the terminal phase, the missile likely has to slow down to well short of hypersonic speeds in order to track mobile targets," Kaushal wrote.
Against targets that are fixed, like buildings on land, it's not necessary to slow down. But when hunting ships, the Zircon would probably have to slow down to supersonic speed to use its radar. If that's the case, then as it nears the target, the Zircon would not be moving any faster than earlier Russian anti-ship missiles such as the P-800 Oniks, which has a speed of about Mach 2.5, or 1,900 mph.
Supersonic missiles can be intercepted by shipboard defenses such as the US Navy's SeaRAM gun/missile system.
In addition, when the Zircon is launched, a rocket boosts it to high altitude and supersonic speed, which is necessary for the Zircon's scramjet engine to kick in and reach hypersonic velocity. The disadvantage is that unlike supersonic anti-ship missiles that can skim just above the water to avoid radar detection, the Zircon will have to stay at an altitude of about 12 miles until it gets relatively close to the target. Flying higher for longer makes it more visible to radar.
"The missile can either be hypersonic or low observable but not both in tandem," wrote Kaushal.
The Zircon should not be underestimated. A destroyer, for example, might not detect a missile until it gets to within about 15 miles, according to Kaushal. "From this point, assuming the missile is a Zircon flying at speeds of Mach 5–6, the vessel would have 15 seconds to react."
Yet Kaushal is skeptical about Russian claims that the Zircon is really operational.
Russian frigate Admiral Groshkov launches a Zircon hypersonic missile in the White Sea in October 2020.Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP
The weapon was developed remarkably quickly compared to previous Russian missiles. "Furthermore, there appear to be no reported test failures, which is irregular for a new missile, especially one as complex as a hypersonic cruise missile," Kaushal noted.
The Zircon has a reported range of about 621 miles, but this is contingent on the missile being accurately guided toward the target zone: Its on-board radar can only scan a limited area, and even an aircraft carrier is a small object to spot in a big ocean. Russia also has limited maritime surveillance and detection capabilities beyond its coastal waters.
"While not much is known about the navigation system of the Zircon, the risk of plasma blackout would seem to necessitate very precise inertial guidance" as guidance from GPS or from its Russian counterpart, GLONASS, "cannot be reliably assumed," Kaushal told Insider.
Nonetheless, the Zircon may end up giving many Russian warships a hypersonic attack capability. The weapon is about 26 feet to 32 feet long, meaning it is small enough to be fitted onto smaller warships such as Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates and submarines like the Yasen-class boats that worry NATO commanders.
"It is pretty big even by cruise-missile standards," Kaushal told Insider. "That said, most vessels in the Russian fleet are being equipped to carry cruise missiles, so that is definitely a design principle for even the smaller elements of the fleet."
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...but isn't the United States guilty of doing the same thing?
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Great ready for the Wammbulance of excuse making Putin-Bois to tell you you’re a sheep consuming biased Western media!
longer range missiles arriving, Biden shows up Putin, Samrat phail, LOL … the trolls are going crawl back under their bridge.
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Excellent post mate.
Unfortunately, most folks in here will claim it as false propaganda. It does not follow their narrative.
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You're most likely spot on. The Libertarian in me detests needless war. There are peace talks to be had and it's the USA stopping it from happening as we pour our treasures to fund death far away. Putin is an asshole, but it seems agreeing to let Donbass be autonomous, Russia pulling out of Ukraine, and Ukraine agreeing NATO is not an option seems pretty damn fair.
Some folks cannot think for themselves or are so far removed from being impacted that they just don't care as long as "their side" benefits.
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Ukraine Conflict Updates
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, February 21, 2023.
Key Takeaways:
Biden Doesn’t Want to Give Ukraine the Fighter Planes (F-16s) Zelensky Is Asking For
. Ukraine F-16s: Why Biden doesn’t want to give Zelensky the fighter planes he’s asking for. (slate.com)
How to prolong this conflict:
"Biden’s concern about sending F-16s is that they would cross a line that Vladimir Putin might regard as a provocation, to which he might respond by escalating the fight. -- This raises two larger questions: Would Putin really regard Ukraine’s mere possession of F-16s as an existential threat? And should we care what Putin thinks?"
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, February 21, 2023.
Key Takeaways:
- Russian President Vladimir Putin’s February 21 address to the Russian Federal Assembly did not articulate specific goals or intentions for the war in Ukraine, instead reinforcing several long-standing rhetorical lines in an effort to buy Putin more space and time for a protracted war.
- Putin announcement of Russia’s suspension of participation in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) captured more attention than the relatively boilerplate content of the rest of the speech.
- US President Joe Biden gave a speech in Warsaw, Poland on February 21 to reaffirm US and NATO support for Ukraine after his trip to Kyiv.
- International journalists reportedly obtained the Kremlin’s classified 2021 strategy document on restoring Russian suzerainty over Belarus through the Union State by 2030.
- Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev and Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Central Committee Central Foreign Affairs Commission Office Director Wang Yi met in Moscow on February 21 on deepening Sino–Russan cooperation.
- Russian forces continued to conduct limited ground attacks northwest of Svatove and near Kreminna. Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted a limited counterattack near Kreminna.
- Russian forces continued making incremental tactical gains in and around Bakhmut, and continued ground attacks near Avdiivka.
- Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces continue to reinforce and build fortifications in rear areas in southern Ukraine.
- US President Joe Biden visited Kyiv on February 20 ahead of the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine signaling continued US commitment to supporting Ukraine in its efforts to liberate its territory.
- Ukrainian officials continue to respond to statements made by unspecified US defense officials on the pace and prospects of the war as it approaches the one-year mark.
- US Secretary of State Antony Blinken stated that the US government is concerned about China’s possible consideration of sending lethal aid to Russia.
- Russian forces continued ground assaults along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
- Russian forces continued offensive operations around Bakhmut as well as in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area and western Donetsk Oblast.
- Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces may be struggling to repair air defense systems deployed in Ukraine.
Biden Doesn’t Want to Give Ukraine the Fighter Planes (F-16s) Zelensky Is Asking For
. Ukraine F-16s: Why Biden doesn’t want to give Zelensky the fighter planes he’s asking for. (slate.com)
How to prolong this conflict:
"Biden’s concern about sending F-16s is that they would cross a line that Vladimir Putin might regard as a provocation, to which he might respond by escalating the fight. -- This raises two larger questions: Would Putin really regard Ukraine’s mere possession of F-16s as an existential threat? And should we care what Putin thinks?"
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Not in Ukraine.
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If Russia is allowed to hold onto Donbas, Putin achieved his goals and won. Why in the world world Ukraine agree to that when they have all the momentum?
Absolute bullshit you are posting here.
Crybaby, there wasn't deal about " NATO not to expand "....
Really you are posting bullshit worth resources, kid.
There was one deal with Gorbachev and this was not when USSR had collapsed !.
This was when Gorbachev due to financial problems decided to withdraw USSR troops from East Germany.
Then U.S promised not to install permanent base in East Germany.
While this was not agreed.... after this US even had reduced their forces number in West Germany.
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Russia does have nuclear weapons stationed in Kaliningrad and St Petersburg oblastj and everyone does knows this reality.
They even had upgraded these bunkers....
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Russia does have strategic level radar in Belarus, always is keeping some forces in Balarus.
Belarus does have SCUD missiles ....
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With so called " bad NATO expansion " had in writing form agreed the same Putin and Medvedev and Yeltsin....
While you are posting pro russian oriented western resources here....
Westerners love money and will post anything if will be properly paid for....
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