RIZIN Is the Future ... The UFC's Days Are Numbered

[Khaosan]

Even with weebage at an all time high, it’s not happening, bro.

Quiet Shido.

 

[markys00]

A different (respectable) culture's MMA is not going to suddenly get popular in the beer-swilling, U.Fight.Cheap.

U fight cheap?
Hahahahah did you just make that up yourself? Joe Rogan should have you on his podcast! Wait till I tell my kids!

 

[HHJ]

You don't get it, better society (don't look at the forests or birth rate) = more popularity.

There's an MMA juggernaut in Norway just about ready to explode onto the scene.

K.

 

[Siver!]

Why not? It's the era of the internet people can watch things from all over the world. And Japan has an actual functioning society; maybe not like it was at it's peak but leagues beyond the western world.

Well start with the fact that Rizin is a modern day regional-level promotion.

They aren't even international.

Work from there.

You'd have to combine a bunch of these kinds of promotions to realistically compete with the UFC which isn't likely.

It's like wrestling fans telling everyone AEW is about to usurp the UFC because they, personally, prefer it.

Let's be honest, it's fanfic.

 

[HHJ]

If tommorow, rizin got all the fighters contracted to the UFC, unfortunately MMA as a whole would become alot less popular everywhere outside of Japan/Asia. The diehards might tune in, but probably even some of them would give up if they had to watch live events from Japan at ungodly hours in the morning.

 

[colorles]

Well start with the fact that Rizin is a modern day regional-level promotion.

They aren't even international.

Work from there.

You'd have to combine a bunch of these kinds of promotions to realistically compete with the UFC which isn't likely.

It's like wrestling fans telling everyone AEW is about to usurp the UFC because they, personally, prefer it.

Let's be honest, it's fanfic.

"Regional" is a buzzword when their "region" is a homogeneous nation of over a 100 million people.

UFC is nothing compared to that. UFC might be worth more money in the way a sack of cocaine is worth more than a sack of rice; but only one of those things feeds a nation.

 

[Siver!]

"Regional" is a buzzword when their "region" is a homogeneous nation of over a 100 million people.

UFC is nothing compared to that. UFC might be worth more money in the way a sack of cocaine is worth more than a sack of rice; but only one of those things feeds a nation.

If it upsets you less, you may call them a national level promotion, I make little distinction.

The point is, Rizin FF are rivals to Oktagon, KSW and ACA.

If you combined the 4, made that single entity fully international with regular fight cards at a high level, you'd be halfway to competing with the UFC. The talent pool would be rich, the shows would still be epic in terms of production, but you'd have a long, long way to go to get to the point fighters of a reasonable standing would consider leaving the UFC for you for anything other than money.

If you can't take their talent on merit, you're not competing.

 

[colorles]

If it upsets you less, you may call them a national level promotion, I make little distinction.

The point is, Rizin FF are rivals to Oktagon, KSW and ACA.

If you combined the 4, made that single entity fully international with regular fight cards at a high level, you'd be halfway to competing with the UFC. The talent pool would be rich, the shows would still be epic in terms of production, but you'd have a long, long way to go to get to the point fighters of a reasonable standing would consider leaving the UFC for you for anything other than money.

If you can't take their talent on merit, you're not competing.

Those four organizations are not "competing" with the UFC though; they are dominating their domestic markets while UFC slowly declines. Do you really think the Japanese populace gives a damn that the level of fighters in RIZIN is all and all lower than UFC? No, they don't give a fuck. They want to watch their own compete. They want a good show. And they are getting it.

I could see a future where the UFC continues to decline just like the western world; while those four organizations you listed will continue to thrive in their own homelands.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

I like Rizin, they put on good cards but expecting Rizin level production quality from the UFC when they put on 3-4 fight nights a month plus a PPV is kind of unrealistic. I mean yeah, the UFC could hypothetically do big shows like Rizin more often but they won't cause it's not profitable and when it comes to Dana and the UFC as we all know, Profit>Quality.

 

[Siver!]

Those four organizations are not "competing" with the UFC though; they are dominating their domestic markets while UFC slowly declines. Do you really think the Japanese populace gives a damn that the level of fighters in RIZIN is all and all lower than UFC? No, they don't give a fuck. They want to watch their own compete. They want a good show. And they are getting it.

I could see a future where the UFC continues to decline just like the western world; while those four organizations you listed will continue to thrive in their own homelands.

I hadn't realized you were just gibbering on about nationalism, sorry.

I thought we were actually discussing whether Rizin can compete with/replace the UFC (they can't), and how they might get there if they ever wanted to (which is unrealistic, but possible).

You do you, bro. "Western decline" away with your nationalist isolationist fantasy.

 

[colorles]

I hadn't realized you were just gibbering on about nationalism, sorry.

I thought we were actually discussing whether Rizin can compete with/replace the UFC (they can't), and how they might get there if they ever wanted to (which is unrealistic, but possible).

You do you, bro. "Western decline" away with your nationalist isolationist fantasy.

Like I said, they don't have to compete when they have their own homeland.

I'm about ready to call these lads the master fucking race because they get it. Japan for the Japanese and they put their own people first. Meanwhile Americans are competing with the rest of the fucking world to fucking live in their own country. Because...money knows know loyalty, creed or ethnic background. The west would sell out their own blood for a nickel.

 

[Siver!]

Like I said, they don't have to compete when they have their own homeland.

I'm about ready to call these lads the master fucking race because they get it.

But they do have to compete if the thread title is "Rizin is the future, the UFC's days are numbered".

Which it is.

Multinational mega corps aren't going to die overnight because you personally prefer domestic products.

By all means, if people wanna consume domestically that's a good thing, I agree with it and like it, but it's not going to be the end of multinationals especially in the entertainment industry. I suppose it's worth being glad you can watch those promotions as well as the UFC and make your choice. For me, what you're angling it would only work if it was a 'one of the other' situation, which it simply isn't.

 

[MidgardSerpent]

High functioning society?? Didn't someone murder the former prime minister of Japan recently?

He didn't claim nothing bad ever happened in a place with over 100 million people. The political murder was shocking precisely because it was an anomaly in a high-functioning society. It was also the catalyst for legal reforms to create more separation between religious parties and political groups.

 

[Neck&Neck]

 

[nostradumbass]

UFC's revenue is literally 10x more than Rizin's, and they literally only have 11 fighters on the roster above LW.

 

[Tweak896]

Unfortunately business is strictly spend less and make more. Chances are no matter the production it's only going to return so much. UFC is getting equivalent of 500k PPV buys for putting on anything.

I would love more heart and soul put into the sport like One, but you have to question whether that's enough. One has been running longer than Pride, but does really have the roster or fans like Pride had? Hope UFC gets real competition but it'll be a long wait until someone else puts up something to compete like Pride did with UFC.

 

[HHJ]

Profit>Quality.

That's not the whole thing.


USA fans on the whole don't need all that stuff. We would still watch if they put no effort into that whatsoever. We just want to watch fights at the end of the day.

Yes what pride/rizin does is awesome, but it's just not needed. I think it's a small minority (the kind that actually watch rizin) who care.

And even if they did appease those fans, do you know what the first thing you will all say when they do it?

"Cringe. Rizin does it better"

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Rizin (and Dream) always had Pride level production, it was the talent that was lacking in comparison, foreign talent especially.

 

[HHJ]

Rizin (and Dream) always had Pride level production, it was the talent that was lacking in comparison, foreign talent especially.

Dream had good talent in the lighter weight classes

 

[Poirierfan]

That's only true if you're building on top of ruins. Literally move next door.
The UFC isn't going anywhere soon. I'm a PRIDE diehard and I accepted that many many moons ago.
The UFC will continue it's slog and while its corporatization will affect the quality of the product until there is an actual negative repercussion from it, until then we'll have our fight night trajectory with 3 good fights a month and we'll enjoy it.

Enjoy RIZIN for what it is, a unique Eastern promotion attempting to keep the spirit of PRIDE alive.
Plus, Jiri and Mark Coleman playing drums.
I take it back OP, burn it all down.


Mark coming out on stage in Japan 25 years after winning the 2000 OWGP is fuckin great. I love Japan.

I saw Coleman and Belfort in New Orleans when Pedro Rizzo fought Dan Severn. It's like a dream now. They were just hanging out in the audience, the good ole days.