Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[OldGoat]

Fuck off and educate yourself. This thread wasn't created for your convenience.

Someone has a potty mouth. I suppose profanity conveys a certain street tough edginess that is invaluable on the net. It's my understanding that such anger has also worked its way into college debates.

 

[OldGoat]

I agree with this.

At the end of the day, this is just one case and has been blown up and made into a race issue. The officer involved will go to court and stand a fair trial, the facts will come to light and evidence presented in front of a judge and jury and he will be judged. Should be left at that.

Fair trial? Lol.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

Well, I supposed they could furrow their collective brows and write a strongly worded letter. That should probably ensure that appropriate attention is paid to a black male being gunned down by police, as it always is.



Disproportionate to what? The problem of abuse of police authority in african american neighborhoods itself? Or whatever other problem you can attach more seriousness to when you don't want to deal with an issue?



So don't protest the cops because they'll be even worse to you?

Okay.

Don't protest cops because they are public servants trying to protect you. We make cops out to be the bad guys then wonder why only people with chips on their shoulder want to be cops.

Disproportionate to how big the problem actually is. Everyones sign says "don't shoot me" "I'm black don't shoot me" "hands up don't shoot". Like I said, in the last four years >1000 people have been gunned down and murdered in the greater STL area. One person was possibly murdered by cops and this garned more response than the other 1000 murders combined. Shrewd logic.

Yes, a letter would be more appropriate than a riot. And the riot did recieve a response and it was nothing positive.

 

[Just a username]

Sounds like thinking its different is what's racist. Why do you dislike equality?

Damn, you really deserve your own IDL thread. All you do is troll.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Fuck off and educate yourself. This thread wasn't created for your convenience.

LOL! Reminds me of this:

"Life does not stop and start at your convenience, you miserable piece of shit."

 

[Captain Davis]

Ohhh, so that's why the cop robbed Brown and then shoved him. Good sense.

Dude was a shit stain on society. He disobeyed the officer and I have no doubt that he didn't shy away from any physical altercation. He thought he was a big, badass and was called on his bluff.

 

[OldGoat]

Don't protest cops because they are public servants trying to protect you. We make cops out to be the bad guys then wonder why only people with chips on their shoulder want to be cops.

Disproportionate to how big the problem actually is. Everyones sign says "don't shoot me" "I'm black don't shoot me" "hands up don't shoot". Like I said, in the last four years >1000 people have been gunned down and murdered in the greater STL area. One person was possibly murdered by cops and this garned more response than the other 1000 murders combined. Shrewd logic.

Yes, a letter would be more appropriate than a riot. And the riot did recieve a response and it was nothing positive.

It shouldn't happen and when it does the "blue line" shouldn't collude to cheat justice. Institutions protect themselves and that's why people get frustrated.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Dude was a shit stain on society. He disobeyed the officer and I have no doubt that he didn't shy away from any physical altercation. He thought he was a big, badass and was called on his bluff.

Would you say that there any crimes for which the death penalty is not appropriate? Also. is it better for cops to just determine who should live or die or do you like the idea of trials?

 

[OldGoat]

Damn, you really deserve your own IDL thread. All you do is troll.

Hmm I'm not the one advocating different standards for different groups.

 

[Just a username]

Hmm I'm not the one advocating different standards for different groups.

Whatever man, i'm not gonna bite.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

It shouldn't happen and when it does the "blue line" shouldn't collude to cheat justice. Institutions protect themselves and that's why people get frustrated.

Please tell me about this collusion and cheating justice.

 

[OldGoat]

Please tell me about this collusion and cheating justice.

There was a link in this very thread about a man being beat by police and then charged with damaging their uniforms with his blood. And then they lied at trial about it. You keep living in a bubble though.

 

[afrdzak]

Are you denying this to be true? What happens when a white person goes up to a black person and says the N word to them? They get punched in the face and called a RACIST. What happens when it's a black person? It's camaraderie for some.

What happens when a white person shoots a black person? RACIST!

What happens when a black person shoots a black person? It's another statistic.

The double-standard is blatantly evident and I'm not the first person here to mention nor notice this. I don't believe one race is superior than other, that's the definition of 'racist', but I do know what hypocrisy is.

I ask again, are you denying this to be true?

I would say context is key here. I grew up with many black friends (I am not black). We would call each other the N word. I never use the word anymore, but when I was younger, we thought it was "cool". In fact, most black people I know rarely use the word anymore, either.

Ever called a friend a "mother fucker" in a non-disparaging way? Ever used the same term while applying a negative connotation? I know I have. Context.

It isn't necessarily the word, but how it is used. The word "bad" does not always mean "bad" in the traditional sense.
To quote Run DMC: Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good

There have been multiple instances of whites killing blacks and vice-versa that are not considered racist crimes.

People just choose to find racism when they want to go looking for it. It's not a double standard, it's cherry picking instances that fit your confirmation bias and using that as your litmus test.

 

[Prokofievian]

Someone has a potty mouth. I suppose profanity conveys a certain street tough edginess that is invaluable on the net. It's my understanding that such anger has also worked its way into college debates.

What happens when someone does what Gooner does? The conversation becomes about answering his questions and concerns, exclusively. He doesn't have to accept anything, because you are now marching to the beat of his drum. It is an old and tired tactic that no one who's discussed social issues at any length has any patience left for.

The minimum that could be expected of someone discussing police brutality and the african american community is to educate themselves on the oppression faced by said community, both historically and now. Wouldn't you agree? Why should it therefore be anyone else's responsibility to do what he could not do for himself? I'm sorry, but if you can't be bothered, then you don't get to sit at the table.

 

[Captain Davis]

Would you say that there any crimes for which the death penalty is not appropriate? Also. is it better for cops to just determine who should live or die or do you like the idea of trials?

Sure, but fighting an on duty police officer is a crap shoot. I wouldn't recommend it. I would suggest obey the officers orders. If you feel like you are mistreated, go through the process and file a complaint. It might be a pain in the ass, but it certainly beats the possible alternative.

 

[theocean]

I would say context is key here. I grew up with many black friends (I am not black). We would call each other the N word. I never use the word anymore, but when I was younger, we thought it was "cool". In fact, most black people I know rarely use the word anymore, either.

Ever called a friend a "mother fucker" in a non-disparaging way? Ever used the same term while applying a negative connotation? I know I have. Context.

It isn't necessarily the word, but how it is used. The word "bad" does not always mean "bad" in the traditional sense.
To quote Run DMC: Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good

There have been multiple instances of whites killing blacks and vice-versa that are not considered racist crimes.

People just choose to find racism when they want to go looking for it. It's not a double standard, it's cherry picking instances that fit your confirmation bias and using that as your litmus test.

It does seem that most of those litmus tests involve the exact same reagents, in the same exact formulas. Time and time again.

 

[afrdzak]

It's crazy, even in this thread it's people talking about how this community needs to do this and that community needs to stop doing that, people ranting and raving about how this is all the fault of "Liberals", and now who jumped to what conclusion with new evidence.

The Police (at least it seems like it right now, if this has been shown to be incorrect I apologize) went out and started going after journalists as soon as this became a public issue. Teargassing people covering the events and confiscating their equipment? Detaining reporters who are REPORTING on the events? How can this part not be dominating the conversation at this point? Heck, at this point it seems like no one is even going to care about this part of it.

Couldn't agree more

 

[MuyThaiTom]

There was a link in this very thread about a man being beat by police and then charged with damaging their uniforms with his blood. And then they lied at trial about it. You keep living in a bubble though.

I thought you were referring to the Brown case.

I don't disagree there was wrong doing in that 2009 incident. But its cherry picking.

 

[Captain Davis]

Whatever man, i'm not gonna bite.

Because you know its a shit sandwich.

 

[afrdzak]

It does seem that most of those litmus tests involve the exact same reagents, in the same exact formulas. Time and time again.

True. And in some instances they are justified. In others, not so much.