Ronda Rousey v Cris Cyborg - Size Comparison

[Swiggity Swooty]

Disregard Yamanaka because Cris pissed hot. Porto was 3-2. Cris has fought terrible, undersized fighters her whole career.

Van Duin (5-1, fighting for just two years)
Tweet (6-4, 38 years old. Lost to Ronda, probably Ronda's worst win)
Muxlaw (6-3, no notable wins, part time fighter whose background is as a fitness instructor)
Yamanaka (NC-- drug test failure)
Akano (128/132lb fighter)
Takahashi (17-12, has one win over a non-Japanese fighter,)
Finney (8-8 punching bag)
Vitorio, Santiago, Schroeder - extremely low level. Cris was still new though.
Porto- Good win, but Porto was 3-2 at the time and is now a 125er.


Cris's resume is garbage. Tate, Kaufman, Zingano, Davis, McManb, Carmouche, Budd, Correia are all FAR better wins than those.

You asked for her top 5 wins, those are what they are. If you are just going to try to disregard them then that's on you and only you for pushing your agenda.

Will not disregard Yamanaka, that is completely semantical given what you are trying to push.

I stick by what I said. At the time of the fights they were all good wins. Porto was 3-1 actually, and a highly touted prospect back then as was Bazsler who would go on to beat Davis and was 10-4 at the time.

If you want to play that game you could find holes with Rouseys opponents too. You could use fight IQ and MMAth to play this silly semantics game that is all too commonplace.

At the end of the day they have both beaten the best that was put in front of them at their respective times.

Once again, why would Rousey offer to fight Gina at 145 but not Cyborg? See, others can do it too.

 

[Wicked_1]

Just because the 145 pound division is weak, doesn't mean cyborg is. If she was such a non threat as the RR chuggers claim her to be, why wouldn't RR take the big payday and her claim as goat of wmma ..at the time of the Gina fight, Gina was hyped about as much as RR..strike force just didn't have the cash backing that the ufc has. I dont care who either has fought...cyborg is a better striker by far, and I believe her bjj defense is pretty good. It is the only fight RR can do that's going to make her legacy as goat. It obviously will do well on ppv and make a big check for all. Only problem is..cyborg crushes her....no more golden girl golden goose...less money over time. As far as I'm concerned the fight should be at 140..leaving RR the champ either way@ 135. And have excuse for loss via larger opponent that juiced..Just fight already and let's see whos the better fighter. .that's what RR and chris should want as an athlete..

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Will not disregard Yamanaka, that is completely semantical given what you are trying to push.

At the end of the day they have both beaten the best that was put in front of them at their respective times.

Lol, so drug test failures for anabolic steroids is 'semabtics'? She cheated, so her win doesn't mean shit.



As for beating "the best", I'm not sure how you can compare the two weight classes. There is no semantics needed. 145 is much worse.



Seems like I'm pushing facts, bro. Your agenda isn't supprted by facts.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Just because the 145 pound division is weak, doesn't mean cyborg is. If she was such a non threat as the RR chuggers claim her to be, why wouldn't RR take the big payday and her claim as goat of wmma ..at the time of the Gina fight, Gina was hyped about as much as RR..strike force just didn't have the cash backing that the ufc has. I dont care who either has fought...cyborg is a better striker by far, and I believe her bjj defense is pretty good. It is the only fight RR can do that's going to make her legacy as goat. It obviously will do well on ppv and make a big check for all. Only problem is..cyborg crushes her....no more golden girl golden goose...less money over time. As far as I'm concerned the fight should be at 140..leaving RR the champ either way@ 135. And have excuse for loss via larger opponent that juiced..Just fight already and let's see whos the better fighter. .that's what RR and chris should want as an athlete..

Ronda already makes big paydays. Cris is a nobody in a nothing league.

Cris is obviously obsessed with Ronda. Hates her guts, wants to beat her face in. Currently, Cris:

• Fights for $50k a fight
• sells only a few thousand ppv (4,800 recently)
• Has little exposure
• Fights very low level competition

If you were Cris, wouldn't you just cut the supplements, submit to the enhanced testing, and sell a million+ ppv, make a million dollars, and get a chance to shut Ronda up with your fists? Are those rewards worth dropping 10 lbs and the horsemeat powerlifting routine?

Here's what Cris says:

Justino appeared on Friday

 

[Swiggity Swooty]

Lol, so drug test failures for anabolic steroids is 'semabtics'? She cheated, so her win doesn't mean shit.

As for beating "the best", I'm not sure how you can compare the two weight classes. There is no semantics needed. 145 is much worse.



Seems like I'm pushing facts, bro. Your agenda isn't supprted by facts.

Uhhh, yes. For the agenda you are pushing, yes. Whether Cyborg was juiced to the gills or looking like an Auschwitz prisoner doesn't effect her opponents. Do you even know what you are trying to accomplish?

Ok, it's now clear to me that you aren't comprehending very well, on 2 fronts here with just me. First, The competition in 145 vs 135 is a moot point, not sure why you are bringing that up at all, even more idiotically with me since I haven't said anything about it since it's irrelevant. Secondly, as I have said, Cyborgs best wins, AT THEIR TIMES, were comparable with Rondas. Are they better? Maybe not, but to completely disregard them is disingenuous and shows you actually don't have any intentions of discussing this intelligently.

Further, you can't say I am pushing an agenda like you are. You actually pushing bias as well. I am bringing up discussion, you are crying and whiteknighting immediately without trying to be decent.

I think you are done here, you are unwilling to discuss things like an adult, in your mind you've already "won", so why not just take your ball and go home?

 

[Swiggity Swooty]

Also, why did Rousey say she'd fight Carano at 145 but she won't Cyborg? Once again, see, I can cherry pick too.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Also, why did Rousey say she'd fight Carano at 145 but she won't Cyborg? Once again, see, I can cherry pick too.

That you think Cris juicing doesn't affect the oucome of a fight says a lot. There us a reason the CSAC changed it to a No Contest.

As for Gina, Ronda herself has answered this.

Prior to the UFC 171 weigh-ins in Dallas on March 14, Rousey praised Carano for her contributions to women

 

[servel20]

. . . after knocking her out on her feet first





and yet Ronda has more KOs than Cyborg

Oh no, that gif really does show Davis being unconcious....

She was obviously stunned, then she got slammed and KO'd...

 

[servel20]

That's two instances of Rousey KOing or queer streeting someone with one punch. How many gifs are there of Cyborg doing the same?

Hint: You will post none.


Note: If you wanted to just measure power by itself, I'd say Cyborg probably hits harder. But KO's and one shots aren't about power alone. Rousey has demonstrated a superior ability to land a fight ending single punch than Cyborg has, as evidenced by the multiple instances of people showing Rousey doing it, as opposed to the nothing being shown by people that say Cyborg is superior at it. And the nothing they will continue to show. While saying it's obvious. Somehow?

So because rousey has 3 KO/TKO at a lower weight class she's obviously not only a KO artist but has more power than Cyborg who has 13 TKO's at a higher weight class...

Sounds legit...

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Oh no, that gif really does show Davis being unconcious....

She was obviously stunned, then she got slammed and KO'd...

For a full minute after that right hand Alexis had no idea where she was or what was going in. Yves Levigne kept repeating, "The fight us over, the fight is over." Alexis's knees buckle, the right hand she was bringing back fell to Ronda's knees, and Ronda hut her so hard her hair whipped around and her ear hit her shoulder.


As to your second post, Ronda has three clean ko's. Cris has one, a knee to the body of 8-8 Jan Finney, who has been stopped by 135ers Kedzie, Baszler, Carmouche, and Holm and lost a decision to Tate.

Ronda has more clean ko's, faster, more brutal wins against much better competition. Cris couldn't ko or tko Yoko Takahashi (Cris won a decision), but Becky Levi, Marloes Coenen, and Irma Verhoeff had no issues tkoing Takahashi in the first round.

Cris's power is overblown. She wins in volume tko's.




Feel free to post gifs of clean ko power from Cris as evidence to the contrary.

 

[Swiggity Swooty]

That you think Cris juicing doesn't affect the oucome of a fight says a lot. There us a reason the CSAC changed it to a No Contest.

As for Gina, Ronda herself has answered this.


http://www.mmaweekly.com/cris-cyborg-questions-ronda-rousey-why-145-for-gina-carano-but-not-me

In later interviews she notes that Gina is a pioneer, has trouble making 145, and has never failed a drug test or been suspected of using. Pretty simple.



Your turn. Answer this:
Cris is obviously obsessed with Ronda. Hates her guts, wants to beat her face in. Currently, Cris:
Fights for $50k a fight
sells only a few thousand ppv (4,800 recently)
Has little exposure
Fights very low level competition

If you were Cris, wouldn't you just cut the supplements, submit to the enhanced testing, and sell a million+ ppv, make a million dollars, and get a chance to shut Ronda up with your fists? Are those rewards worth dropping 10 lbs and the horsemeat powerlifting routine?

Cool, thank you for confirming that you aren't able to comprehend very well.

1. Go back and reread posts better. I never said anything about the outcome of fights being changed due to PEDs, I never mentioned that at all. Here's a better example. Say Yamanaka was fighting Jane from accounting instead of Cyborg. Jane is clean except for her daily Starbucks. Does Jane drinking Starbucks or Cyborg on PEDs change anything about Yamanaka before Yamanaka fights either Jane or Cyborg? The answer is no. Stop pushing your asinine narrative, it wont work here. This has nothing to do with the outcome of the fight. You just made that up as I never mentioned it, I said the PED point youre making is irrelevant to the semantical point you are pushing. It is truly not hard to understand, not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding simple text.

2. Seriously? That was rhetorical if you didn't notice, which you clearly did not. It doesn't matter if Rousey said she'd fight Godzilla at SHW and not Cyborg. I am not surprised you missed that though.

To answer your questions.

No clue, I don't think either really want to fight the other at this point. I have no dog in this race if you think I am siding with either one of these women, I am just trying to get an intelligent discussion, I am not getting that with you sadly. Cyborg should lose weight, Rousey shouldn't even humor questions about Cyborg if she's not willing to back up here "Baddest Female" persona.

From the latter part of your post it's clear you have an emotional investment here and you will continue to push your agenda even when others are able to discuss intelligently. You are not discussing this intelligently. I think you are done here.

 

[Swiggity Swooty]

So because rousey has 3 KO/TKO at a lower weight class she's obviously not only a KO artist but has more power than Cyborg who has 13 TKO's at a higher weight class...

Sounds legit...

Right? This is what I don't get. THese idiots are soooo stuck up on the KO Power talk that it's taking a turn into semantics. As I said in a previous post...

Not him but one would assume that when they say KO power they literally mean the power to KO or TKO someone seeing as even a TKO shows that power, not necessarily out cold one hitters. People talk about Anderson Silvas KO power even though he's not known for one shots in the same way. Similarly people talk about Chucks or Rampages power even though they hadn't and haven't one shot anyone in a long time.

A semantic battle doesn't help anyone on either side really.

I'd stop bothering with this one, not worth it. It was fun to play with the mental midget but she fell off the horse quicker than normal so it's not too much fun when she's never actually had any intention of having an intelligent discussion.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

PEDs are semantics. Right. The added size, strength, recovery, and longer/harder training Cris got from PEDs is an agenda I'm pushing? Fuck you're missing the point.

The point is, you can't count Yamanaka as a top win for Cyborg because Cyborg didn't win. It is a No Contest because Cris cheated. A no contest is not a win no matter how you try to spin it with straw man about Jane and Starbucks (wow what a shit argument that was). Of course Cris using roids doesn't do anything to Yamanaka. It was Cris taking them. Why you think PEDs had no bearing in the outcome of the fight is astounding.


You asked aquestion, I posted a quote supporting my position. It's clearly you who can't post intelligently, since your don't back any of your opinions with facts.

I used facts to show 135 has superior comp. Facts showing Cris needs Ronda, not the other way around. Facts why Ronda would be willing to grant Gina a pass. Facts showing Cris saying she can make 135.

When you get owned, you just resort to saying I'm pushing an agenda and not arguing intelligently. That is a strawman and an ad hominem, both if which are logical fallacies. It's you who is not arguing properly.

Rhetorics are a poor argument. Use facts, or I'll keep destroying you.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Whitebelts, you should start at the beginning of this thread and read the whole thing. You might learn a few things and look less foolish.

 

[Bob Gray]

So because rousey has 3 KO/TKO at a lower weight class she's obviously not only a KO artist but has more power than Cyborg who has 13 TKO's at a higher weight class...

Sounds legit...

Why respond to something you either didn't read or can't comprehend? I literally said in post you quoted that Cyborg probably had more power. But maybe you cut with the dull edge of the knife and can't read a sentence. I guess? I dunno. I'm trying to figure out why a person can use a computer, type out a response and yet apparently have no idea what he just read 3 seconds earlier.

Don't prop up another argument I never made, respond to the one I did.

 

[servel20]

For a full minute after that right hand Alexis had no idea where she was or what was going in. Yves Levigne kept repeating, "The fight us over, the fight is over." Alexis's knees buckle, the right hand she was bringing back fell to Ronda's knees, and Ronda hut her so hard her hair whipped around and her ear hit her shoulder.


As to your second post, Ronda has three clean ko's. Cris has one, a knee to the body of 8-8 Jan Finney, who has been stopped by 135ers Kedzie, Baszler, Carmouche, and Holm and lost a decision to Tate.

Ronda has more clean ko's, faster, more brutal wins against much better competition. Cris couldn't ko or tko Yoko Takahashi (Cris won a decision), but Becky Levi, Marloes Coenen, and Irma Verhoeff had no issues tkoing Takahashi in the first round.

Cris's power is overblown. She wins in volume tko's.




Feel free to post gifs of clean ko power from Cris as evidence to the contrary.

Do you realize Davis was hip thrown unto her head and then punched hard like 7 times until she was fully unconcious.

When someone is out, their whole body gives away, she was clearly hurt but not out.

Her knees did not buckle, if anything she flinched and put her head down and tried to clinch as to not take any more punishment.

Not only is it naive to say a girl fighting in 135lbs who only has THREE knockouts is a Knockout Artist or that she CLEARLY has more power than someone who's has 13 TKO in a higher weight class.

Now look at a clean KO by Cyborg

She went toe to toe with Jorina Baars and was holding her own despite of the size and length difference and you're gonna tell me Ronda who has 3 KO and barely has a couple years of experience striking not only is better but packs more of a punch.

You sir are completely retarded.

 

[servel20]

Why respond to something you either didn't read or can't comprehend? I literally said in post you quoted that Cyborg probably had more power. But maybe you cut with the dull edge of the knife and can't read a sentence. I guess? I dunno. I'm trying to figure out why a person can use a computer, type out a response and yet apparently have no idea what he just read 3 seconds earlier.

Don't prop up another argument I never made, respond to the one I did.

LOL ok, you're right. You Ronda fanboys went from she had more power to better KO artist to now better at landing fight ending KO punches.

You do realize she's only done it twice? Do you realize that it was only Bethe that was KO by one punch?

Both Mcmann and Davis took a beating before getting KO.

Rousey has come a long way, and she might beat Cyborg, but it won't be in the feet it would be by submission. Cris tends to clinch when in close and that's Ronda territory.

 

[Bob Gray]

LOL ok, you're right. You Ronda fanboys went from she had more power to better KO artist to now better at landing fight ending KO punches.

You do realize she's only done it twice? Do you realize that it was only Bethe that was KO by one punch?

Both Mcmann and Davis took a beating before getting KO.

Rousey has come a long way, and she might beat Cyborg, but it won't be in the feet it would be by submission. Cris tends to clinch when in close and that's Ronda territory.

Yes, I do realize she's done it twice. You may have noticed I said She's done it twice ...in the friggin' post you quoted. Christ. Why do you keep babbling on in a conversation you're apparently having with other people and not the one that's happening in the posts you're responding to?

How many times has Cyborg done it? That's the entire point being made. There's this constant talk of Cyborgs one punch power and zero examples of it. Much less more examples than what's being provided for Rousey. People like you just see Cyborgs ab muscles and read fightfinder and think she's a KO machine. Other people that are knowledgeable of her fights and can back up their points with evidence have a field day in threads like this because you're completely ignorant of what you're talking about and prove as much every time you make a post that has no evidence. Like you're next post that's in response to this one.

 

[Bob Gray]

Cyborg "holding her own" against Baars:

She got beat and beat soundly. It wasn't close. No shame in that since she's an inexperienced MT fighter up against a much better MT specialist. But Let's not make it out to be something it isn't.


You want to turn this into a semantical nitpick over "KO" but you're missing the forest for the trees. It's always being said that Cybrog can just land a punch and the fight is over. Rousey has to worry about getting hit one time or something and there's nothing to show that's the case. Cyborg is definitely a beast and hits hard, but she isn't some 1 punch KO machine. She hurts them and then swarms. Rousey having less TKOs is hardly surprising given her background, having more tools to win and only recently developing a stand up game. But it's sidetracking the point. Cyborgs KO power is vastly overrated, regardless of how it compares to Rousey.

 

[Swiggity Swooty]

PEDs are semantics. Right. The added size, strength, recovery, and longer/harder training Cris got from PEDs is an agenda I'm pushing? Fuck you're missing the point.

Nope, you're the idiot getting destroyed here and it's hilarious. It is semantics because it doesn't change Yamanaka at all, regardless of who she fights. Come on, this isn't hard.

The point is, you can't count Yamanaka as a top win for Cyborg because Cyborg didn't win. It is a No Contest because Cris cheated. A no contest is not a win no matter how you try to spin it with straw man about Jane and Starbucks (wow what a shit argument that was). Of course Cris using roids doesn't do anything to Yamanaka. It was Cris taking them. Why you think PEDs had no bearing in the outcome of the fight is astounding.

I don't think you know what strawman means, not surprising. And the argument was perfect if you were a bit smarter and were able to comprehend better, as stated above, it doesn't matter who Yamanaka is fighting, she's still Yamanaka whether fighting Jane or Cyborg. The semantics part is bringing up the PEDs, which in any other conversation WOULD be valid, but here, with what is going on right now, it is not. Another example would be who Evan Dunham was booked against after he "lost" to Sherk. Is anyone really saying "Well he did lose, let's put him back." No, that's why your mental midget gymnastics right now are semantics.

Stop trying to, and failing to, push the goalposts back just because you are getting fucking destroyed.

You asked aquestion, I posted a quote supporting my position. It's clearly you who can't post intelligently, since your don't back any of your opinions with facts.

I used facts to show 135 has superior comp. Facts showing Cris needs Ronda, not the other way around. Facts why Ronda would be willing to grant Gina a pass. Facts showing Cris saying she can make 135.

Did I make claims that I needed to back up and didn't? Go ahead and show me where, I'll wait.

Oh? You backed up something that I never claimed? Go ahead and point out where I said 145 was better than 135. Go ahead, i'll wait.

Oh? I said Ronda needed Cyborg somewhere? I said Cyborg needed Ronda somewhere? Please show me where, i'll wait.

Oh? You once again showed you couldn't comprehend text and you don't know what a rhetorical statement is? Even after seeing it twice? You can't read well, simple as that. The thing with Carano/Rousey is a non-issue but since you are not intelligently discussing this you took that point and ran since. You did exactly what everyone knew you would and made yourself look stupid even after I said it was irrelevant. Good show.

When you get owned, you just resort to saying I'm pushing an agenda and not arguing intelligently. That is a strawman and an ad hominem, both if which are logical fallacies. It's you who is not arguing properly.

Rhetorics are a poor argument. Use facts, or I'll keep destroying you.

You are the only one getting owned here, and you know how everyone sees your bullshit? You just said "When you get owned, you just resort to saying I'm pushing an agenda....." Yet I said you were pushing an agenda before you think you "owned" me.

Once again using words you don't know. An ad hominem would be if I attacked you and not what you said. I have gone point by point and responded to each bullet you made, so nice try. Also, go ahead and explain what a strawman is then I will give you all the time you need to find it. Go ahead, i'll wait.

Rhetorics aren't an argument at all, lady. Did you even read? Did you even get where I said TWICE how it wasn't relevant? Of course not.

So, as I said already, you really are done here. You may have had success earlier with people who are just as dumb as you, which you have shown, but you are done now, lady.

You went into a battle of wits unarmed. If you wish to continue to make a fool of yourself then I have no problems toying with mental midgets like you.

Have fun getting destroyed again and again.