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Rory MacDonald explains controversial comments about Robbie Lawler, performance-enhancing drug use

Personally im confident Robbie was gimicked for 189. His output in fights since was considerably lower.


You have a paradigm where there is a combination of suspicious numbers and a suspicious decline in output, but no failed test.

If I'm Rory, and willing to be honest, I would think there is enough smoke to say there may have been fire.
 
You have a paradigm where there is a combination of suspicious numbers and a suspicious decline in output, but no failed test.

If I'm Rory, and willing to be honest, I would think there is enough smoke to say there may have been fire.

yeh, im not a fan of calling people out without evidence.. but, theres too many little things.

his Lutinizing hormone levels could have a natural explanation
his t/e ratio could have a natural explanation
some other markers could have a natural explanation
his cardio output in that fight compared with others could have a natural explanation

but its like..

i could trip over a dog on my way to work
or
i could bump into someone and spill their coffee on them
or
my garden gate could come off in my hand
or
i could lose my wallet
or
my train could break down

but if ALL of those things happened on the same morning, ya gotta start asking questions
 
He had a higher output or very close to the same in both Carlos Condit and Donald Cerrone fight, he threw exactly as many punches in the Cerrone fight as he did Rory. And if memory serves me right, which I'm pretty sure it does, the fight with Rory consisted of alot of jabs instead of power punches like against Carlos. He was also hurt early and came straight back against Carlos. I understand arguing the test results but his performance in output and recovery was very much the same in my opinion. He takes rounds off to come back harder
 
nah, the Rory/Lawler fight was after the program started but the first three months was only educational.

Event testing for UFC 189 was Nevada AThletic Comission NOT usada. (Nevada published all the test data)

1st July - program started but first three months educational
30th september - first wherabouts deadline
1st october - unnanounced out of competition testing started



Personally im confident Robbie was gimicked for 189. His output in fights since was considerably lower.



as above,USADA did not handle the testing for UFC 189

Alright well then ufc 195 against Condit usada definitely wouldve been doing random tests for that one and he looked great in that fight.
 
Alright well then ufc 195 against Condit usada definitely wouldve been doing random tests for that one and he looked great in that fight.
you think?

i thought he looked nervous and fairly cautious and not wanting to over-commit. looked to me like he was unsure of his cardio. i thought the two performances were night and day
 
https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/9/...awler-performance-enhancing-drug-use#comments

INGLEWOOD, Calif. — Rory MacDonaldgave a four-word answer last month when he was asked on a Reddit AMA if he thinks Robbie Lawler was on performance-enhancing drugs when the two met at UFC 189 for the UFC welterweight title in 2015.


“I’m convinced he was,” MacDonald said.

MacDonald explained that conclusion in an interview with MMA Fighting on Tuesday. MacDonald, who now fights for Bellator MMA, said he believes the way in which Lawler pushed through in the all-time classic battle was unnatural. Lawler won the fight by fifth-round TKO in a bout in which MacDonald was ahead on the scorecards.

“He never slowed down,” MacDonald said. “I would hurt him and his output was high, high, high and he never really lost power and endurance. He just kept the pace and kept the power no matter how hurt or tired he was. He always was recovered very fast. It made me very suspicious.

“Obviously, I think Robbie is a tank of a person. He’s got that fire and that will and the rage and that anger in him that burns and pushes him through those hard moments. He’s an absolute warrior. I’m not disagreeing with that. But I do believe he was taking some sh*t.”


MacDonald, 28, referenced what he believes to be suspicious findings from Lawler’s drug test in relation to that fight to back up his feelings. Lawler did have high Luteinizing Hormone in one test and other irregularities, but the levels were normal in subsequent screens. Lawler did not fail the drug test or any other by USADA or World Anti-Doping Agency standards.

“The Red King,” who challenges Douglas Lima on Jan. 20 here in Los Angeles for the Bellator welterweight belt, said he has heard things tying Lawler’s former gym, American Top Team, to performance-enhancing drug use. MacDonald got into a Twitter spat with Yves Edwards, a longtime ATT veteran and former teammate of Lawler, after his Reddit comments.

Sore loser doesn't look good on you @rory_macdonald you should wear something else. https://t.co/hTNI67hTvf

— Yves Edwards (@thugjitsumaster) September 1, 2017
MacDonald wants to make it clear that he doesn’t think everyone at American Top Team is cheating.


“I didn’t call so and so and so and so someone who was on performance-enhancing drugs,” he said. “I don’t have an issue with whatever. Someone asked me, ‘Do I think Robbie Lawler is on steroids?’ Yeah, I do. That’s it.”

Lawler’s manager Dave Martin didn’t respond to a request to address MacDonald’s comments.

Lawler, who has beaten MacDonald twice, has passed all 21 USADA drug tests that he has taken dating back to 2015, per the agency’s website. UFC 189 was right after the UFC brought in USADA to run its anti-doping program.

MacDonald said he’s not upset with Lawler and not complaining about the loss two years ago. He just believes what he believes based on his experience.

“I’m totally not crying about it,” MacDonald said. “If you’re gonna ask me, do I think Robbie Lawler takes performance-enhancing drugs? Absolutely, I do. And I absolutely think he was on something when we fought.”


I agree with Rory. Lawler's testosterone levels were very suspicious to say the least. Not to mention Lawler's sudden career resurgence.

Thoughts?

lawler's notorious for taking the first 2 rounds off.

also, rory's explanation is just stupid. he thinks he's on "steroids" because he had cardio? that's reallllly smart.
 
ATT has their own personal in house doctor, that im sure is more than capable of analyzing and adjusting bloodwork on any given day.

Figure that one out.
 
Alright well then ufc 195 against Condit usada definitely wouldve been doing random tests for that one and he looked great in that fight.

Lawlers USADA testing in relation to UFC 195 v Condit

2 samples (likely 1 x blood 1 x urine) - October 2015
2 samples (likely 1 x blood 1 x urine) - 7 days ending 12th december 2015
1 sample (urine) fight night

so tested about a month out, and fight night.

USADA were still getting started
 
Robbie doesn't just "keep the pace" or "never slows down" as Rory says in the interview. On the contrary, he paces himself, to the point of taking whole rounds off, to gather energy for bursts of violence, which have won him rounds, decisions, the belt, and destructions of dudes like Rory.

For his part, Rory's team (Zihabi et al) have pointed to Rory not pacing himself (for 5 rounds) as a major cause of his title shot loss.

Not to sound trite, but Rory is doing the typical thing of focusing (blaming) on the winner (Robbie) instead of focusing on himself. That's not critical thinking, and it's not a recipe for success. Learn from your mistakes, improve, and move on.
 
American Top Team is the most highly suspect gym in all of MMA

Why do you say that?

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Uh, the Rory fight was shortly after USADA took effect and he wasn't random'd for that one. Uh, the NSAC test that was conducted before that fight would have had him fail under WADA guidelines. Uh.

Good point about the random testing.

Explain how his results would have failed under wada guidelines though.
 
All I know is the Waterboy was a much better nickname than the Red King in my opinion.
 
He’s probably right. Had suspicious levels, suddenly improves a lot later in his career. Then dips off a little and his body looks slightly different since usada/ his close call with the suspicious levels
 
He was ares before red king don’t forget the god of war

You're right! I knew he had another nickname between the two but was blanking on it.

Okay how about

The Waterboy > Ares > The Red King

the names are regressing.
 
Couldn't care less. Great fight. Let them juice.

Some fans live in deep denial.
 
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