Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[logos]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/385439/looks-kill-kevin-d-williamson/page/0/1

Good right wing article on the soldier-cop phenomenon.

That's a good article, thanks.

I just don't see that attitude prevailing with the vast majority of supposed anti-government conservatives in this country. They are anti-government when it's convienent to whatever crusade they happen to be on, otherwise, they are pretty much bootlickers. They often try and jump on the Libertarian bandwagon, but their true colors are quite obvious.

 

[Prokofievian]

That is good news. The establishment media won't provide answers, but people looking for them is a good thing.

I'd like for anyone to watch this video and not wonder if there is some truth to it when viewing all the changes in society we have witnessed over the last 30 years or so. It's an hour long, but it has some of the answers people will be looking for.

Spoiler

I fucking knew it was going to be the Yuri Bezmenov video.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Maybe the libertarians are the ones with the answers!

They are in the case of prohibition. Thanks no-knock warrants at 4am.

 

[Protectandserve]

I'd also like to add that there are a few PD's here (Los Angeles county), that don't even have AR's in their vehicles. Reason? To decrease the "militarization" appearance.

And lol @ posters judging every LEO based on actions of a few

LAPD doesn't equip officers with rifles due to cost savings. It would cost a fortune to train the 10,000+ officers they have between active and reserve in a basic rifle class.

LAPD has 2 courses that officers can go through to supplement their normal shotgun with buckshot loads. They can go to a patrol rifle course, purchase an AR with a department approved letter (which is roughly a grand to 1500 out of pocket for the officer) or go to shotgun slug school and carry a Benelli M4 Shotgun with slugs(again usually purchased out of pocket by the cops).

LAPD also has a full time SWAT team that can rapidly respond, much different then the majority of mid sized departments out there.

Officers make themselves appear more militarized by sporting MARPAT camo instead of just wearing green or flat black. Also if you look at the pictures coming out of Ferguson you have cops with NVG's on. Not really practical in a well lit urban setting.

Also by over deploying weapons such as AR15's and grenade launchers(loaded with CS gas or bean bags).

 

[Amerikuracana]

That's a good article, thanks.

I just don't see that attitude prevailing with the vast majority of supposed anti-government conservatives in this country. They are anti-government when it's convienent to whatever crusade they happen to be on, otherwise, they are pretty much bootlickers. They often try and jump on the Libertarian bandwagon, but their true colors are quite obvious.

The conservative movement is designed to keep white people with a feeling of self worth and self-esteem confused so they don't organize unions or movements to combat the corporate takeover. The job is to keep them (the base) scared and angry and thinking things that contradict each other so they don't have as much common sense/critical thinking as white people are probably supposed to. Democrats are just as bad, but in different ways.

Conservatives are usually pro small government and anti big government.. Think the Koch brother types don't realize big government with the power to impose regulations on them based on the real good of the people is the target enemy? It is . "Small government" keeps local area criminals from looting Wal-Marts and can repress unrest that threatens the Oligarchy and their satellite interests, but small government doesn't have the power to stand up to the ever growing big money interests. Democrats are in on it too, but in different ways. Democrats weaken us socially.

 

[logos]

When questioned respond appropriately and don't make bad decisions that can lead to other bad decisions

What other bad decisions are you referring to?

 

[Ruprecht]

LAPD doesn't equip officers with rifles due to cost savings. It would cost a fortune to train the 10,000+ officers they have between active and reserve in a basic rifle class.

LAPD has 2 courses that officers can go through to supplement their normal shotgun with buckshot loads. They can go to a patrol rifle course, purchase an AR with a department approved letter (which is roughly a grand to 1500 out of pocket for the officer) or go to shotgun slug school and carry a Benelli M4 Shotgun with slugs(again usually purchased out of pocket by the cops).

LAPD also has a full time SWAT team that can rapidly respond, much different then the majority of mid sized departments out there.

Officers make themselves appear more militarized by sporting MARPAT camo instead of just wearing green or flat black. Also if you look at the pictures coming out of Ferguson you have cops with NVG's on. Not really practical in a well lit urban setting.

Also by over deploying weapons such as AR15's and grenade launchers(loaded with CS gas or bean bags).

Did Californian cops ever use the Remington 7600P?
I've got one, and I thought they were it's intended users.

 

[Protectandserve]

^I don't know of any agencies deploying the Remington.

 

[IDL]

I fucking knew it was going to be the Yuri Bezmenov video.

It helps to explains a lot of what we see happening in society. Good vid.

 

[Ruprecht]

^I don't know of any agencies deploying the Remington.

Marketing gimmicks...

 

[Gus Fring]

LAPD doesn't equip officers with rifles due to cost savings. It would cost a fortune to train the 10,000+ officers they have between active and reserve in a basic rifle class.

LAPD has 2 courses that officers can go through to supplement their normal shotgun with buckshot loads. They can go to a patrol rifle course, purchase an AR with a department approved letter (which is roughly a grand to 1500 out of pocket for the officer) or go to shotgun slug school and carry a Benelli M4 Shotgun with slugs(again usually purchased out of pocket by the cops).

LAPD also has a full time SWAT team that can rapidly respond, much different then the majority of mid sized departments out there.

Officers make themselves appear more militarized by sporting MARPAT camo instead of just wearing green or flat black. Also if you look at the pictures coming out of Ferguson you have cops with NVG's on. Not really practical in a well lit urban setting.

Also by over deploying weapons such as AR15's and grenade launchers(loaded with CS gas or bean bags).

I wasn't talking about the LAPD, I meant the smaller city/towns in the county of Los Angeles :icon_lol:

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-iss...ants-to-curb-military-surplus-police-program/

A Democratic congressman plans to introduce a bill to restrict a Defense Department program that provides machine guns and other surplus military equipment for free to local law enforcement agencies across the country.

The bill, to be introduced in September, targets a 24-year-old military surplus program that transfers equipment from blankets to bayonets and tanks to police and sheriff's departments across the country. An Associated Press investigation last year of the Defense Department program found that a large share of the $4.2 billion in surplus military gear distributed since 1990 went to police and sheriff's departments in rural areas with few officers and little crime.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Lulz...Fuckin place looks like vintage South Africa.

Arresting journalists...seriously?

Where is the right wing anti - government outrage?

They were all distracted by someone legally using their EBT card to buy a cut of beef that libertarians don't think poor people should be eating.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

Lulz...Fuckin place looks like vintage South Africa.

Arresting journalists...seriously?

Where is the right wing anti - government outrage?

Probably at the same place as President "Don't Bother Me, I'm On Vacation."

 

[logos]

They were all distracted by someone legally using their EBT card to buy a cut of beef that libertarians don't think poor people should be eating.

I'm sure. The fake outrage is outrageous. I don't know why they don't just come out and say what they're all about. It's not a big mystery.

 

[Pem123]

Nothing these neanderthals learn will stop their behavior from continuing. If the kid had an AK-47 and a pocket full of heroine they'll just claim the cop only stopped them because they were black.

This will end in the cop having to move and change his name just to keep from getting murdered by a bunch of thugs, even if proven that he was completely in the right. There is no useful solution in this situation.

Thats Kinda Ironic you know, Africans decent many researcher believe to have no Neanderthal DNA on them.

but many also believe they do have Erectus DNA, but don't quote me on that.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

From a police web site. I find the officer comments at the bottom insightful. As far as I know you have to be a cop to be a member and post.

http://www.policeone.com/Crowd-Control/articles/7461443-Violence-continues-in-Mo-police-protests/

Here's an idea Al/CNN. Let the protesters protest with no police around whatsoever. Missouri cops should just stay home. Let's see how that works out for ya. And Al bring your fruity coalition with you to protect the stores from getting looted and burned. Your all brothers so there's nothing to fear. Right?

That's a good idea since (as far as I know from new reports on past protests) it's usually the police presence and their tactics agitating and inciting.

 

[DoomAndDarkness**]

From a police web site. I find the officer comments at the bottom insightful. As far as I know you have to be a cop to be a member and post.

http://www.policeone.com/Crowd-Control/articles/7461443-Violence-continues-in-Mo-police-protests/




That's a good idea since (as far as I know from new reports on past protests) it's usually the police presence and their tactics agitating and inciting.

I actually support this. If a child (or a woman) is having a temper tantrum the best thing to do is ignore her. She'll give up when she realizes she isn't getting a reaction.

Let them burn down their own neighbourhood if they want. The cops should just be standing at the edge of the neighbourhood preventing any spill over into areas with people who actually deserve to breath air.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I actually support this. If a child (or a woman) is having a temper tantrum the best thing to do is ignore her. She'll give up when she realizes she isn't getting a reaction.

Let them burn down their own neighbourhood if they want. The cops should just be standing at the edge of the neighbourhood preventing any spill over into areas with people who actually deserve to breath air.

I agree that swarms of cops showing up and getting right in peoples' faces when they are unhappy with police and government is intuitively an escalation of the situation. I'd love for them to not show up. Maybe there's some stats out there on protests, riots, and the presence of police. I'd love to see the % of demonstrations that turn violent before the cops arrive compared to violence erupting after they show up.

 

[jeremyemilio]

As much as I dislike the police, we wouldn't need them if so many people weren't useless scumbags.

Yeah... but then again, some of them are useless scumbags, too.

Unfortunately, we'll never know who was the useless scumbag in this particular case because we weren't there. What we do know is that in the absence of video evidence (and often even in spite of video evidence to the contrary), the system almost always assumes that the guy who did the shooting is the useless scumbag... unless that guy is a cop; then the system assumes that the guy he shot was the useless scumbag.

Except there is no basis for that assumption. Cops are every bit as likely to be useless scumbags as the rest of us.