Media Rogan claimed Ronda could beat "50 % of male bw" - Masvidal reality checks

TerrorTimmy said:
She is definitely not more skilled than 50% of male bantamweights.

Her striking is probably the worst of any fighter ever to fight in the UFC. Conversely, the male bantamweights division is probably the most stacked, most skilled division in the promotion. Everybody can strike. Everybody can grapple. Some are specialists in one or the other, but every guy can do both. Ronda can't strike. Is she better at judo than most guys? Sure. But this is MMA, not judo. Her overall skills are not higher than male bantamweights and certainly not higher than 50% of the most stacked and skilled division in MMA.

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
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I meant skilled in grappling.
Her striking sucks, has always sucked and will always suck.


People seem to be missing my point.

The UFC hires awful fighters, probably to just keep the monopoly going.

This has less to do with Ronda and more to do with the lower end of UFC competition is pretty fucking bad.

She dies against anyone that is even mildly near the top 10.

That said, she has the distinct style to get around the physical advantages.

People say Nunes would have a better chance than Ronda and I heavily beg to differ.

Nunes relies on her physicality and is rather sloppy.

A fast armbar can catch almost anyone if the timing is right.
 
Nathan LaMontagne said:
This has less to do with Ronda and more to do with the lower end of UFC competition is pretty fucking bad.
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You'd be right for almost any division except for bantamweight. There are plenty of unranked bantamweights who would be top fighters skillwise in other division.
 
rhonda was a true product of the ufc hype machine - without the skills and longevity to carry her through some real challenging competition.....
 
Dionysian said:
While most of what you said is true Rogan is more important to the whole compared to how he is as an individual.

Rogan may largely be a sounding board for his bosses in the UFC and pushed no-talent asses like Schaub, but that is small potatoes for helping to create more democratic (yes, small d) narratives culture-wide. What I mean by that, is conversations unrelegated by state media (popularizing podcasts as a medium) while prior to Rogan the state media had nearly 100% narrative control. Back then it was only the handful of complicit news channels that manufactured nearly all "truth" in American society.

Breaking that horrible soul-constricting monopoly is bigger than Rogan, bigger than any of us. But thanks has to go to Rogan (despite the other flaws which you mentioned) for denting that larger evil.
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State media? Really?

Do words have meaning anymore?
 
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Rousey and Nunes could probably beat CM Punk. Dude made Mike Jackson who wasn't even really trying look like peak Anderson Silva. That's it though
 
bjjwar said:
Bro, Weili is 1,60m and 50 kg lol.

Nunes could very well beat some small guys out there, but Weili, depending how big you are, no way. She's like a fly for average guys...
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lol I am sorry, but no. Average guy in the US (5'9") in shape would on average be 125-168 pounds.

She is likely about 125-130 walking around.

In the average-small guy realm, she could kick some ass for sure. She probably kicks your average guy on the street's ass in China where guys have a lower average height and weight.

She can lift overweight Shaq and walking around-weight Francis; like lift them off the ground. How many guys can do that? Your average guy could come nowhere near it. How many guys can lift a person off the ground that is the same weight in proportion, in other words a 200-pound guy lifting a 600-pound man? Only out of the ordinary strength can do that, especially the kind of awkward weight that a body is.

Try lifting this guy off the ground. His man-boobs alone would be too heavy for most guys:
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Nathan LaMontagne said:
I meant skilled in grappling.
Her striking sucks, has always sucked and will always suck.


People seem to be missing my point.

The UFC hires awful fighters, probably to just keep the monopoly going.

This has less to do with Ronda and more to do with the lower end of UFC competition is pretty fucking bad.

She dies against anyone that is even mildly near the top 10.

That said, she has the distinct style to get around the physical advantages.

People say Nunes would have a better chance than Ronda and I heavily beg to differ.

Nunes relies on her physicality and is rather sloppy.

A fast armbar can catch almost anyone if the timing is right.
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I doubt there's anyone on the current UFC roster she could beat. The lighter weight classes are deep. An untrained male or a can on the regional circuit, sure.
 
Gamer2k4 said:
Maybe it'll sound arrogant, but I truly believe most men with any degree of athleticism would be able to handle any of the female UFC fighters. All that speed and power that looks so terrifying against 135 pound women isn't going to be the same against a 200+ pound guy.

We've seen power not translate just going up a weight class, say, from 145 to 155. Why in the world would it be any different when the weight differential is 50+ pounds and not just 10? And when it's a woman against a man?
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Because there's some people that think UFC fighters are superheroes. These same people think UFC fighters can take people who wield knives. You're not sounding arrogant, you're applying logic.
 
Gamer2k4 said:
But the difference gender makes is more than you'd think. Professional female athletes are roughly equivalent to the better male high school athletes. And once you're talking combat sports, weight is a huge deal; if it wasn't, there wouldn't be weight classes, or at least they wouldn't be so close together. You give the example of a 130-pound man, but look on Google - the average adult male, at least in the USA, IS about 200 pounds. A 130-pound man is TINY, and is absolutely one of those outliers that could fall outside of the "most men with any degree of athleticism" generalization that I used.

As far as takedowns and leg kicks, sure, let a female fighter take me down. Now I'm grabbing her, and there's nothing but the difference in strength - one I have a massive advantage in. Or let her throw some leg kicks. I'll get some bruises, and again, I'll take advantage of the closeness to grab her and nullify the skill difference. Even things like submissions, that theoretically should be about leverage and technique rather than strength, fail against someone sufficiently larger or stronger than you.

I've done judo for years. I've rolled with women, many of them more technically skilled than me. And it's nothing like going against a guy. Not even close.
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To be fair the average American male is only 200lbs because he's carrying extra blubbage. The average male in shape would be 5'9 and about 165lbs. Pathetic compared to Sherdog standards I know. That being said, 165lbs and in good shape is still enough to be dangerous for most women in a fight. You're spot on when it comes to the differences when it comes to the gender differences. There's a reason why guys have to spar completely differently when they're training with females.
 
blaseblase said:
I doubt there's anyone on the current UFC roster she could beat. The lighter weight classes are deep. An untrained male or a can on the regional circuit, sure.[/Netflix.
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That's why I used Kris moutinho as an example, he is just a regional fighter. But still made the roster officially.
 
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Portland8242 said:
That's the funny thing. If it's not untrained males, Weili is toast. A big dude who's been in some street fights could dispatch Weili within seconds. Imagine Derrick Lewis before his MMA career when he was going to prison and shit. In what world do you see any world-class trained female stand any sort of chance against that? Doesn't matter if it's Amanda Nunes or whoever the fuck.
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe.
 
Lee_ said:
lol I am sorry, but no. Average guy in the US (5'9") in shape would on average be 125-168 pounds.

She is likely about 125-130 walking around.

In the average-small guy realm, she could kick some ass for sure. She probably kicks your average guy on the street's ass in China where guys have a lower average height and weight.

She can lift overweight Shaq and walking around-weight Francis; like lift them off the ground. How many guys can do that? Your average guy could come nowhere near it. How many guys can lift a person off the ground that is the same weight in proportion, in other words a 200-pound guy lifting a 600-pound man? Only out of the ordinary strength can do that, especially the kind of awkward weight that a body is.

Try lifting this guy off the ground. His man-boobs alone would be too heavy for most guys:
mgypjAI.jpg
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Wrapping your arms around that behemoth would be a challenge.
 
Lee_ said:
lol I am sorry, but no. Average guy in the US (5'9") in shape would on average be 125-168 pounds.

She is likely about 125-130 walking around.

In the average-small guy realm, she could kick some ass for sure. She probably kicks your average guy on the street's ass in China where guys have a lower average height and weight.

She can lift overweight Shaq and walking around-weight Francis; like lift them off the ground. How many guys can do that? Your average guy could come nowhere near it. How many guys can lift a person off the ground that is the same weight in proportion, in other words a 200-pound guy lifting a 600-pound man? Only out of the ordinary strength can do that, especially the kind of awkward weight that a body is.

Try lifting this guy off the ground. His man-boobs alone would be too heavy for most guys:
mgypjAI.jpg
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Looool at lifting Shaq, she barely got 1 leg off the ground... And the average weight for a guy in the US is 180 lbs. Lol again at 125 lbs for an average man. I don't know 1 guy who weights that, only girls.

I'm 6ft4 and lift my gf who is 120 lbs off the ground with 1 arm. She trains everyday and is pretty fit, not Weili fit of course, but come on, this is a joke...
 
HOLA said:
But his "comedy" specials are embarrassing too!

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i find it impossible to find 'tough guys' funny. same with hot chicks, they just can't quite pull it off. sometimes i think you have to be strange looking to be funny.
 
bjjwar said:
Looool at lifting Shaq, she barely got 1 leg off the ground... And the average weight for a guy in the US is 180 lbs. Lol again at 125 lbs for an average man. I don't know 1 guy who weights that, only girls.

I'm 6ft4 and lift my gf who is 120 lbs off the ground with 1 arm. She trains everyday and is pretty fit, not Weili fit of course, but come on, this is a joke...
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lol at seeing what you wanted to see and minimizing what Welli did. She didn't pick Shaq up as cleanly as Francis, but Francis is nearly 300 pounds walking around, so you aren't able to minimize that; you also do nothing to refute the idea that most guys couldn't lift them, and very few guys could lift nearly 3 times their weight like she did.

What you did was take the low end of my range and say "Guys aren't that small," which is silly. 125-168 is an average RANGE (do you know what a range is?) for the average height of a man (5'9").

The average weight of a man (the 180 pounds you state) is totally irrelevant because the overwhelming majority are carrying extra weight for their size, some a huge amount of extra weight which drives averages up. Notice I said "average guy in shape." It doesn't add to your strength to carry fat.

I'm not sure what being 6'4" and lifting you small girlfriend off the ground has anything to do with this. Is she three times your weight?
 
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