Ronda Rousey v Cris Cyborg - Size Comparison

[I WILL CUT YOU]

I am not a Ronda hater. In fact you can check the other 100 threads that are very similar to this one and you will find that I am usually arguing for Ronda. But facts are facts, and there is also no sense in the Cyborg haters making lies to make a point in the other direction when it is not needed.

What lies? You asked why 135ers weren't moving up--

She has fought the best that is available in the world for that weight class. You can beat it up if you want, but nobody seems to be in a hurry to move up from 135 pounds to join it.

Why would they move up? The UFC has a 135 division, not a 145. No ones goal is to be an undersized Invicta champ or another undersized win of Cris's. You're not too bright, and you rely on straw man fallacies.

 

[SherdogFan23]

It wasn't that Cyborg lost to Paes, it is that Cyborg has spent her whole career fighting 125 and 135 pounders that is the point.

Fighters fighting at at least two weight classes is very common. If it happens on the Men's divisions it certainly happens in the women's divisions too. But maybe you could enlighten us with the additional names beyond the four names provided that fought at weight classes below 135 pounds.

In addition I have already shown that a fighters fights in other weight classes doesn't mean crap. Otherwise Rumble has discredited every fighter he fought in several weight classes. And since Hendo lost fights at Middle Weight I suppose this means his victories at Light Heavy Weight put blemishes on his opponents records too. Poor Fedor and Shogun got beat by a Middle Weight. The whole argument is nonsense.

 

[SherdogFan23]

These rankings are little bit more objective as they're formulaic
http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/womens-featheweight/

If you notice the 15th ranked featherweight is 1-0

That's pathetic

on the bantamweight side:
http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/womens-bantamweight/

the 15th ranked fighter is 9-0 Pannie Kianzad

Also notice that Cyborg has only fought 3 of the top 15 featherweights, notably missing #3 (Julia Budd), #4 (Arlene Blencowe), #5 (Latoya Walker), and #6 (Peggy Morgan)

Julia Budd is in Bellator while Cyborg is in Invicta FC. While they can contract to fight each other it is not as easy as opponents in your own organization. I suspect it will eventually happen if she continues to win.

Arlene Blencowe is also in Bellator. She lost tonight to Marloes Coenen by Submission so I suspect her ranking will go down.

Latoya Walker is new to Invicta FC and has only fought one fight in the organization. I suspect she will get to challenge Cyborg in time.

Peggy Morgan should not be ranked that high. She lost to Latoya Walker (above) and several others.

The ranking at MMA Rising is much more accurate though it also shows how shallow the number of available fighters is for that weight class.

 

[SherdogFan23]

What lies? You asked why 135ers weren't moving up--



Why would they move up? The UFC has a 135 division, not a 145. No ones goal is to be an undersized Invicta champ or another undersized win of Cris's. You're not too bright, and you rely on straw man fallacies.

You are the one with lies. The UFC isn't the only organization with 135 pound fighters. You act like all paths go through the UFC. That is narrow minded. Bellator has around ten 135 pound fighters and Invicta FC has around twenty 135 pound fighters (assuming the information is up to date). They add up to more Batamweight female fighters than in the UFC. If any of them have moved up they have not succeeded in beating Cyborg.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

You are the one with lies. The UFC isn't the only organization with 135 pound fighters. You act like all paths go through the UFC. That is narrow minded. Bellator has around ten 135 pound fighters and Invicta FC has around twenty 135 pound fighters (assuming the information is up to date). They add up to more fighters than in the UFC. If any of them have moved up they have not succeeded in beating Cyborg.

Again, what lies?

Lol at this point you've talked in so many circles you're tripping over your prior posts.

No one says they want to be Bellator or Invicta champ. They are lesser orgs with worse fighters, worse pay, and worse exposure.

 

[ehtheist]

I've seen Frankie Edgar get in the ring with people who had more of a size advantage, and don't even get me started on Fedor and a number of other heavyweights. Is this woman the GOAT athlete many of you seem to think she is, or does she need the excuse of "Cyborg is just too big!"

 

[hughesfan20]

Can you link the video ? I am not a Cyborg fan more of a Ronda fan just not blinded by lies so for sure lets see the video

Ronda isn't scared. It is pretty obvious that Cyborg is the reason the fight hasn't happened. She has ducked/ran, lied and changed her mind a hundred times about nearly everything you can think of over the last four years to the point that nothing she says or does can be taken seriously.

First, the histry of Ronda going to 135 is outlined in this historical sherdog thread:

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/92583821-post954.html

Then, what happend next was that Ronda beat Budd and Cyborg got busted for steroids. Ronda still agrees to fight Cyborg at 145 (According to Cyborg and her lawyers) for the FW title. However, with Cyborg unable to get her suspension reduced SF gets rid of the 145 class, effectively cancelling the fight (Cyborg's ruins the fight #1).
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/9/29...on-upheld-strikeforce-ronda-rousey-female-mma

Cyborg then says she will fight Ronda at a catchweight of 140 (Aug 13, 2012)
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/13/3240734/cris-cyborg-ronda-rousey-fight-catchweight

To which Ronda's manager agrees with VADA drug and hair folicle testing (Aug 19)
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/20/3256102/ronda-rousey-drug-testing-cyborg-steroids-strikeforce-mma

To which Cyborg backs out almost instantly saying she "will fight at 145, no less" and that she is the champion (actually she wasn't, she was stripped of the belt), and Cyborg ruins the fight for a second time, and ducks Ronda directly for the first time.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...ight-rousey-at-145-pounds----no-less/828222/1

Then the UFC buys SF and picks up Ronda's contract and creates the 135 class. Then, the UFC picks up Cyborg's contract and even offers to let her to go Invicta and make money while she trims down until she can make 135. They even offered to PAY Mike Dolce for her to help her lose the weight.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/...es-services-to-get-cyborg-to-135-ronda-rousey
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/...dy-fat-percentage-cain-velasquez-ronda-rousey


Cyborg responds by asking to be released from the UFC. (Cyborg ruins the fight #3, Cyborg ducks Ronda #2)

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Then, the UFC gets cozy with Invicta, puts them on fightpass and makes an agreement that Cyborg will get into the UFC if she makes 135. Cyborg signs a contract to make 135 in Dec 2014, but continues to lift weights on a daily basis and doesn't even try to cut the weight, pulling out of the fight and saying she will continue to fight at 145, but that she will still fight Ronda at 145, effectively ducking the fight again (duck #3) by not agreeing to the terms that will get her the bout agreement

This doesn't even take into account all the times Cyborg says she is going to 135, then she will die if she does, then she will be fine, then dead again ... etc.

Here is Cyborg weighing in at 140

http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/elitexc-unfinished-business-weigh-in-results


she doesn't exactly look like a concentration camp victim, she is still carrying a ton of muscle mass. She just has to drop five pounds of it and the fight is on. Cyborg is just too psychologically attached/addicted to her muscle mass to let it go. She knows she can keep her name in the headlines by barking at Ronda from a distance, while never having to actually take the fight.

Cyborg has no leverage to dictate the terms. Ronda is going nowhere, she is a stationary target, if Cyborg wants the fight, she knows where she has to go to get it.

The day before her Invicta weigh-in against Tweet, Cyborg said she could "make 140 tomorrow"
http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/cyborg...ufc-champ-ronda-rousey-at-140-pounds-tomorrow

but since she says she currently walks around at 175

that means she is saying she can fight at a weight 35 pounds below her walkaround weight, but claimed it was physically impossible, and maybe even fatal, if she tried to cut from her walkaround weight of 160 (see video above) down to 135 back when she asked to be released from the UFC, even though that is only 25 pounds. The only conclusion was that she JUST DIDN'T WANT THE FIGHT, since she could have clearly cut the weight.

So lose five pounds of muscle from where you were before and make the fight. The UFC wasn't willing to make a catchweight fight for Carano ("White made it clear that if such a fight would happen, it would have to occur at 135 pounds."), so they sure aren't going to make one for you.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/4/9...y-say-gina-carano-deserves-an-immediate-title

Quit running, or does she only want to fight with a huge weight advantage where she can alter the scale to make weight? Complete lack of class and sportsmanship.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/details-of-the-cyborg-vs-akano-controversy-2

but of course Cyborg won't cut the weight, here you can hear in her own words at 4:40 that she has no desire to fight without having a huge size advantage.



If Cyborg would just cut back on the powerlifting and protein shakes (and we know what else she does) she would start to go back to her natural, walk-around weight of 137 like you can see here, and she won't even be a big 135 pounder.

Here's the post that I edited down with the videos.

 

[BASSER911414]

Cyborg has no business at 135. She's too big and although its an awesome match, its a mismatch of size and proportion.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Cyborg has no business at 135. She's too big and although its an awesome match, its a mismatch of size and proportion.

Here's what Cris says:

Justino appeared on Friday

 

[CrashStitches]

Good post.

Cyborg fans (let's be honest here, Cris has very few fans you're actually just Ronda haters) are getting #rekt

The mental hula-hooping required to be a fan of Cyborg is just not my thing.

 

[Drake]

The answer is in your sig, ts.

 

[CrashStitches]

You are the one with lies. The UFC isn't the only organization with 135 pound fighters. You act like all paths go through the UFC. That is narrow minded. Bellator has around ten 135 pound fighters and Invicta FC has around twenty 135 pound fighters (assuming the information is up to date). They add up to more Batamweight female fighters than in the UFC. If any of them have moved up they have not succeeded in beating Cyborg.

Nobody laces up the cleats at 8 years old and says "I wanna play for a minor league team."

 

[Bob Gray]

Did you really just say Ronda has more KO power than Cyborg???

Say goodbye to your credibility dude.

Im done with you.

It was said in the other thread, you could easily prove it with some gifs, which you never post.

No one is saying she doesn't hit hard, but people like you say shit like she KO's men in training and back it up with nothing. Then when it's pointed out that rather bottom of the barrel fighters seem to be able to weather the storm of her bone shattering strikes and you continue the insults and provide absolutely nothing of substance.

Don't say it, show it. You've shown nothing at all to back up your point and that's why you're coming off poorly.

As of right now, this moment, 2 gifs of Ronda putting someone down with one punch can be shown. How many can you bring up of Cyborg?

 

[CrashStitches]

Here's the post that I edited down with the videos.

You think Cyborg fans have enough patience to actually read any of that?

 

[CrashStitches]

Did you really just say Ronda has more KO power than Cyborg???

Say goodbye to your credibility dude.

Im done with you.

Here's the thing. Ronda has actually demonstrated clean, one-shot power, and she did so in front of the entire fucking world in 30 seconds, on the heels of other stoppages by strikes. Cyborg's most brutal KO is Finney, a 125 lb girl bloating up for a check, and that was like watching a Rottweiler clumsily eat a groundhog over the course of 15 minutes.

 

[ehtheist]

Here's the thing. Ronda has actually demonstrated clean, one-shot power, and she did so in front of the entire fucking world in 30 seconds, on the heels of other stoppages by strikes. Cyborg's most brutal KO is Finney, a 125 lb girl bloating up for a check, and that was like watching a Rottweiler clumsily eat a groundhog over the course of 15 minutes.

So, you're suggesting that Ronda has nothing to worry about, and she can easily take a catch weight or even move up to defeat the comparably unskilled Cyborg and add loads of credibility to her resume?

 

[lsa]

Find this in the contenders if this is true I wonder how committed Cyborg is to make weight

Marloes Coenen talked to Bloody elbow the worst sbnation mma site, and expressed her desire to fight Cyborg a 3rd time in Bellator. Cyborg then tweeted it out showing her interest. Could be a ploy to get the ufc to get their shit together but i


Would love to see it. Cyborg deserves to be on tv and in the spotlight. Greatest WMMA fighter of all time, started it all with the help of fighters like coenan and carano.

 

[CrashStitches]

So, you're suggesting that Ronda has nothing to worry about, and she can easily take a catch weight or even move up to defeat the comparably unskilled Cyborg and add loads of credibility to her resume?

I'm saying that, all the drama and bullshit aside, if they met alone in an alley, Ronda fucks Cris up. I'm saying that if Cris makes 135 like she keeps saying she will, Ronda fucks Cris up. I'm saying that at 140, where Cris also teases, Ronda fucks Cris up. I'm saying that at 145, another division that the UFC does not have, Ronda fucks Cris up. Cris does not have the speed in her striking, nor the one-shot power she would need to neutralize a grappling phenom like Ronda. She will engage in a clinch very shortly, and she will be feet-up in no time. From there, it's been proven Ronda collects the arms she wants. Cyborg's massive face bones will not help her there.

 

[Sgt Smith]

So, you're suggesting that Ronda has nothing to worry about, and she can easily take a catch weight or even move up to defeat the comparably unskilled Cyborg and add loads of credibility to her resume?

I think Ronda could very well beat Cris at 145. There is just zero incentive for her to do so. It's a business, and the only real money in MMA right now is with Ronda at 135 in the UFC. That's not going to change because MMA fans find it unfair. Ronda holds the cards, so Cyborg has to come to her if she wants a piece that pie.

She really has nothing to lose. If she wins, she says "told you so". If she loses, she still get paid. I suppose the weight cut excuses will be made as well. If she gets mauled and tapped in seconds, that probably won't work though. I would love to see the fight. I've been watching Cris for much longer than Ronda and would love to see the top female fighters match up in the cage. The ball is in her court, but she needs to stop talking and pick it up.

She's going to have to prove she can make the weight first, so she better get to it. If she doesn't care, she can continue to fight in Invicta and I'm sure she'll keep winning. But on the same note, "Is she facing the best competition?"

 

[ehtheist]

I'm saying that, all the drama and bullshit aside, if they met alone in an alley, Ronda fucks Cris up. I'm saying that if Cris makes 135 like she keeps saying she will, Ronda fucks Cris up. I'm saying that at 140, where Cris also teases, Ronda fucks Cris up. I'm saying that at 145, another division that the UFC does not have, Ronda fucks Cris up. Cris does not have the speed in her striking, nor the one-shot power she would need to neutralize a grappling phenom like Ronda. She will engage in a clinch very shortly, and she will be feet-up in no time. From there, it's been proven Ronda collects the arms she wants. Cyborg's massive face bones will not help her there.

Ah, so that's precisely what you are saying... Just in such a way that you dance around the possibility of Ronda ever actually having to prove she can whip Cyborg, claiming all the credit for a victory she'll evidently never achieve. Why won't she achieve it? Because Cyborg is, in fact, no challenge at all - she's so far behind Ronda that even without Ronda fighting her, we know that Cyborg has no chance.

It makes one wonder... Why does Ronda fight at all? She's obviously going to win - in fact, she has basically already won all the matches she hasn't even fought yet. We can just declare her GOAT and stop women's MMA already - because Ronda beating *everyone* is a foregone conclusion.

It must be a wonderful world you live in, and you must make a *killing* betting.