Law russell brand allegations

[cincymma79]

^^^ not going to pollute the thread and repeat myself a million times. Waiting for more verified evidence, possible court case details, and can't rely on anonymous claims. Too many cases where anonymous stories have been proven to be false.

You have to remember that you’re talking to an idiot. It’s Cathy Newman.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Very important point.

Ultimately the accusations from the leftists in the media serve only one purpose - To silence Brand & ruin his credibility. Period. They couldn't care less if he had inappropriate relations with a dozen women or none, the result is all that matters.

They - the media - promote the 'YOLO lifestyle.' Endless sex, drugs, and anything that feels good in the moment. They promoted Russel Brand when he lived and promoted that lifestyle.
But when he gets his life together and begins to make anti-establishment commentary for millions of listeners... they launch an investigation talking to hundreds of women he's had relationships with. And they only found four... just four... they can claim he was inappropriate with, four which have their own credibility issues.

This is what it seemed to be from the start, a media hitpiece aiming to discredit brand, and so far its been mostly successful. He's demonitized from YouTube, his live comedy dates have been postponed and likely cancelled, and his talent agency has dropped him.

 

[Sinister]

Lolz^

 

[Jack V Savage]

What on earth does that have to do with radio play? Do you think the existence of record labels is a conspiracy theory?

No, genius. I'm explaining that taste evolving doesn't require a conspiracy. Record labels are trying to predict what will be popular. They don't get to dictate it.

 

[djacobox372]

I don't know if he's guilty or not.

Although if we are going to allow the accusers to remain anonymous (which I am fine with), can we please agree to extend that same courtesy to the accused?

 

[chardog]

Again, you only have this standard for rape. It's a you issue.

There would be no prep work required if those messages were fabricated. Again, you seem dead set on coming up with an elaborate conspiracy that requires the participation of dozens, if not hundreds of people, rathe than the simpler and pretty clear explanation of Russel Brand was a creep.

You're the one tying guilt or cupability to criminal justice outcomes. They are related, but in no ways the same.

Defamation cases don’t work like that, Russell is a celebrity, he cant make a case against the accuser unless that person is of equal celebrity status.

 

[Sinister]

Defamation cases don’t work like that, Russell is a celebrity, he cant make a case against the accuser unless that person is of equal celebrity status.

I don't think that's true. In 2017 a law professor successfully sued a student for defamation after he was falsely accused of rape. Their social status wasnt equal at all

 

[jimbob27]

Very important point.

Ultimately the accusations from the leftists in the media serve only one purpose - To silence Brand & ruin his credibility. Period. They couldn't care less if he had inappropriate relations with a dozen women or none, the result is all that matters.

They - the media - promote the 'YOLO lifestyle.' Endless sex, drugs, and anything that feels good in the moment. They promoted Russel Brand when he lived and promoted that lifestyle.
But when he gets his life together and begins to make anti-establishment commentary for millions of listeners... they launch an investigation talking to hundreds of women he's had relationships with. And they only found four... just four... they can claim he was inappropriate with, four which have their own credibility issues.

This is what it seemed to be from the start, a media hitpiece aiming to discredit brand, and so far its been mostly successful. He's demonitized from YouTube, his live comedy dates have been postponed and likely cancelled, and his talent agency has dropped him.

Since when was The Times part of the "leftist media?" It's literally a newspaper read exclusively by angry old conservatives. The type of people who have always hated brand for being a degenerate junkie sex addict lefty who used to write for the Guardian.

Just because he's recently gotten into conspiracy theories... that doesn't erase who he's been for the last 20 years.

 

[curryjunkie]

Lolz^

That well known " leftist" newspaper....the London times...

 

[curryjunkie]

I don't know if he's guilty or not.

Although if we are going to allow the accusers to remain anonymous (which I am fine with), can we please agree to extend that same courtesy to the accused?

I'd agree with this..

 

[nostradumbass]

No, genius. I'm explaining that taste evolving doesn't require a conspiracy. Record labels are trying to predict what will be popular. They don't get to dictate it.

Cool, so like politically, for example, Donald Trump isn't actually influencing anybody, but rather reflecting the concerns of tens of millions, right?

 

[avenue94]

Very important point.

"Only four women accused him of rape." That's literally the M.O. of most rapists, they have plenty of consensual partners. By that logic, enough days driving sober should cancel out a DUI.

I don't know if he's guilty or not.

Although if we are going to allow the accusers to remain anonymous (which I am fine with), can we please agree to extend that same courtesy to the accused?

I see you haven't thought of how much a chilling effect that would have. Again, this has been standard professional standards in journalism for decades. Brand is free to sue for defamation.

Defamation cases don’t work like that, Russell is a celebrity, he cant make a case against the accuser unless that person is of equal celebrity status.

Lol what law or statute says this? You just pulled it out of your ass.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Since when was The Times part of the "leftist media?" It's literally a newspaper read exclusively by angry old conservatives. The type of people who have always hated brand for being a degenerate junkie sex addict lefty who used to write for the Guardian.

Just because he's recently gotten into conspiracy theories... that doesn't erase who he's been for the last 20 years.

Reality check - In the UK 'conservative' means historically traditional to its country's values, which is protective of its power brokers, which Brand has spoken out about since before he was famous internationally.

And in this case the political hitjob on Russell Brand by The Times was very disingenuous in the news segment having actresses read out the stories of the accusers when the accusers refused to appear in front of cameras.


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That's a leftist tactic not merely meant to convey the claims of the accusers, but to manipulate the subconscience of the viewers.

And yes, if a supposedly conservative news outlet did the same I'd call them out on their bullshit.

 

[avenue94]

Reality check - In the UK 'conservative' means historically traditional to its country's values, which is protective of its power brokers, which Brand has spoken out about since before he was famous internationally.

So are you claiming that the rape center's medical records aligning with rather hard to explain text messages from Brand are fabricated or purely a coincidence? Let me guess, you haven't read the actual reporting on the matter?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

"Only four women accused him of rape." That's literally the M.O. of most rapists, they have plenty of consensual partners. By that logic, enough days driving sober should cancel out a DUI.

Most rapists can't get laid so they have to rape.
Have you seen hundreds of mugshots of convicted rapists? They're lucky to get a girl's phone number.

But in this case, Brand was a millionaire celebrity playboy sexaddict, and its not a surprise that more than just a few of his partners would feel bitter & manipulated after the fact.

Still waiting for more convincing evidence to be publicly presented.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

So are you claiming that the rape center's medical records aligning with rather hard to explain text messages from Brand are fabricated or purely a coincidence? Let me guess, you haven't read the actual reporting on the matter?

So far we've only heard claims from The Times they have medical records & text messages.

Only claims.

Why haven't they presented the medical records and text messages publicly for all to judge?

They went to through so much trouble to arrange actresses to do voiceovers for the accusers stories, when actually posting the medical records & text messages would have been so much more damaging.

 

[avenue94]

Most rapists can't get laid so they have to rape.

Not true. All the research on the matter points to it being a crime of power. The idea that rapists rape people because they aren't getting laid is naive.

Have you seen hundreds of mugshots of convicted rapists? They're lucky to get a girl's phone number.

And Robin Thicke cheated on Paula Patton.

So far we've only heard claims from The Times they have medical records & text messages.

Only claims.

Why haven't they presented the medical records and text messages publicly for all to judge?

Because it's not common to post everything off the bat, especially since it's difficult to remove identifying information and clear the legal hurdles of publishing medical records.

The better question is why would the Times lie about medical records and text messages -- both which are easily disprovable by Brand. Are they on a corporate death wish to get sued or something? Are all the dozens of people who worked on this project just ok with career suicide?

They went to through so much trouble to arrange actresses to do voiceovers for the accusers stories, when actually posting the medical records & text messages would have been so much more damaging.

Again...do you think that the medical records were fabricated or its just a huge coincidence the women went to a rape treatment clinic the same day Brand was apologizing to her after she told him "no means no"?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Cool, so like politically, for example, Donald Trump isn't actually influencing anybody, but rather reflecting the concerns of tens of millions, right?

Reflecting the concerns is kind of a silly way to put it, but I do believe that Republicans existed before Trump ran for office.

 

[jimbob27]

I don't really understand how a guy that wrote huff post articles endorsing Jeremy Corybn to be our next PM is now a darling of the alt-right.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ru...log-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may_b_16892508.html

Is crying about the MSM (ie, the people that made him) really all it takes these days?

 

[Crawler89]

That well known " leftist" newspaper....the London times...

Its owned by rupert murdoch. such a leftest icon.

Fuck people are beyond it.