Law russell brand allegations

[giusti825]

Good lord. You're too deep into the cult to really be communicated with. Everyone who thinks independently and doesn't just blindly take the word of dictators, celebrities, and sleazy infotainers like Hannity or Greenwald is "retarded."

You are doing mental gymnastics to make the case that this was all coincidence and Russell Brand was not targeted. The letters are out there. The mission statement of the TNI is out there. If you can't see what's going on here, I am trying to spare myself the time of breaking things down to someone with a cognitive impairment.

Lol at putting Hannity next to Greenwald.

Greenwald won the Pulitzer Prize for the most important piece of American investigative journalism so far this century. (Snowden Leaks) He doesn't play red-team blue-team. He shows the way the establishments of both parties collude to stifle the working class and serve the donor class over the working class in matters of surveillance, authoritarianism, economics and war. (Much like Brand)

Hannity is another one of those worn-out red team-blue team partisan hacks on behalf of the red team. He pretends that there is this huge difference between the two major parties to sucker his audience into aligning with one or the other corporately controlled factions.

How can you not distinguish between these two different lenses and presentations of media? They are incredibly dissimilar.

Here are a couple of questions: Do you think child rape is OK as long as the perpetrator has the right political views?

Child rape is obviously never ok. I don't see what that has to do with anything as Russell Brand is not accused of it. He was in a relationship with a 16 year old girl when he was 31 While I find this in the poorest taste possible and something I wouldn't do myself, the girl was of legal age to consent.

If you think the UK is gross for that standard, it is worth noting that 16 is the United States federal age of consent and the age of consent in 34 states. Only 16 states in the US have an age of consent higher, with the least common age being 18. (only 6 states)

While I think it's super creepy, no law was broken and Brand has written about this relationship in his books. This wasn't some new revelation, its been openly stated by Brand himself for over a decade.

Why the sudden attack now as if it were some kind of secret? It's also worth noting that Brand was never accused of rape during the course of that relationship.

If not, do you think it's possible, even in theory, for a CTer to do it?

This question is unclear. Do what exactly?

 

[Loiosh]

Guess who's not covering this: the MSM.

Trudeau calls praise for Nazi-linked veteran 'deeply embarrassing'

Standing ovation for a Ukrainian who fought with the Nazis sparks anger and an apology in Canada

Leader of Canada's House of Commons apologizes for honoring man who fought for Nazis

Canada House speaker apologizes for recognition of veteran who fought for Nazis

Canada is under fire for applauding “literal Nazis” during Zelensky’s visit to Parliament

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

What you call "dredging" is basic corroboration. You guys cry about everything. If they only talked to one woman, you'd complain that there wasn't any fact checking. Now that they have talked to dozens or hundreds of people, its dredging.

They started the investigation a couple years ago, before Brand ever took off in his current pursuit.

lol, didn't know what I posted was considered 'crying'. Get a grip bucko. Some of us here are impartial, dispassionate observers.
I am only relating anecdotal information that I have personal knowledge of. I used to do PI work on the side years ago.
Looking into someone's history for embarrassing transgressions was easy to do then, I assume much easier these days.
I would, however, like you to provide sources on 'they started the investigation years ago' comment.
That would be very illuminating.
But ffs, calm down.

 

[avenue94]

lol, didn't know what I posted was considered 'crying'. Get a grip bucko. Some of us here are impartial, dispassionate observers.
I am only relating anecdotal information that I have personal knowledge of. I used to do PI work on the side years ago.
Looking into someone's history for embarrassing transgressions was easy to do then, I assume much easier these days.
I would, however, like you to provide sources on 'they started the investigation years ago' comment.
That would be very illuminating.
But ffs, calm down.

Calm down? I calmly explained to you that what you moan about is basic sourcing and corroboration in journalism. Looking into someone's history isn't easy, especially when they are very litigious and powerful compared to an average civilian. You also as a PI have a benefit of starting with actual names and people compared to a journalist starting from square 1.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

again with the 'moaning'. I'm neither crying nor am I moaning.
smh, you don't sound calm.
I appreciate your verve and enthusiasm.
Your comment has proven my point.
Many thanks.

 

[giusti825]

Trudeau calls praise for Nazi-linked veteran 'deeply embarrassing'

Standing ovation for a Ukrainian who fought with the Nazis sparks anger and an apology in Canada

Leader of Canada's House of Commons apologizes for honoring man who fought for Nazis

Canada House speaker apologizes for recognition of veteran who fought for Nazis

Canada is under fire for applauding “literal Nazis” during Zelensky’s visit to Parliament

I was incorrect on this. Going to look to see how many televised segments actually covered this in western MSM.

 

[Hog-train]

The incident happens to be in a no man's land where it's almost impossible to charge, even if she had immediately reported it. The stepping up was reporting it, which isn't easy given plenty of sexual assault victims don't want to go to court and simply want to be heard and move on with their lives. But whatever, agree to disagree.

Stop replying to me with the same shit. I already said I need more evidence for the millionth time.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You are doing mental gymnastics to make the case that this was all coincidence and Russell Brand was not targeted.

No mental gymnastics needed to not believe a crazy CT. He got accused of doing some stuff most likely because he did the stuff. It got reported on because it's newsworthy.

Lol at putting Hannity next to Greenwald.

Greenwald won the Pulitzer Prize for the most important piece of American investigative journalism so far this century. (Snowden Leaks) He doesn't play red-team blue-team.

Huh? Of course he does. He supports gov't surveillance (and even dissemination of private emails!) as long as it helps the GOP. Crazy double standards on free speech. Though he supported the Iraq War when it happened, he has corrected himself and condemned it later, but then he cheers on Russia's even worse invasion. Etc. No actual standards as much as just moving with the party.

Child rape is obviously never ok. I don't see what that has to do with anything as Russell Brand is not accused of it. He was in a relationship with a 16 year old girl when he was 31 While I find this in the poorest taste possible and something I wouldn't do myself, the girl was of legal age to consent.

OK, so raping 16 year-olds is OK if you agree with the politics of the raper?

This question is unclear. Do what exactly?

What he's accused of. If you condemn it, which you don't appear to (rape is OK as long as the rapist is on the right "team" and victim is over the age of consent?), is it possible in theory for a CTer to do it?

 

[avenue94]

again with the 'moaning'. I'm neither crying nor am I moaning.
smh, you don't sound calm.
I appreciate your verve and enthusiasm.
Your comment has proven my point.
Many thanks.

Cheers, Mr Super Duper PI Extraordinaire.

It's common practice btw for organizations, news or otherwise, to engage in dredging.
Send out diggers to find dirt on somebody that might help neutralize them somehow for whatever reason.

Enjoy the fever swamps of conspiracy land. Don't forget to donate to poor ol Mr Brand, his mansion's mortgage payment is due soon I imagine.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

oh, please.
go have a drink or something, n00b
cheers, indeed

 

[Andy Capp]

I've kind of run out of things to say on this case, was more active in the thread earlier. I think in the final analysis, at the end of the day, advertisers play to the majority of the populace, which is kind of crappy too since the average person really doesn't have the outlook of letting people live til they get their day. It seems Rumble is trying to make a stand that under their free speech advocacy model they don't want to give in to external pressure and big companies are pressuring them now.

I find it weird, I don't really see much of a risk to youtube for continuing to pay Brand from a reputational standpoint. Folks seemed to disagree saying he is indeed a youtube brand ambassador equivalent to like Jordan for Nike etc. But I can't really get to that place. That's make hundreds and htousand of brand ambassadors to youtube. and weirder yet, those "brand ambassadors" are also usually active on every competing platform they can be. I don't see the association. Also, personally when I see a youtube commercial before a video, I assume it's just being played based on cookies or whatever youtube digs out of my browsing history. If I see a Burger King commercial before a video from anyone I don't assume it's Burger King endorsing the person/content of the video I'm watching etc.

A lot of people aren't that savvy. Many aren't aware Burger King is just paying for a certain number of ad plays and YouTube decides who gets to see them.

Additionally and/or aside from that, to me, that's a huge problem for advertisers but they don't seem inclined to upset the paradigm so that's on them.

 

[giusti825]

No mental gymnastics needed to not believe a crazy CT. He got accused of doing some stuff most likely because he did the stuff. It got reported on because it's newsworthy.

Now I feel like you're playing dumb to avoid answering a question. Do you believe the MSM coordinated hit job on Brand has nothing to do with his political speech? That it had no factor in his targeting?

Your coincidence theories are astounding considering the information that is already openly available.

Huh? Of course he does. He supports gov't surveillance (and even dissemination of private emails!) as long as it helps the GOP. Crazy double standards on free speech. Though he supported the Iraq War when it happened, he has corrected himself and condemned it later, but then he cheers on Russia's even worse invasion. Etc. No actual standards as much as just moving with the party.

Now you are confusing government dissemination of private emails with public dissemination of government emails and leaked emails of public interest.

The government serves the people through the consent of the governed. The people have the right to see and audit government emails to and from official accounts and any account used while a government official is acting or corresponding in an official capacity.

Glenn supports transparency of government and opposes government violations of privacy rights with regards to private, non-government actors.

In fact, opposing government surveillance and making government more transparent are two of his primary causes. You couldn't be more wrong on this, which you would know if you actually read or watched his journalism and content.

If you're referring to the laptop from hell, that was leaked to the media and authenticated pretty quickly; that was not a government invasion of privacy. If you watched Glenn's reporting on the laptop, he never focused on anything related to Hunters private recreational correspondence. He only reported on the bribery and influence peddling the family was engaging in with regards to Ukraine and China, which is not only newsworthy, but criminal aswell. Glenn has openly stated that without the bribery and influence peddling evidence, the laptop would not have been newsworthy and he would have ignored it.

OK, so raping 16 year-olds is OK if you agree with the politics of the raper?

Nope. Just said the opposite. Once again, Brand has not been accused of raping his ex when she was 16.

What he's accused of. If you condemn it, which you don't appear to (rape is OK as long as the rapist is on the right "team" and victim is over the age of consent?), is it possible in theory for a CTer to do it?

I don't have a political team. Team implies alignment can be more important than principles. I align with the interests of poor and working class people against the corporately controlled establishments of both major political parties who have been ignoring the interests of poor and working class people for decades.

I openly condemn a 31 year old being in a sexual relationship with a 16 year old. Is it creepy? Yes.
Is it disgusting? Yes. Is it almost certain to harbor a coercive imbalance of power? Yes.

Is it rape? No. Rape is a quite clearly defined crime, not some amorphous standard. Once again, don't think the UK is unique in this standard. The vast majority of the US has 16 as the legal age of consent. That is wrong and it should be changed. But it is not rape until after legislative bodies legally change it.

 

[Andy Capp]

yes, it's routine because the public is shit, which is what i was saying.

It is written,

You can't fix stupid.

 

[Andy Capp]

Do you believe the MSM coordinated hit job on Brand has nothing to do with his political speech?

What a spectacular example of begging the question.

We're sorry, this logical fallacy is not in service. Please hang up and try your fail again.

Thank you.

 

[giusti825]

What a spectacular example of begging the question.

We're sorry, this logical fallacy is not in service. Please hang up and try your fail again.

Thank you.

Fair enough. I'll simplify the question.

If Brand didn't have a show where he spoke out against establishment interests,. do you believe any of these accusations get discovered and/or get news coverage?

I just want to get people on the record for others to see.

 

[Andy Capp]

Fair enough. I'll simplify the question.

If Brand didn't have a show where he spoke out against establishment interests,. do you believe any of these accusations get discovered and/or get news coverage?

I just want to get people on the record for others to see.

There's no reason to believe they wouldn't be at this time and there's no way to know in any event. It's another useless question. I can't prove a negative so there's no way to prove to you it's not a conspiracy and you're convinced of that. There's nowhere to proceed from there but to go around in a circle.

 

[fingercuffs]

It is written,

You can't fix stupid.

Nor can you fix rape apologists for underage girls.

 

[fingercuffs]

I'd say, having been the only person here to (unless you read them in the last fortnight) to have read his first books, and seen him for years doing and talking about everying he talked about.

I'm gutted. Fucking gutted, but he did it. I'm on the fence with some of it, but he definitely sexually assaulted women.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I'd say, having been the only person here to (unless you read them in the last fortnight) to have read his first books, and seen him for years doing and talking about everying he talked about.

I'm gutted. Fucking gutted, but he did it. I'm on the fence with some of it, but he definitely sexually assaulted women.

Why did you never suspect him?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russell_Brand_Show_prank_calls


The bloke is a fucking scumbag, like! Tell me you didn't hear that phonecall to Andrew Sachs about shagging his granddaughter or whatever, and didn't think "yeah this guy is a fucking sleazy, scummy prick"?

 

[fingercuffs]

Why did you never suspect him?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russell_Brand_Show_prank_calls


The bloke is a fucking scumbag, like! Tell me you didn't hear that phonecall to Andrew Sachs about shagging his granddaughter or whatever, and didn't think "yeah this guy is a fucking sleazy, scummy prick"?

I heard the Sachs call, and thought it was really bad. You thought he was a well decorated rapist then did you? His books were brilliant so I was so drawn in. Do you know his interview with WBC and his stand up? He was fucking funny with everything I just mentioned...no?