Rogan says Ngannou is perfect speciesman for HW. How could he be physically better?

[cmw43]

the downplay of Ngannou on here isn't surprising

you have people here saying Brock would beat him.

BROCK.

the guy who runs away when he gets punched <45>

That was post stomach surgery Brock. He proved he could stand in the Hunt fight, absolute masterclass.

 

[immyaxl]

He says Ngannous is a natural 265lber cutting a little or no weight to make 265lbs, is mostly muscle. Important note Francis did weigh in the high 250s before as I recall


Anyone know what is the lightest Francis ever weighed?


Id say be 6"6, with 86 inch reach. Francis could be taller, 6"4 is still in the range of average for a HW

He could start by improving his cardio and learning how to grapple.

 

[Swepingright]

I might argue some of his power is surplus and could be traded against more cardio-friendly builds to create a somewhat more optimal build overall.

Of course, if he is KTFOing people in R1 or R2 it might end up being a moot point.

Was the second Stipe fight first time he kicked high?

 

[Oceanmachine]

Okay...

Stipe: 6'4", 234, 80"
Francis: 6'4", 263, 83"
Brock: 6'3", 280-285, 81"
Mirko: 6'2", 234, 73"
Nog: 6'3", 240, 78"
Mir: 6'3", 262, 79"
Bigfoot: 6'4", 265+, 80"
Nelson: 6'0", 265+, 72"

I'll give you that Stipe has the reach and height of a HW, but he still isn't "big" compared to his opponents. I don't know what else to call him but a small HW because I feel like if he were any smaller he'd be a LHW. If you're under 230 I think you go to LHW and he's right there. People cut from 195-200 to hit 170, so he may be able to. But you're right, his frame is not small -- he's tall and long like a HW.

My point is the era of small HW like Fedor size is over. DC was heavier and way stronger than Fedor and similar height he is an exception,

STIPE was also 246lbs when he beat Ngannou, 246lbs when he beat Overeem, 246lbs when he beat Dos Santos, 241lbs when he beat Werdum. He was 242 when he lost to DC, most of his career he was around 245lbs, this is arguagably the end of his career and he has been coming in skinnier, weaker, and now look.


You also forgot UBEREEM 6´4, 80 inch reach, and 262lbs to 270lbs

Big Foot was 290lbs in the Cage in his prime, or 295 even, and Brock was 280 to 290

Derick Lewis is 285 to 290 I recall

These are massive HW but I guess yeah Stipe is small in weight but not height and frame

 

[immyaxl]

No he is not. And the competition was weaker back then and brock tested for roids



Brock coulsnt make the NFL and tested positive for banned subtances thus cheating and was arrested in College for banned subtances his body was built on drugs. To favor Brock who is afraid to get hit, cant handle pain and sat down and got beat by Overeem is delusion or maybe just racism projection to downplay the 1st African champion and to favor a big white man over a black one.

If you think Ngannou is clean I've got some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

 

[Oceanmachine]

If you think Ngannou is clean I've got some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

Well he passes USADA unlock the others

 

[tramendous]

Brock should come back and take the title from Ngannou, it will be like the hunt fight.

i might have agreed before Ngannou showcased his Olympic gold medal level wrestling.

 

[User4908]

No he is not. And the competition was weaker back then and brock tested for roids



Brock coulsnt make the NFL and tested positive for banned subtances thus cheating and was arrested in College for banned subtances his body was built on drugs. To favor Brock who is afraid to get hit, cant handle pain and sat down and got beat by Overeem is delusion or maybe just racism projection to downplay the 1st African champion and to favor a big white man over a black one.

1. Lol at playing the race card on me when I’m not even close to being white.

2. Brock didn’t make the NFL because he wasn’t a skilled football player you idiot, his combine numbers and overall physical abilities were freakish even by NFL standards… for a 300lbs guy to run a 4.6 is PHENOMENAL.

3. I’m starting to think YOU might be the racist here… you’re simply downplaying Brock because he’s white and stereotyping Ngannou as the better athlete by default… “he’s black so he must be athletic and explosive derp”


Get off that cuck shit and learn about athletics Bruv:

Ngannou is powerful but he’s got NO ATHLETICISM to his game outside of power in short bursts… No agility, endurance, speed, coordination, etc. He wouldn’t even get invited to try out for the CFL lol

 

[HP_Nut]

He could have good cardio.

I think he's too muscular which isn't good for cardio. Granted, he's been mostly able to TKO guys within 2 rds but if someone takes him into rds 3-5, I see his cardio as vulnerable. Only twice has his fights gone past 2 rds. Lewis fight went 3 rds but neither guy did anything so not a good indicator of cardio, Stipe took him to 5 rds & he seemed gassed out pretty fast

 

[Oceanmachine]

1. Lol at playing the race card on me when I’m not even close to being white.

2. Brock didn’t make the NFL because he wasn’t a skilled football player you idiot, his combine numbers and overall physical abilities were freakish even by NFL standards… for a 300lbs guy to run a 4.6 is PHENOMENAL.

3. I’m starting to think YOU might be the racist here… you’re simply downplaying Brock because he’s white and stereotyping Ngannou as the better athlete by default… “he’s black so he must be athletic and explosive derp”


Get off that cuck shit and learn about athletics Bruv:

Ngannou is powerful but he’s got NO ATHLETICISM to his game outside of power in short bursts… No agility, endurance, speed, coordination, etc. He wouldn’t even get invited to try out for the CFL lol

yeah you are a hater and i think have to dislike ngannou for racist reasons saying he isnt at all athletic

 

[Oceanmachine]

I think he's too muscular which isn't good for cardio. Granted, he's been mostly able to TKO guys within 2 rds but if someone takes him into rds 3-5, I see his cardio as vulnerable. Only twice has his fights gone past 2 rds. Lewis fight went 3 rds but neither guy did anything so not a good indicator of cardio, Stipe took him to 5 rds & he seemed gassed out pretty fast

GSP had a ton of muscle for his division and had fine cardio

 

[User4908]

yeah you are a hater and i think have to dislike ngannou for racist reasons saying he isnt at all athletic

You’re just ignorant. I have a feeling you’ve NEVER played or even follow any real sports.

To compare Ngannou to a freak like Brock in terms of pure athletics is like comparing a Ford Escort to a Ferrari… there’s nothing to be discussed.


PS as a purist I couldn’t stand what Brock did to MMA with the whole “WWE heel” aspect he brought to it, BUT to deny that he is the most athletic Heavyweight to ever compete in MMA is just moronic.

 

[immyaxl]

Well he passes USADA unlock the others

USADA passes who they want to

 

[Texan6533]

You’re just ignorant. I have a feeling you’ve NEVER played or even follow any real sports.

To compare Ngannou to a freak like Brock in terms of pure athletics is like comparing a Ford Escort to a Ferrari… there’s nothing to be discussed.


PS as a purist I couldn’t stand what Brock did to MMA with the whole “WWE heel” aspect he brought to it, BUT to deny that he is the most athletic Heavyweight to ever compete in MMA is just moronic.

I think you’re right, but with Kevin Randleman up there too ( I know he spent most of his career at LHW, but fought around 215 for a few fights at HW too)

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

GSP had a ton of muscle for his division and had fine cardio

GSP's division was also 50 pounds lighter. A muscular WW is going to have better cardio for their division than a muscular HW for theirs -- you need only look at marathon runners and triathletes to see that. In MMA there's a balance between power and endurance, go too far in either direction and you become vulnerable.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Pretty sure Rogan said the same about overeem, Cain, Brock and stipe at some point as well

 

[Sanserif]

Brock should come back and take the title from Ngannou, it will be like the hunt fight.

Lesnar was defeated easily by overeem. Ngannou would likely destroy lesnar within the first 30 seconds of the first round.

 

[Sanserif]

1. Lol at playing the race card on me when I’m not even close to being white.

2. Brock didn’t make the NFL because he wasn’t a skilled football player you idiot, his combine numbers and overall physical abilities were freakish even by NFL standards… for a 300lbs guy to run a 4.6 is PHENOMENAL.

3. I’m starting to think YOU might be the racist here… you’re simply downplaying Brock because he’s white and stereotyping Ngannou as the better athlete by default… “he’s black so he must be athletic and explosive derp”


Get off that cuck shit and learn about athletics Bruv:

Ngannou is powerful but he’s got NO ATHLETICISM to his game outside of power in short bursts… No agility, endurance, speed, coordination, etc. He wouldn’t even get invited to try out for the CFL lol

There is no single standard for athleticism. Ngannou is more athletic than lesnar at the striking arts.

 

[VAfan]

once in human history.

 

[Sanserif]

You’re just ignorant. I have a feeling you’ve NEVER played or even follow any real sports.

To compare Ngannou to a freak like Brock in terms of pure athletics is like comparing a Ford Escort to a Ferrari… there’s nothing to be discussed.


PS as a purist I couldn’t stand what Brock did to MMA with the whole “WWE heel” aspect he brought to it, BUT to deny that he is the most athletic Heavyweight to ever compete in MMA is just moronic.

There is no single standard for athleticism. For striking ngannou is far more athletic.