Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[Diamond Jim]

Not correct. Assault/battery first offense on a police officer is a misdemeanor offense in most places, felony in others. The only time the fleeing felon rule applies is when the suspect presents an imminent threat to the community if that subject is allowed to escape. I don't think that applies in this situation.

The Supreme Court ruling on shooting a fleeing unarmed suspect says if he presents harm to other officers or the public. He just resisted arrest and assaulted the officer. Sounds like in a few seconds judgement call the officer could easily make the case.

 

[AgeofEmpires2**]

How do you say things like this and still vehemently deny being a racist?

Are you denying this to be true? What happens when a white person goes up to a black person and says the N word to them? They get punched in the face and called a RACIST. What happens when it's a black person? It's camaraderie for some.

What happens when a white person shoots a black person? RACIST!

What happens when a black person shoots a black person? It's another statistic.

The double-standard is blatantly evident and I'm not the first person here to mention nor notice this. I don't believe one race is superior than other, that's the definition of 'racist', but I do know what hypocrisy is.

I ask again, are you denying this to be true?

 

[Wanderlei4Life]

It has been confirmed him and his friend did rob the gas station. Missouri law states that any theft that uses force is 2nd degree felony. Which gives probable cause for a police officer to stop and arrest suspect. If suspect fights back, police can use deadly force.

In an interview with msnbc shortly after the report was released, Johnson’s lawyer confirmed that Brown had taken cigars from the store.

Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney. “We need to see that tape, my client (Dorian Johnson, friend with Michael Brown) did tell us and told the FBI that they went into the store. He told FBI that [Brown] did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-police-name-michael-brown?cid=sm_m_main_1_20140815_29822566


View with caution, body of Michael Brown in street. Appearance of Brown fits gas station appearance. https://vine.co/v/MYdX31wXJuX

 

[MuyThaiTom]

I'm so tired of people cherry picking on issues and it becoming national news.

A person is on welfare and has an escalade? Obama's a communist
A mother can't afford to feed her kids? Bush hates the poor.

Father kills thugs trying to break in home, yay gun rights.
Kid steals mothers gun and shoots school, no guns.

A middle school in San Diego wants to call their Christmas party a holiday party - War on Christians.
Someone said a prayer in a public setting - Athiests second class citizens.

Everyone is just looking to justify their narrative, political party, social class or group. Nobody has any interest in objectively determining how significant issues are in the big picture and treating issues fairly.

For every Mike Brown there are countless times police officers help, assist, save and protect. There are countless issues that put people in STL in more danger than the police yet are those issues are less covered, less protested and less discussed.

 

[Prokofievian]

I'm not focusing on race, more civilian vs police. I'm not saying it should be completely ignored. I'm saying you need to exercise some sort of context to each problem without spin.

Yes you are, or at least did. You told that hypothetical motherfucker to take her ''don't shoot me sign'' and go deal with something else.

Are you seriously saying that the black community of St Louis should just shrug and say ''just another drop in the bucket, really, lets go start an after school basketball program''?

How many of the other >1000 murder victims in the greater STL area in the last 4 years can you name without googling it? For most people it is 0 because they just didn't happen to fall into the right narrative. But yeah, police are the ones to look out for.

They're not saying ''look out for the police instead of gang members,'' they are saying that this is the culmination of a serious issue affecting their community and they'd like to see justice take its course. They have a legitimate feeling that without political action this probably won't happen, and so they are taking it.

 

[rorydaboss]

Are you denying this to be true? What happens when a white person goes up to a black person and says the N word to them? They get punched in the face and called a RACIST. What happens when it's a black person? It's camaraderie for some.

What happens when a white person shoots a black person? RACIST!

What happens when a black person shoots a black person? It's another statistic.

The double-standard is blatantly evident and I'm not the first person here to mention nor notice this. I don't believe one race is superior than other, that's the definition of 'racist', but I do know what hypocrisy is.

This is the stupidest thing I have read on the internet in a while. You don't see the difference between a white person calling a black person the n word and a black person calling another black person the n word?

 

[Jack V Savage]

So, help someone out who's clearly not part of the community, has nothing invested in the original situation at all (who's guilty of what and whether the end result was justified),

Is anyone actually going to be able to talk about how quickly the police armed up and started gassing out, shutting down and arresting journalists covering the events? Because to me that's the issue that should be talked about, that's the one that's just insane.

This is the issue, really. For most of us, anyway. That's why these cries of "oh, why do people only care when black teens get killed by cops--why doesn't everyone pay attention to (insert random white crime victim or victim of intraracial crime)?" are stupid. But people get so tied up in racial animosity that they can't bring themselves to even agree that the Ferguson PD is seriously fucked up, and that that shit should not be going down in America.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

Yes you are, or at least did. You told that hypothetical motherfucker to take her ''don't shoot me sign'' and go deal with something else.

Are you seriously saying that the black community of St Louis should just shrug and say ''just another drop in the bucket, really, lets go start an after school basketball program''?



They're not saying ''look out for the police instead of gang members,'' they are saying that this is the culmination of a serious issue affecting their community and they'd like to see justice take its course. They have a legitimate feeling that without political action this probably won't happen, and so they are taking it.

Yes you are, or at least did. You told that hypothetical motherfucker to take her ''don't shoot me sign'' and go deal with something else.

Are you seriously saying that the black community of St Louis should just shrug and say ''just another drop in the bucket, really, lets go start an after school basketball program''?

Did I call her a mfer? STL rioted and protested this death more than the last 1000 STL murders combined. There are not other possible alternative in the spectrum between completely ignore and riot? The media covered this more than the last 1000 STL murders combined. Are those victims less dead?

They're not saying ''look out for the police instead of gang members,'' they are saying that this is the culmination of a serious issue affecting their community and they'd like to see justice take its course. They have a legitimate feeling that without political action this probably won't happen, and so they are taking it

And I'm saying it is an illogical and disproporitionate response. Its like me standing in front of stampede of bulls and firing all of the bullets in my machine gun at the mosquito flying around my head.

It also has indirect negative consequences that will only harm themselves. But have fun protesting.

 

[El Chimpo]

Officer stopped him for walking in the street... didn't even know he was involved in stealing cigars

So...Why release tape then say cop didn't even know?

 

[TheFirstEMP]

typical stormfront random race bait.

is it fucked a pregnant chick got punched? yes.

is she still alive and well? yes

does that have anything to do with this thread? no

lol you lose any credibility with every post you make.

 

[OldGoat]

This is the stupidest thing I have read on the internet in a while. You don't see the difference between a white person calling a black person the n word and a black person calling another black person the n word?

Sounds like thinking its different is what's racist. Why do you dislike equality?

 

[MuyThaiTom]

Officer stopped him for walking in the street... didn't even know he was involved in stealing cigars

So...Why release tape then say cop didn't even know?

The legitimacy of the shooting completely revolves around whether or not there was a physical altercation between the officer and Brown.

Does the fact that Brown assaulted a store owner while commiting a robbery 1 hour before have no possible bearing on how he could have interacted with the cop?

 

[Ayin]

This is the issue, really. For most of us, anyway. That's why these cries of "oh, why do people only care when black teens get killed by cops--why doesn't everyone pay attention to (insert random white crime victim or victim of intraracial crime)?" are stupid. But people get so tied up in racial animosity that they can't bring themselves to even agree that the Ferguson PD is seriously fucked up, and that that shit should not be going down in America.

It's crazy, even in this thread it's people talking about how this community needs to do this and that community needs to stop doing that, people ranting and raving about how this is all the fault of "Liberals", and now who jumped to what conclusion with new evidence.

The Police (at least it seems like it right now, if this has been shown to be incorrect I apologize) went out and started going after journalists as soon as this became a public issue. Teargassing people covering the events and confiscating their equipment? Detaining reporters who are REPORTING on the events? How can this part not be dominating the conversation at this point? Heck, at this point it seems like no one is even going to care about this part of it.

 

[Captain Davis]

I'm so tired of people cherry picking on issues and it becoming national news.

A person is on welfare and has an escalade? Obama's a communist
A mother can't afford to feed her kids? Bush hates the poor.

Father kills thugs trying to break in home, yay gun rights.
Kid steals mothers gun and shoots school, no guns.

A middle school in San Diego wants to call their Christmas party a holiday party - War on Christians.
Someone said a prayer in a public setting - Athiests second class citizens.

Everyone is just looking to justify their narrative, political party, social class or group. Nobody has any interest in objectively determining how significant issues are in the big picture and treating issues fairly.

For every Mike Brown there are countless times police officers help, assist, save and protect. There are countless issues that put people in STL in more danger than the police yet are those issues are less covered, less protested and less discussed.

Murica!

 

[Goonerview]

riots happen when people are oppressed. they shouldn't but they do.

Who is oppressing who? And how exactly?? Please elaborate. I'm English and don't live in America, so please educate on this.

 

[Prokofievian]

Did I call her a mfer? STL rioted and protested this death more than the last 1000 STL murders combined. There are not other possible alternative in the spectrum between completely ignore and riot? The media covered this more than the last 1000 STL murders combined. Are those victims less dead?

Well, I supposed they could furrow their collective brows and write a strongly worded letter. That should probably ensure that appropriate attention is paid to a black male being gunned down by police, as it always is.

And I'm saying it is an illogical and disproporitionate response. Its like me standing in front of stampede of bulls and firing all of the bullets in my machine gun at the mosquito flying around my head.

Disproportionate to what? The problem of abuse of police authority in african american neighborhoods itself? Or whatever other problem you can attach more seriousness to when you don't want to deal with an issue?

It also has indirect negative consequences that will only harm themselves. But have fun protesting.

So don't protest the cops because they'll be even worse to you?

Okay.

 

[Prokofievian]

Who is oppressing who? And how exactly?? Please elaborate. I'm English and don't live in America, so please educate on this.

Fuck off and educate yourself. This thread wasn't created for your convenience.

 

[Goonerview]

I'm so tired of people cherry picking on issues and it becoming national news.

A person is on welfare and has an escalade? Obama's a communist
A mother can't afford to feed her kids? Bush hates the poor.

Father kills thugs trying to break in home, yay gun rights.
Kid steals mothers gun and shoots school, no guns.

A middle school in San Diego wants to call their Christmas party a holiday party - War on Christians.
Someone said a prayer in a public setting - Athiests second class citizens.

Everyone is just looking to justify their narrative, political party, social class or group. Nobody has any interest in objectively determining how significant issues are in the big picture and treating issues fairly.

For every Mike Brown there are countless times police officers help, assist, save and protect. There are countless issues that put people in STL in more danger than the police yet are those issues are less covered, less protested and less discussed.

I agree with this.

At the end of the day, this is just one case and has been blown up and made into a race issue. The officer involved will go to court and stand a fair trial, the facts will come to light and evidence presented in front of a judge and jury and he will be judged. Should be left at that.

 

[spamking]

So don't protest the cops because they'll be even worse to you?

Okay.

Protesting is one thing. Brazenly damaging property and looting is a completely different act IMO.

 

[Prokofievian]

Protesting is one thing. Brazenly damaging property and looting is a completely different act IMO.

Yeah, I touched on that. But homeslice here has beef with the protestors because they aren't protesting gang violence as well.