Crime Ross Ulbricht Pardoned

[Rational Poster]

I think you just live to bitch honestly

I'm glad pointing out this inconsistency has upset you.

 

[Eusung]

Interesting thread, in that sherdog rightwingers here seem upset by this news. Seems like they are the only rightwingers or libertarians who don't approve - everywhere else on social media rightwingers and libertarians are celebrating this, including Dave Smith.

 

[cincymma79]

I'm glad pointing out this inconsistency has upset you.

One throws tired around people and lights them up and the other whacks off in his basement. This was a campaign promise. You bitched about him not doing it yesterday and now today you’re and he did. Check your plug. I think it’s too big.

 

[Rational Poster]

One throws tired around people and lights them up and the other whacks off in his basement. This was a campaign promise. You bitched about him not doing it yesterday and now today you’re and he did. Check your plug. I think it’s too big.

I mean, multiple people died due to drug sales on his site, which he profited off of. That's why the whole thing got busted. He laundered money for the cartels and other international criminal orgs too. Plus hitmen and human traffickers used the site.

So being an international drug trafficker and money launderer for criminal organizations is just fine as long as it was a campaign promise? lmao.

 

[Andy Capp]

Potentially, yes. I do understand where you are coming from but I personally do not see the merit in many of these drugs "safe" or otherwise being easily accessible.

I think the word you're both looking for is unadulterated.

 

[Andy Capp]

Wait, I thought drug dealers were supposed to get the death penalty in Trumpland. This seems like the exact opposite of that.

But the cultists will continue marching in lock step regardless.

But he's also guilty of financial crimes so he's a perfect fit for MAGA and gets a pass.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I find this particular move more of a distraction, but I know it means a lot to the bitcoin techno libertarian boys, so it probably made them loyal to Trump for life.
Otherwise, this case seemed a little sketch, and even if not the sentence was extreme. Rapists (like POTUS) don't get Life + 40 years.

 

[Cid]

I mean, multiple people died due to drug sales on his site, which he profited off of. That's why the whole thing got busted. He laundered money for the cartels and other international criminal orgs too. Plus hitmen and human traffickers used the site.

So being an international drug trafficker and money launderer for criminal organizations is just fine as long as it was a campaign promise? lmao.

Thousands of people didn't die because the product wasn't cut to shit with god knows what all the time. God knows how many people weren't brutally murdered because it massively decreased human interaction in the violent black market you seem so fond of.

Prohibition kills tens if not hundreds of thousands of people through laced products and inherit violence each year.

Selling drugs over a website with reviews and having unwitting post men deliver drugs... it was safer. Substantially safer.


Essentially you're arguing with people who aren't fond of a system where people in Mexico are given adrenaline so that they don't pass out while their face is cut off their skull.

And somewhere in between the horrible system with it's insane amount of unnecessary suffering that people like you make us endure and a better, well thought out system to reduce the harm drugs pose to our society... Was a website that provided safer drugs in a safer way.

Also:
The site's terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items. When the Silk Road marketplace first began, the creator and administrators instituted terms of service that prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to "harm or defraud."This included child pornography, stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of any type; other darknet markets such as Black Market Reloaded gained user notoriety because they were not as restrictive on these items as the Silk Road incarnations were. There were also legal goods and services for sale, such as apparel, art, books, cigarettes, erotica, jewellery, and writing services. A sister site, called "The Armoury," sold weapons (primarily firearms) during 2012, but was shut down, due to a lack of demand.

 

[Natural Order]

Fucking A are you stupid. What is a "drug lord???"

Holy shit guy, go take a nap.

You're in the running for dumbest poster of 2025.

 

[Rational Poster]

Thousands of people didn't die because the product wasn't cut to shit with god knows what all the time. God knows how many people weren't brutally murdered because it massively decreased human interaction in the violent black market you seem so fond of.

Prohibition kills tens if not hundreds of thousands of people through laced products and inherit violence each year.

Selling drugs over a website with reviews and having unwitting post men deliver drugs... it was safer. Substantially safer.


Essentially you're arguing with people who aren't fond of a system where people in Mexico are given adrenaline so that they don't pass out while their face is cut off their skull.

And somewhere in between the horrible system with it's insane amount of unnecessary suffering that people like you make us endure and a better, well thought out system to reduce the harm drugs pose to our society... Was a website that provided safer drugs in a safer way.

Also:
The site's terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items. When the Silk Road marketplace first began, the creator and administrators instituted terms of service that prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to "harm or defraud."This included child pornography, stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of any type; other darknet markets such as Black Market Reloaded gained user notoriety because they were not as restrictive on these items as the Silk Road incarnations were. There were also legal goods and services for sale, such as apparel, art, books, cigarettes, erotica, jewellery, and writing services. A sister site, called "The Armoury," sold weapons (primarily firearms) during 2012, but was shut down, due to a lack of demand.

Not really sure what you're on about or accusing me of, just because the greater drug market is worse, doesn't mean the silk market didn't get people killed. It was also much easier to police than a decentralized international criminal cartel.

It was used to launder money for the same international cartels.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Bro literally was a dark web money launderer and salesman for international drug cartels.

- Trump is all about law and order!

 

[White Whale]

He is telling many libertarians to pull their head out of their asses and take the victory.

 

[Cid]

Not really sure what you're on about or accusing me of, just because the greater drug market is worse, doesn't mean the silk market didn't get people killed.

It was used to launder money for the same international cartels.

Silk road market didn't get people killed at all.

People die from drug use because people like to do drugs. Drug use gets people killed.

Saying that a system of drug distribution that was substantially safer than the alternative got those people killed is straight out bullshit. Whatever system we create to deal with drugs will result in deaths.

"Oh people still died doing drugs therefore you are responsible for those deaths" C'mon man.

People died because his substantially safer system wasn't perfect is an absurd standard for mining processes let alone drug use.

Also
Deutsche bank was fined $186 million for laundering money.
Silk Road generated $183 million dollars in sales in the time it was active.

Saying that he should be incarcerated for cartel drug money laundering when his website did less sales than real money launderers face in fines for laundering money is straight bullshit too.

You're selling a bunch of bullshit.


Whether he actually had people killed for money. That's the issue. Otherwise good pardon.

 

[Rational Poster]

Silk road market didn't get people killed at all.

People die from drug use because people like to do drugs. Drug use gets people killed.

Saying that a system of drug distribution that was substantially safer than the alternative got those people killed is straight out bullshit. Whatever system we create to deal with drugs will result in deaths.

"Oh people still died doing drugs therefore you are responsible for those deaths" C'mon man.

People died because his substantially safer system wasn't perfect is an absurd standard for mining processes let alone drug use.

Also
Deutsche bank was fined $186 million for laundering money.
Silk Road generated $183 million dollars in sales in the time it was active.

Saying that he should be incarcerated for cartel drug money laundering when his website did less sales than real money launderers face in fines for laundering money is straight bullshit too.

You're selling a bunch of bullshit.


Whether he actually had people killed for money. That's the issue. Otherwise good pardon.

I mean, that's literally how the site unraveled, drug over dose deaths were linked to sales on silk road. Just because other crimes exist doesn't mean Silk Road didn't do crimes as well.

Also, just reading into your claim, you're wrong. Deutsch bank wasn't fined for laundering money, they were fined for not improving their compliance with regulations to prevent and police money laundering.

TD Bank was the bank the plead out for money laundering and their restitution was $1.8B.

You're also wrong or lying about Silk Road's revenue.


"The complaint published when Ulbricht was arrested included information the FBI gained from a system image of the Silk Road server collected on 23 July 2013. It noted that, "From February 6, 2011 to July 23, 2013 there were approximately 1,229,465 transactions completed on the site. The total revenue generated from these sales was 9,519,664 Bitcoins, and the total commissions collected by Silk Road from the sales amounted to 614,305 Bitcoins. According to the government, total sales were equivalent to roughly $1.2 billion and involved 146,946 buyers and 3,877 vendors"

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Who?

 

[Cid]

I mean, that's literally how the site unraveled, drug over dose deaths were linked to sales on silk road. Just because other crimes exist doesn't mean Silk Road didn't do crimes as well.

No shit drug over dose deaths happened. It was a site that sold drugs. Are you for banning guns and incarcerating gun manufacturers because their product results in deaths? Car manufacturers?

Alcohol over dose deaths happen. You can drink yourself to death.

Nobody was thrown in jail when Bon Scott died because nobody killed Bon Scott.


Just like nobody died because a guy made a system that wasn't perfect. People died from drug use because people die from drug use. Throwing a guy who went rogue to drastically decreased the amount of people who die from this activity and make some bank along the way is insane.

It's like throwing the inventor of the car air bag in jail because people have died in minor collisions from airbags.


If you did this in any other aspect of society this would be studied. Because it's drugs he goes to jail for life?

That's fucked up. The guy went rogue because he thought an obviously bullshit system was bullshit.

Considering how absurdly destructive our policy is fuck it. Good on the man.

 

[Rational Poster]

No shit drug over dose deaths happened. It was a site that sold drugs. Are you for banning guns and incarcerating gun manufacturers because their product results in deaths? Car manufacturers?

Alcohol over dose deaths happen. You can drink yourself to death.

Nobody was thrown in jail when Bon Scott died because nobody killed Bon Scott.


Just like nobody died because a guy made a system that wasn't perfect. People died from drug use because people die from drug use. Throwing a guy who went rogue to drastically decreased the amount of people who die from this activity and make some bank along the way is insane.

It's like throwing the inventor of the car air bag in jail because people have died in minor collisions from airbags.


If you did this in any other aspect of society this would be studied. Because it's drugs he goes to jail for life?

That's fucked up. The guy went rogue because he thought an obviously bullshit system was bullshit.

Considering how absurdly destructive our policy is fuck it. Good on the man.

I mean, he wasn't charged for killing the people, I'm just pointing out that the whole reason it got busted was because it was linked to deaths.

The indictment is public record and posted in the thread already.

 

[Cajun]

Any conservative peeps agree with this? I was surprised Rand Paul agreed. The mafia doesn't get 2 life plus 40 but don't really understand this

 

[Cid]

I mean, he wasn't charged for killing the people, I'm just pointing out that the whole reason it got busted was because it was linked to deaths.

The indictment is public record and posted in the thread already.

Yeah. I get.

The whole thing is DPR created a system that was very arguable better and safer. Which isn't really that difficult given how poorly drug prohibition has worked.

As a society we don't throw people in jail because a product they've sold has resulted in death. There's a whole process involved because thousands of items that we use all the time can result in death. Negligence, culpability etc.


My main annoyance though is a conservative president pardoned the guy who sold drugs online.

Dunking on Trump in this instance is just grossly irresponsible. Whether or not his heart was in the right place or whether he even knew what he was doing or who DPR was.... I think that's irrelevant.

America has a massive drug problem and the party that has been advocating more of the same just released DPR.

Lefties should take the win and try to get more, not dunk on him. Talking about drugs with real solutions not involving mass incarceration is not typically a Republican position.

 

[Sara]

Everybody gets hung up on the drugs aspect. It's more the 2 contracted killings he commissioned that's the deal. Drugs should be easily obtained by willing of age users in the manner in which ensures maximum safety.

Fuck that anyone involved in anyway with the dark web is or has abated CP and s