Law russell brand allegations

I've read about the story, but not every article. As a genius I'm always willing to accept and analyze new evidence.

Here's the issue with this story.

"One woman alleges that Brand raped her against a wall in his Los Angeles home. She was treated at a rape crisis centre on the same day, according to medical records. Text messages show that in the hours after leaving his house, she told Brand that she had been scared by him and felt taken advantage of, adding: “When a girl say NO it means no.” Brand replied saying he was “very sorry".

Here's my issue. First, these are not text messages, they are words printed in an article on the internet, alleging the texts exist. I would like to see the evidence she actually went to a rape crisis center. I would like to see the actual texts before believing these claims.

So he raped her, she went to a rape crisis center, didn't tell anyone, and then texted him "No means no". Why are you texting someone who just raped you? I won't say it's impossible, but the story sounds dubious. I would like to see these facts presented and proven in court.

Until then, nothing has really been proven. I'll withhold judgment until more information is presented
So you think the text messages are fabricated? As well as the medical records? It's not unheard of for victims to contact their abuser or assailant. It happens all the time in situations with power disparities, whether between a rich celebrity and a civilian or family members.

Odd that a genius doesn't start with the original source when assessing a story's validity.

Again, if these texts are fabricated, Brand has an easy multimillion dollar payday on his hands. Why hasn't he sued?
 
I'd be more surprised if the greasy, sex-addicted, drug-addled buffoon didn't rape somebody at some point during his run in the spotlight.

Seems like quite a coordinated attack at a guy barely relevant but if the facts and evidence are there, fuck him.



Yeah. Dodgy fucker for me. Always has been. It's weird though his career trajectory. When I lived in China around 2014 this absolute wanker of a bloke I was forced to stay with ( admitted Communist. Typical Commie. White Brit who blamed every shortcoming he had, and there were MANY. on the tories. Despite the fact most of his life was spent under a Labour government taking us to war in Iraq. )

He LOVED Brands podcasts. When he was criticising the "enemy". As soon as the criticism switched to "his side" he bounced.

In all fairness though the guy was clearly mentally ill. Clearly. Like most hard lefties
 
So you think the text messages are fabricated? As well as the medical records? It's not unheard of for victims to contact their abuser or assailant. It happens all the time in situations with power disparities, whether between a rich celebrity and a civilian or family members.

Odd that a genius doesn't start with the original source when assessing a story's validity.

Again, if these texts are fabricated, Brand has an easy multimillion dollar payday on his hands. Why hasn't he sued?

I'm just stating that we should wait for the evidence to come out, as taking the information printed in an article at face value could be misleading. Is it possible the text messages are fabricated, or that they don't actually even exist? Yes, it's possible. It's also possible they are real and do exist. My point is, words in an article isn't proof. They also don't specify who saw the text messages or if they were just part of the allegations, it's not very clear. Are they trying to say that they saw the text messages? Again, it's unclear. If so, show them in my opinion.

I'm sure Brand is preparing his defense at the moment; I'm very interested to see what they can prove in court.
 
Don't don't become gay because you were molested you weird cunt
Cool, thanks for the poorly punctuated nothing response. Why do you even exist? You're dumb, you can't write can't think, nobody knows who you are, what is the point of you? That's a real question.
 
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They also don't specify who saw the text messages or if they were just part of the allegations, it's not very clear. Are they trying to say that they saw the text messages? Again, it's unclear. If so, show them in my opinion.
They were given the text messages, along with time stamps, and verified that they were from Brand's number. They were also given medical records. Text messages are never really shown as actual screenshots in reporting, they are just done via a graphic and quotes, like in this case.

I love how you're still going on that we don't have evidence or proof despite multiple people with allegations as well as documentary evidence. Do you also question whether a bank robbery actually happened whenever a news outlet reports one? Or is the skepticism only reserved for sexual assault and rape.
I'm sure Brand is preparing his defense at the moment; I'm very interested to see what they can prove in court.
Brand has had almost 2 weeks to sue, and he hasn't. If the text messages were fabricated, all he had to do was file a lawsuit, and the burden would be on the Times to prove that the messages are real. He hasn't done that, nor has he denied that the messages exist.

Again, who do you think was tricked or is pulling a hoax here. Do you think the Times' legal counsel signed off on this but didn't know the messages were fabricated?
 
I always take the perspective that having zero personal knowledge of any situations between two people when it comes to violence or abuse, that my opinion is largely speculative.

But the allegations and evidence showing at the very least immoral behaviour, whether or not that crosses into illegality, suggest a likelihood of the broader accusations being true.

Wouldn't bet my life on it but certainly would bet my wallet.
 
They were given the text messages, along with time stamps, and verified that they were from Brand's number. They were also given medical records. Text messages are never really shown as actual screenshots in reporting, they are just done via a graphic and quotes, like in this case.

I love how you're still going on that we don't have evidence or proof despite multiple people with allegations as well as documentary evidence. Do you also question whether a bank robbery actually happened whenever a news outlet reports one? Or is the skepticism only reserved for sexual assault and rape.

Brand has had almost 2 weeks to sue, and he hasn't. If the text messages were fabricated, all he had to do was file a lawsuit, and the burden would be on the Times to prove that the messages are real. He hasn't done that, nor has he denied that the messages exist.

Again, who do you think was tricked or is pulling a hoax here. Do you think the Times' legal counsel signed off on this but didn't know the messages were fabricated?

I'll admit that this doesn't look good for Brand... I didn't want to believe it. I'll admit I was bias in my judgement. Ill have to reconsider my stance.
 
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I'll admit that this doesn't look good for Brand... I didn't want to believe it. I'll admit my I was bias in my judgement. Ill have to reconsider my stance.
Fair enough. I'm not saying toss him in jail yet, but we're clearly past the where there is smoke there's fire threshold. The evidence was strong enough that multiple reporters and editors put their names on it knowing if they got it wrong it would be career suicide, as did the executives of a Tory-leaning paper, and at least one of its legal counsels. With each additional layer of employee that signed off on the story, it's increasingly doubtful that the evidence was fabricated.
 
Fair enough. I'm not saying toss him in jail yet, but we're clearly past the where there is smoke there's fire threshold. The evidence was strong enough that multiple reporters and editors put their names on it knowing if they got it wrong it would be career suicide, as did the executives of a Tory-leaning paper, and at least one of its legal counsels. With each additional layer of employee that signed off on the story, it's increasingly doubtful that the evidence was fabricated.

I've been a fan of Brand and his YouTube channel for a while. I knew about some of his issues, but I didn't want to believe this could be true. The evidence feels strong after reading the entirety of the article. This is very unfortunate.
 
How do you get 4 women to fabricate allegations and by extension agree to get sued for millions of pounds?

I thought all the women had maintained anonymity? Or have they released the details now ?
 
I've been a fan of Brand and his YouTube channel for a while. I knew about some of his issues, but I didn't want to believe this could be true. The evidence feels strong after reading the entirety of the article. This is very unfortunate.
A bit strange for all these allegations to appear all at once.
 
I've been a fan of Brand and his YouTube channel for a while. I knew about some of his issues, but I didn't want to believe this could be true. The evidence feels strong after reading the entirety of the article. This is very unfortunate.
Like I told someone else in this thread, there's a lot of unhealthy parasocial relationships on display. People think because they have watched every episode or movie someone is in that they know someone's character or that their public persona is who they are, when the reality is someone like Brand is a complete stranger. It is what it is, everyone has their blind spots or people they like.
 
A bit strange for all these allegations to appear all at once.

Well they're being revealed all at once due to nature of the investigation. The investigation is now over and thus the information is being presented as a whole, including all of the allegations.

I don't want to believe it, but I'm afraid it's not looking good.
 
Well they're being revealed all at once due to nature of the investigation. The investigation is now over and thus the information is being presented as a whole, including all of the allegations.

I don't want to believe it, but I'm afraid it's not looking good.
You'll see more stuff come out, that's how these investigations work. People feel more comfortable telling their story once someone has already started the conversation. Not to mention you might see BBC have to hand over its HR records for Brand, things like that. It seems pretty clear there were executives and managers enabling, if not outright covering up his behavior. So it's just a question of how involved were they at this point.
 
Like I told someone else in this thread, there's a lot of unhealthy parasocial relationships on display. People think because they have watched every episode or movie someone is in that they know someone's character or that their public persona is who they are, when the reality is someone like Brand is a complete stranger. It is what it is, everyone has their blind spots or people they like.

I found him to be witty, intelligent, and one of the few voices I could relate to on an intellectual level. It just goes to show, if the information is true, you never truly know the deeper layers of what a person can hide. It may be ourselves where what we show is only some persona that we constantly use to hide who we are.
 
Well they're being revealed all at once due to nature of the investigation. The investigation is now over and thus the information is being presented as a whole, including all of the allegations.

I don't want to believe it, but I'm afraid it's not looking good.
While they are ignoring the case of jeffrey epstein..

"including all of the allegations"
While they are allegations for now.
 
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