Rose won’t be appreciated until she’s gone. She’s my all time greatest in WMMA.

Or Nunez herself?

Or Cyborg (unless you disqualify her for PEDs)?

It’s just absurd.
Or Joanna?


who has more wins than rose, Less losses than rose and more consecutive title fight wins than rose has ever had in any streak. rose is somewhere hovering around with andrade and esparza
 
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She got kicked in the body, that's her weak spot just like Cerrone or DC. Erin hit her with a good body kick in the 3rd round which caused Rose to lose her composure and start panic wrestling.
her body seems very soft all round it's like she's just a skinny fat boxer with no muscle.

She needs to to a serious strength training regime she's the right size for flyweight but she probably never lifts waits or cross trains
 
Ugh. Erin Blancfield is godawful to watch and should never be in 5 round main/co-main event again. If this was a 3 rounder, like it should have been, it would have been a 29-28 win for Rose, but Rose kind of sucks now so it doesn't really matter anyway. Why was this 5 rounds? Was it supposed to be a main event but got demoted to co-main in favor of Moreno, but they kept it at 5 rounds anyway? I hope this shitty sparring match forces the UFC to make a decision and never have any fights outside of main events go 5 rounds. In fact, only championship fights should be 5 rounds. The main event didn't really need 2 extra rounds either to be honest.

But Erin...I don't get the appeal whatsoever with some of you WMMA freaks. She just looks so amateurish and low level, even in winning. I'm trying to think of a male fighter to compare her to but I can't think of anyone who looks that bad striking. Even on the ground her strikes had nothing on them.

Rose should absolutely retire. Her career has been horribly mismanaged.
Well, you assume Erin Blanchfield was bad, and thus Rose sucked. I disagree. You have your own perception of boring fight, maybe you like to see only fights that finish in that flash KO. Many men fights can be "boring" if analysed under those lens.

Actually, it was far from boring. It was the first time Blanchfield felt confident enough not to shoot takedowns much until the third round, relying mainly on her strike... Facing one of the best female UFC strikers... So to actually force Rose to initiate the grappling due to increasing the pressure, landing good shots, and using those moments Rose needed that as her favor since she still excels on the ground speaks a lot.

She was getting outclassed in the first two rounds, but she also landed good combinations in those two rounds she lost. She didn't panick... The fact it was a 5 round fighter and the most inexperience fighter who has been in only one 5 rounds actually is a merit to her --- using the mid-late portion of the round to turn in the pressure, but this time with strikes (again, putting Rose in unfouvarable situations even relying initially on striking) and then turning the pressure real by applying effective takedowns that Rose just couldn't get up from.

Granted she didn't do much damage, but she was already landing good shots towards the end of the third round in the ground and pound and when the bell rung, she was already next for another takedown.

And in the final round, she didn't diminish the pressure, while Rose was already looking fatigued from the difference in striking power (I assume ) and very smart timed takedowns, making Rose worry both about standing with Blanchfield, and knowing she doesn't have a comfort zone by grappling since that's the enemy's main tool.

After a loss vs Manon in which Erin didn't manage to get a single takedown and was always at a disadvantage in exchanges, to not get affected by it in her next performance and actually improve her striking that, although still not as good as Rose's, was improved and good enough that made Rose look for the clinch instead, making it increasingly more uncomfortable for Rose.

What you see as a boring, non-worthy match, I see as a huge mental strength from Erin to rebound from the loss, pressure with strike alone one of the best strikers, and timing the takedowns so it wouldn't be predictable, as she was also increasingly doing better standing. She is a real talent there, some ppl like you just have it seems the huge craving to jump on the current bandwagon that WMMA sucks so even in good victories against very good, more experienced and dangerous opponents, there will be always a factor to just take the moment off by jumping on the bandwagon. She wasn't striking against a nobody. She had moments she was better than Rose in striking alone, forcing Rose to fight where she wouldn't like to.

And as Erin acknowledged, the emotion came because it was a really tough fight, because Rose is a top level opponent. Many fights she does lose, she doesn't get dominated at all --- they're mainly fights lacking too much activity and split decisions, competitive ones where Rose had her moments and unfortunate ones in which she was dominating and was slammed...

Much like vs Fiorot, her fight vs Blanchfield is in the category of Rose doing well, but her opponent managing to edge her out... Far from an inactive fight where both fighters were avoiding the fight --- if you think so, you may need to rewatch the fight.
 
Well, you assume Erin Blanchfield was bad, and thus Rose sucked. I disagree. You have your own perception of boring fight, maybe you like to see only fights that finish in that flash KO. Many men fights can be "boring" if analysed under those lens.

Actually, it was far from boring. It was the first time Blanchfield felt confident enough not to shoot takedowns much until the third round, relying mainly on her strike... Facing one of the best female UFC strikers... So to actually force Rose to initiate the grappling due to increasing the pressure, landing good shots, and using those moments Rose needed that as her favor since she still excels on the ground speaks a lot.

She was getting outclassed in the first two rounds, but she also landed good combinations in those two rounds she lost. She didn't panick... The fact it was a 5 round fighter and the most inexperience fighter who has been in only one 5 rounds actually is a merit to her --- using the mid-late portion of the round to turn in the pressure, but this time with strikes (again, putting Rose in unfouvarable situations even relying initially on striking) and then turning the pressure real by applying effective takedowns that Rose just couldn't get up from.

Granted she didn't do much damage, but she was already landing good shots towards the end of the third round in the ground and pound and when the bell rung, she was already next for another takedown.

And in the final round, she didn't diminish the pressure, while Rose was already looking fatigued from the difference in striking power (I assume ) and very smart timed takedowns, making Rose worry both about standing with Blanchfield, and knowing she doesn't have a comfort zone by grappling since that's the enemy's main tool.

After a loss vs Manon in which Erin didn't manage to get a single takedown and was always at a disadvantage in exchanges, to not get affected by it in her next performance and actually improve her striking that, although still not as good as Rose's, was improved and good enough that made Rose look for the clinch instead, making it increasingly more uncomfortable for Rose.

What you see as a boring, non-worthy match, I see as a huge mental strength from Erin to rebound from the loss, pressure with strike alone one of the best strikers, and timing the takedowns so it wouldn't be predictable, as she was also increasingly doing better standing. She is a real talent there, some ppl like you just have it seems the huge craving to jump on the current bandwagon that WMMA sucks so even in good victories against very good, more experienced and dangerous opponents, there will be always a factor to just take the moment off by jumping on the bandwagon. She wasn't striking against a nobody. She had moments she was better than Rose in striking alone, forcing Rose to fight where she wouldn't like to.

And as Erin acknowledged, the emotion came because it was a really tough fight, because Rose is a top level opponent. Many fights she does lose, she doesn't get dominated at all --- they're mainly fights lacking too much activity and split decisions, competitive ones where Rose had her moments and unfortunate ones in which she was dominating and was slammed...

Much like vs Fiorot, her fight vs Blanchfield is in the category of Rose doing well, but her opponent managing to edge her out... Far from an inactive fight where both fighters were avoiding the fight --- if you think so, you may need to rewatch the fight.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not reading that fan fiction novel.
 
JJ just became more fragile over time, her style was to get in the pocket and be willing to eat one to give two or more back, but she never lost confidence in her ability to throw with power or got mentally shook. In hindsight her performance against Rose in the rematch is really impressive, she got her ass beat badly and then stormed back late in the fight despite that.

Even after Rose blitzed her to win the title we always saw shades of what happened in Rose/Carla 1 (broke mentally grappling) or Rose/Karolina (broke mentally in the clinch) or Rose/Jessica 1+2 (broke from pressure) or Zhang 2 (turned into a lay n' pray grappler in rounds 4+5). In the JJ rematch she put it on Rose for half the fight and when that didn't get her out of there she tried to fight safe and just got her legs kicked to shit and backed-up the rest of the fight.

It doesn't matter how much success Rose has, once things start going wrong for her she completely changes mentally, and it's only gotten worse and worse over time (I'm sure leaving Trevor for Pat Barry's elite coaching/training didn't help).
Excellent analysis. Agreed.
 
her body seems very soft all round it's like she's just a skinny fat boxer with no muscle.

She needs to to a serious strength training regime she's the right size for flyweight but she probably never lifts waits or cross trains

I think some fighters just have weak bodies for whatever reason and Rose is unfortunately one of them. I first noticed it in the Karolina fight where she looked like she didn't want to be there after getting clinched and kneed a few times, and she was just about dead after Joanna clinch abused her at the end of the 3rd round in the rematch.

But yeah, some situps and a few coconuts & medicine balls to the abs won't hurt.
 
But Erin...I don't get the appeal whatsoever with some of you WMMA freaks. She just looks so amateurish and low level, even in winning. I'm trying to think of a male fighter to compare her to but I can't think of anyone who looks that bad striking. Even on the ground her strikes had nothing on them.

Three things

1)I think you haver recenceny bias. For some reason Sherbums forget every other fight someone has in their career. And just judge them for their most recent fight. Some of us remember that Blacnhfield was on 3 fight finishing streak where she dominated her opponents.

Khabib had ugly looking striking but it was effective. DDP has ugly striking but it was effective. Guys like Colby, Kamaru had ugly striiking for majority of the career but they cleaned it up as progressed in their career.


2)Here's the thing I think you and others have a hard time knowing the difference from somehting that's pretty and something that is effective. Alotof guys have this mental block or just poor eye for these things.

For her style it just needs to good enough to set up her takes downs. Just the threat of her takedowns will make her striking more effective.

Erin completely outstruck Andrade in their fight. She was landing clean bombs on her. Her jab was whipping Santos's head back. She overwhelmed Rose with her pressure and made it shoot.

3) Also I think you are flat out ignoring the other aspects of game.

She had made a name for herself on the grappling circuit long before she joined the UFC. She won the Eddie Bravo Invitional at 18. We have seen how elite fighters have nothing for her on the ground.

There is also her cardio and her pressure. She doesn't seem to get tired and even gets stronger as the fight progresses. That major weapon in MMA. And she's only 25 at least 3-5 years from her prime
 
Three things

1)I think you haver recenceny bias. For some reason Sherbums forget every other fight someone has in their career. And just judge them for their most recent fight. Some of us remember that Blacnhfield was on 3 fight finishing streak where she dominated her opponents.

Khabib had ugly looking striking but it was effective. DDP has ugly striking but it was effective. Guys like Colby, Kamaru had ugly striiking for majority of the career but they cleaned it up as progressed in their career.


2)Here's the thing I think you and others have a hard time knowing the difference from somehting that's pretty and something that is effective. Alotof guys have this mental block or just poor eye for these things.

For her style it just needs to good enough to set up her takes downs. Just the threat of her takedowns will make her striking more effective.

Erin completely outstruck Andrade in their fight. She was landing clean bombs on her. Her jab was whipping Santos's head back. She overwhelmed Rose with her pressure and made it shoot.

3) Also I think you are flat out ignoring the other aspects of game.

She had made a name for herself on the grappling circuit long before she joined the UFC. She won the Eddie Bravo Invitional at 18. We have seen how elite fighters have nothing for her on the ground.

There is also her cardio and her pressure. She doesn't seem to get tired and even gets stronger as the fight progresses. That major weapon in MMA. And she's only 25 at least 3-5 years from her prime

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Dude...you are investing way too much time into this, it's kind of sad. Bad striking is bad striking, period. Recency bias? Her last 3 fights were all equally terrible to watch. She has one highlight (Andrade, who was in the middle of a 3 or 4 fight skid, that you estrogen filled W125 fans will forever hang your hat on) and all her other finishes were against bums/amateurs. Just stop the gaslighting already. Some of us like to watch skilled fighters, not girl grapplers with entry level striking. If it was comically bad, like Juliana Pena's, then it would at least be entertaining to watch like Fight Circus. But Erin doesn't have any entertainment value whatsoever. She's just...blah. She'll be even more boring when she's 30, just like Valentina and Nunes, who basically stopped trying to finish their opponents.
 
Probably Megumi Fuji, Nunes, or Cyborg. Vals close enough with defenses that she'd be the goat if they gave her the nod in the second fight with Nunes.
 
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Dude...you are investing way too much time into this, it's kind of sad.

What are you talking about? The whole point of this fourm is talk about fights. Am I not supposed to have discussion on a discussion fourm???

Make it make sense

Why would you even comment on the thread if you didn’t expect people to talk about the fighters?

You made a comment about not understanding something l. So I explained it to you. How is that hard to understand???
 
Her footwork and movement is something we almost never see in WMMA, I agree it's actually a beautiful thing to watch, however the rest of her game is terribly incomplete.
 
What are you talking about? The whole point of this fourm is talk about fights. Am I not supposed to have discussion on a discussion fourm???

Make it make sense

Why would you even comment on the thread if you didn’t expect people to talk about the fighters?

You made a comment about not understanding something l. So I explained it to you. How is that hard to understand???

I'm talking about the actual subject matter that you're consuming your time (and mine) with, not fight discussions in general. It seems like you and that other guy Luffy or whatever his name are very focused on spamming specific woman fighters regardless of how low level and/or boring it is. And then when someone has a different opinion than you, or just stating facts, you try to force your opinion down their throats. If you're trying to be funny or ironic it's not working.
 
I'm talking about the actual subject matter that you're consuming your time (and mine) with, not fight discussions in general.
If you don’t like the subject matter why would you even comment on the thread?

It seems like you and that other guy Luffy or whatever his name are very focused on spamming specific woman fighters regardless of how low level and/or boring it is.

It’s really that hard to wrap your mind around the idea of people being interested in something g you aren’t.


You are the one dealing to post in these threads. If you are not interested just ignore them. There other threads


And then when someone has a different opinion than you, or just stating facts, you try to force your opinion down their throats. If you're trying to be funny or ironic it's not working.

I never force you do anything. I just pointed out facts to you. I was having discussion.

When you posted on this thread did you expect no one to respond to you?
 
If you don’t like the subject matter why would you even comment on the thread?



It’s really that hard to wrap your mind around the idea of people being interested in something g you aren’t.


You are the one dealing to post in these threads. If you are not interested just ignore them. There other threads




I never force you do anything. I just pointed out facts to you. I was having discussion.

When you posted on this thread did you expect no one to respond to you?

The thread is about Rose, and I was commenting how bad that fight (and her opponent) was, dumbass. So I guess it's okay for you to be part of this discussion but not someone with a differing opinion?

Your posts are based on opinions and emotions, not facts. I actually did have you on ignore for awhile, couldn't remember the exact reason why or why I unignored you, but now I think I remember why.

Your attempts at trolling are just as low level as Erin's striking, like this:
 
If you don’t like the subject matter why would you even comment on the thread?



It’s really that hard to wrap your mind around the idea of people being interested in something g you aren’t.


You are the one dealing to post in these threads. If you are not interested just ignore them. There other threads




I never force you do anything. I just pointed out facts to you. I was having discussion.

When you posted on this thread did you expect no one to respond to you?

He doesn't understand that women don't fight like men, so he's using a predicated comparative analysis that will always leave him wanting.

Pena fought Pennington for the championship - they both look like shit compared to the male champs.

Valentina fought Grasso for the championship and lay n' prayed her for 5 rounds with no issue - terrible fight.

Rose fought Esparza for the title in the worst title fight of all-time.

These are the most skilled women fighters in the world and guess what? Most of them in a vacuum aren't elite at fighting when you compare them to men, they do the best they can based on the fact that women are far less athletic and have a less natural aptitude to pick ups a variety of complex fighting skills.

To him they are all terrible - Valentina, Nunes, Rose; those are some of the best female fighters of all-time. So either he just doesn't like WMMA, which is fine, or he has no understanding of how fighting works for women, which is also fine, but he should think before posting.
 
To him they are all terrible - Valentina, Nunes, Rose; those are some of the best female fighters of all-time. So either he just doesn't like WMMA, which is fine, or he has no understanding of how fighting works for women, which is also fine, but he should think before posting.

Don't speak for me, you egghead.
 
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