Roger Gracie VS Gordan Ryan

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Hypothetical fight of course and unlikely to ever happen but let's just use our imaginations. No-gi obviously because I don't think Gordan is even training in gi anumore. How would this fight go. We will say sub only as well as ADCC rules? Can anybody seen Roger getting heel hooked?
 
Roger takes him down and on the ground crushes him making him look like a blue belt. There might be a chance of Gordon grabbing a heel hook while getting destroyed.
 
You think Roger will outwrestle Gordan in No gi? Interesting.
 
I think Gordon would butt scoot. While I don't know if Roger could take him down point blank I don't see Gordon outwrestle him either.. and he'd probably would want to avoid to put himself at risk of random scrambles against a guy who especially nogi was known to capitalize out of this situations like few others.

Then what happens next is hard to tell, at least in details. Roger is a grappling genius and I'm sure he has his own, very valid answers to the whole new school meta, but to say if he's able to pass him, or to entirely avoid the many risks or ashi garami/HH etc. it's, as I said, hard to tell. The only non-technical, mild prediction I can think of is that at this point, after the Buchecha match proved not even the rust and an absolute moster like Marcus stopped him, it's safe to say that if somebody else did survive or even beat Gordon, then Roger can do it.

That said, I think before even think about this Gordon should clean the house from active competitors, like the same Buchecha or Pena. And I think he needs to start focus on MMA on some not so far point, if it's his real big goal. So it's probably never gonna happen.
 
I can see Roger getting heel hooked. I don't think it's likely, but I think it's a possibility. Roger probably wins but Gordon has a fighting chance.
 
You think Roger will outwrestle Gordan in No gi? Interesting.
Not certain he would but he could take him down eventually. Roger's defence is good enough he can survive failed attempts or getting taken down
He mostly won adcc 2005 that way (he is 10x better now then he was then). In the gi Roger throws Gordon directly to side control.
 
Not certain he would but he could take him down eventually. Roger's defence is good enough he can survive failed attempts or getting taken down
He mostly won adcc 2005 that way (he is 10x better now then he was then). In the gi Roger throws Gordon directly to side control.

In the gi there is no doubt in my mind that Roger would ragdoll Gordan on the feet. Rogers Judo is quite good, especially for JJ. But no gi, I think Gordan would just butt scoot for sure.
 
Roger is the most accomplished subgrapwr to ever walk the face of the earth, and as he just shown, he’s still a beast.

Odds Roger 70/30
 
But no gi, I think Gordan would just butt scoot for sure.
Not sure, Gordon's wrestling isn't very good but he takes people down. Not sure he wants to be on bottom with the Roger (who judging by his rolls with Braulio as Roger hasn't competed in no time in modern times is super scary at no gi guard passing)
 
Ok lets break it down. How would Roger deal with the leg meta game that Gordan brings. Roger is Roger and I'm not saying he cant do it at all. I would bet on Roger, just curious what approach he would take. Never seen him deal with this.
 
"Gordan" sounds like some kind of b-movie, sci fi villain's name.. lol
 
Ok lets break it down. How would Roger deal with the leg meta game that Gordan brings. Roger is Roger and I'm not saying he cant do it at all. I would bet on Roger, just curious what approach he would take. Never seen him deal with this.
He seems to pressure pass super low in on his knees so that helps prevent some entries. He is super good at dealing with butterfly guard (when pressure passing you end up in half *or* butterfly so that's one of his specialities) so he is well equipped to deal with Gordon butterfly without giving up a leg attack. I would assume he would do a ton of positional training in the leg lock positions to escape them. He has some interest in escaping those (has uploaded a good escape and promised more). I use a kneebar and ankle lock escape from Roger and they are excellent so he is good at escaping ibjjf leg locks (the last time he got tapped in competition was by ankle lock at blue belt so it seems it left a bad taste. Also he could get like Eddie Cummings to help him prepare.
 
After seeing what Roger did to Buchecha, who could probably beat anyone else in the world open weight under ibjjf rules, the simple fact is that Roger is simply on another planet compared to everyone else.

If it's in the gi specifically though. If it's no-gi the question is closer, i could see an argument for Gordon actually having an advantage even.

Well, you can't ignore the size factor either; even without being a 'specialist' in nogi he still beat Jacare in his openweight ADCC run, along with Doom and Xande as well. He's not just a big guy, he's a supernally talented big guy.
 
I think Gordon should be favored.

He would work his front headlock stuff on Roger from standing and work to his back like we've seen him do a ton of times.
Or catch a heel hooks off a leg entanglement Roger is not familiar with.

He is to, big, fast, strong, along with razor sharp technique. I don't think Roger can handle that No-Gi at this point. Slow starter, and not super athletic.

Keep in mind I said the same thing about Roger vs Buchecha though- I was literally saying how is Buchecha going to escape this as Roger was sinking the choke, I never thought he would tap. To much in his favor.

Roger is Roger, you can't bet against him.
 
Gordon seemed a lot faster at 88 at the adcc then at ultra heavyweight at the pans. Physically I would guesd Roger would have the advantage (btw he is actually surprisingly fast on the rare occasion he scrambles but plays a slow considerate game on purpose). Haven't rolled with either but it's not certain you will be a lot stronger at the same wieght from some stupid bodybuilding routine and ld50 steroid regimen than from a lifetime of hard as fuck rolling. I can imagine Roger getting leg locked (he posted a roll where badly outmatched Braulio caught him from inverted closed guard) but I would be who a schocked if Gordon overpowered him.
 
Gordon seemed a lot faster at 88 at the adcc then at ultra heavyweight at the pans. Physically I would guesd Roger would have the advantage (btw he is actually surprisingly fast on the rare occasion he scrambles but plays a slow considerate game on purpose). Haven't rolled with either but it's not certain you will be a lot stronger at the same wieght from some stupid bodybuilding routine and ld50 steroid regimen than from a lifetime of hard as fuck rolling. I can imagine Roger getting leg locked (he posted a roll where badly outmatched Braulio caught him from inverted closed guard) but I would be who a schocked if Gordon overpowered him.

If Roger could match physical attributes with Gordon that would really be something. Your talking about the #1 or #2 No-Gi grappler in the world, nearing his peak physically at 23, competing constantly and very "enhanced" (allegedly) vs a guy in his late 30's who's been retired for a few years. I'm sure grappling his whole life has made Roger strong but it's had to have taken a toll on his body also. Gordon is still toward the beginning stages of this, where he's probably experiencing almost only benefits.

I'm as big a Roger fan as anyone but if you give these guys equal technique, Gordon wins 9/10. Same with Buchecha.

It's not like it's going to happen anyway, they probably train together when Roger is at Renzo's. I've seen Gordon speak highly of Roger on Instagram, maybe called him GOAT
 
I don't think the Renzo connection would stop them from fighting. The fact that Roger will probably never compete no gi again is what will kill this imo.
 
"Gordan" sounds like some kind of b-movie, sci fi villain's name.. lol

Lol I think I prefer "Gordan" to the real Gordon personality that we see.

Great grappler though
 
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