Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[CableandThanos]

Ok, I dont really want to tackle your grand themes in your latest thesis. I was speaking to when The Struggle suggested that people are better off not resisting arrest and you suggested that based on that statement you better understood the plight of his black brothers than he does.

You also challenged my estimate that over 200 stl ppl are murdered every year by other STL ppl and about 1 was "murdered" by a cop without giving different stats and/or owning that your mysterious other stats create a different context. You just said how enlightened and intouch with the situation you are and i am clearly not.

It's funny he is using the--- I know a lot about minorities card, because I just got shit on in another thread for saying I know more about minorities and black culture than most of the liberals on here.

They told me I was full of shit and there is no possible way.

But I guess since he is a liberal his dealings with minorities are real, and mine are all just imagined or fake.

 

[Terry Noonan]

You mean the reports only the cop has said? Meanwhile eye witness reports typically arent backing that up. OMFG WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THE REPORTS OF THE EYE WITNESSES!!!11!!

PPS: Before you post this picture that's doing the rounds and people are claiming its the man who was shot. It isn't him.

http://newsone.com/2737243/jacqueline-bell-joda-cain/

What he looks like doesn't matter, it's what he allegedly did. If he punched the cop and tried to take his gun, guess what? Justice was served.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[CableandThanos]

I still don't understand what the fuck is so difficult about doing what the fuck an officer says?

If you are picking your nose and he tells you to get in the car or put your hands up, put your fucking hands up? I promise you will end up a lot better than if you decide to try and push or "armwrestle, like some of the witnesses said happened)". Get down town, talk it out, or whatever and then go about your business? That is a lot faster and easier than thinking you are going to get away with putting your hands on an officer. You are at least getting a resisting arrest charge and possibly a beatdown and maybe even shot.

I love the excuse, he wasn't doing anything, he was only "armwresting " with the officer.

I'm sorry, I'm white, and if I start trying to put my hands on a cop or wrestling him, I am getting my ass beat and possibly shot as well.


It's like it is some fuckin badge of honor to fight the cops, resist, etc.

You know who doesn't get their ass beat, mfers who do what they are told.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Ok, I dont really want to tackle your grand themes in your latest thesis. I was speaking to when The Struggle suggested that people are better off not resisting arrest and you suggested that based on that statement you better understood the plight of his black brothers than he does.

You also challenged my estimate that over 200 stl ppl are murdered every year by other STL ppl and about 1 was "murdered" by a cop without giving different stats and/or owning that your mysterious other stats create a different context. You just said how enlightened and intouch with the situation you are and i am clearly not.

I appreciate you not wanting to actually challenge my "thesis" or take an informed stance on the subject. Regarding my contention that your numbers were lazily figured, no reputable data source places the number of homicides at 200, as you suggested. Aggregate estimates (from city and state sources) place the average over the past five years at about 125, or about 40% less than your estimate. (Sources: FBI, St. Louis PD). Regarding your not-at-all-ignorant estimate of "1" in regard to police-on-civilian murder, there may be no way to get an accurate figure because you must first differentiate between what is justifiable homicide and what is not: I assure you that "1" is about as bad a guess as I can imagine. If you are referring to mere homicide perpetrated by officers of peace, your estimate is undoubtedly far off, considering just yesterday a St. Louis teen was shot to death by a North County police officer.

Revisit The Struggle's post and read the two sentences I quoted in bold font. I didn't do that to jazz up my post: I was responding to those sentences in particular. His last sentence implied that habits of disregarding police authority is what got them "in this position to begin with," which is, in most cases blatantly wrong, and in all cases very narrow-minded.

 

[clmetal]

Well, of course.

However, most of the looters are not acting out of outrage. The majority are opportunists who are not even from Ferguson. For this reason (among others), the events shouldn't serve to undermine the rightful screams for justice from the peaceful protesters.

I assumed that as well. Katrina being the best example where people involved in rescue efforts were being shot at.

 

[speakhandsforme]

It's funny he is using the--- I know a lot about minorities card, because I just got shit on in another thread for saying I know more about minorities and black culture than most of the liberals on here.

They told me I was full of shit and there is no possible way.

But I guess since he is a liberal his dealings with minorities are real, and mine are all just imagined or fake.

How are you still here? I don't think I've ever seen someone get so embarrassed and universally panned (by conservatives too, mind you) and still come back for more. Also, do you EVER post without using the word "liberal?" Are you incapable of saying anything without referring back to your "liberals this, conservatives that" knee jerk? Liberals (which seems to be everyone to you) and conservatives alike think you are a dim-witted child and we were all kind of hoping you had gone away. It's not playful anymore: it's just aggravating.

Also, I didn't say I knew more about minorities than him. I said I am familiar with the area and with the demographic from my work. I wanted to differentiate that from the possible presumption that I am operating from a stance of self-interest, which seems to be a common thought here.

Also, since it seems to be a very important point of contention for you, I am not black and I don't have many black friends. I haven't had any long talks with black men about their lives.

 

[CableandThanos]

He wasn't doing anything, he was only wrestling with the cop.

Honey I wasn't rubbing all over that girl, I was only grabbing her booty and squeezing her tits!!!!

 

[StrikerKing]

I always love reading threads like these, laughing at all the hilarious open racism it provides. Then laughing again when a bunch of these same people deny that most of the hate for guys like Jones/Silva/Shad/etc. isn't racially motivated.

WTF, are you serious? you can't honestly think this is true. Can you?

 

[CableandThanos]

How are you still here? I don't think I've ever seen someone get so embarrassed and universally panned (by conservatives too, mind you) and still come back for more. Also, do you EVER post without using the word "liberal?" Are you incapable of saying anything without referring back to your "liberals this, conservatives that" knee jerk? Liberals (which seems to be everyone to you) and conservatives alike think you are a dim-witted child and we were all kind of hoping you had gone away. It's not playful anymore: it's just aggravating.

Also, I didn't say I knew more about minorities than him. I said I am familiar with the area and with the demographic from my work. I wanted to differentiate that from the possible presumption that I am operating from a stance of self-interest, which seems to be a common thought here.

Cool your thoughts and opinions come from you living close to the area and working with blacks.

GUESS FUCKING WHAT SO DO MINE, I just don't live close to an area, I fucking live in an area.

But we are suppose to take your views any more serious than mine or anyone else.


LOL- you live close to an area and work with the DEMOGRAPHIC, lol

that's about as close to I got some black friends as can be.

LOL speakhandsforme-- helping his community ONE DEMOGRAPHIC AT A TIME. LOL

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

He wasn't doing anything, he was only wrestling with the cop.

Honey I wasn't rubbing all over that girl, I was only grabbing her booty and squeezing her tits!!!!

you don't know what happened, but because this guy was black (with no criminal record) you assume he assaulted a cop? and you wonder why people think what they do about you?

 

[CableandThanos]

How are you still here? I don't think I've ever seen someone get so embarrassed and universally panned (by conservatives too, mind you) and still come back for more. Also, do you EVER post without using the word "liberal?" Are you incapable of saying anything without referring back to your "liberals this, conservatives that" knee jerk? Liberals (which seems to be everyone to you) and conservatives alike think you are a dim-witted child and we were all kind of hoping you had gone away. It's not playful anymore: it's just aggravating.

Also, I didn't say I knew more about minorities than him. I said I am familiar with the area and with the demographic from my work. I wanted to differentiate that from the possible presumption that I am operating from a stance of self-interest, which seems to be a common thought here.

Also, since it seems to be a very important point of contention for you, I am not black and I don't have many black friends. I haven't had any long talks with black men about their lives.[/QUOTE]

BUT YET YOU FEEL FREE TO TELL ME THAT MY TALKS AND QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATIONS AND CONCERNS THAT THEY EXPRESS ARE NOT REAL.


NOTHING LIKE PEOPLE WHO OCCASIONALLY TALK TO A MINORITY, TELLING PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AROUND AND WITH, WORK WITH, VOLUNTEER WITH, GO TO CHURCH WITH AND READ RESEARCH ON, HOW THEIR OPINIONS ARE WRONG.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

if this guy had his hands up and was 20 feet away like the eye witnesses say and the cop still shot him, the cop is in the wrong. regardless of what happened prior to that, the cops life is not in danger and deadly force is not warranted.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

I appreciate you not wanting to actually challenge my "thesis" or take an informed stance on the subject. Regarding my contention that your numbers were lazily figured, no reputable data source places the number of homicides at 200, as you suggested. Aggregate estimates (from city and state sources) place the average over the past five years at about 125, or about 40% less than your estimate. (Sources: FBI, St. Louis PD). Regarding your not-at-all-ignorant estimate of "1" in regard to police-on-civilian murder, there may be no way to get an accurate figure because you must first differentiate between what is justifiable homicide and what is not: I assure you that "1" is about as bad a guess as I can imagine. If you are referring to mere homicide perpetrated by officers of peace, your estimate is undoubtedly far off, considering just yesterday a St. Louis teen was shot to death by a North County police officer.

Revisit The Struggle's post and read the two sentences I quoted in bold font. I didn't do that to jazz up my post: I was responding to those sentences in particular. His last sentence implied that habits of disregarding police authority is what got them "in this position to begin with," which is, in most cases blatantly wrong, and in all cases very narrow-minded.

I don't want to challenge your broad thesis because I don't disagree with the words you used. The problem though is they could mean very different things to different people. They are very loaded phrases. I don't feel like going through the process of finding out what exactly you mean by each of them.

Index crime and homicides in Greater St. Louis (2003–2012) on Wikipedia has estimated homicides above 200 from 2007-2012. (no data past 2012). Whether you want to make it 140 or 240, it doesn't change the general context that STL civilians killing each other are a significantly bigger problem than police killing STL civilians, yet the one police murder has brought more attention to the victim than the other approx 200 victims combined.

You have shown no evidence of another police homicide towards a civilian other than the most recent. You just say I'm narrow-minded despite no available evidence to the contrary.

 

[CableandThanos]

you don't know what happened, but because this guy was black (with no criminal record) you assume he assaulted a cop? and you wonder why people think what they do about you?

Some witnesses have come out and said that he was only armwrestling with the cop.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/mi...d=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=515276



Two witnesses told CNN on Wednesday that while Brown did appear to tussle with an officer before he was shot, he didn't enter the police cruiser as authorities say he did.

The women's accounts corroborate that of a previous witness, all three of whom said the officer fatally shot the unarmed teen.

Tiffany Mitchell told CNN she drove to Ferguson on Saturday to pick up an employee for work just in time to see Brown tussling at the window of a police vehicle.

She and the employee, Piaget Crenshaw, told CNN's Don Lemon on Wednesday about Brown's last moments.


BUT THANKS FOR JUMPING IN AND RUNNING YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT NOT KNOWING THE LATEST REPORTS.



GO BACK TO HATING ON JEWS

 

[CableandThanos]

I don't want to challenge your broad thesis because I don't disagree with the words you used. The problem though is they could mean very different things to different people. They are very loaded phrases. I don't feel like going through the process of finding out what exactly you mean by each of them.

Index crime and homicides in Greater St. Louis (2003

 

[CableandThanos]

if this guy had his hands up and was 20 feet away like the eye witnesses say and the cop still shot him, the cop is in the wrong. regardless of what happened prior to that, the cops life is not in danger and deadly force is not warranted.

I just posted info from witnesses saying there was a tussle, but you are correct if he was far away with no weapon then the cop deserves to be punished.


Kind of like when a cop will stop chasing someone if they are going to fast in a residential area, he should have stopped and just put a warrant out for the arrest of the guy (if he could get fingerprints from anywhere) or if he knew the guy.

 

[TheStruggle]

if this guy had his hands up and was 20 feet away like the eye witnesses say and the cop still shot him, the cop is in the wrong. regardless of what happened prior to that, the cops life is not in danger and deadly force is not warranted.

What I want to know is what led to the situation, the officer didn't just get out of his car and start shooting. What led to the confrontation and no one seems to have a straight answer.

 

[CableandThanos]

What I want to know is what led to the situation, the officer didn't just get out of his car and start shooting. What led to the confrontation and no one seems to have a straight answer.

Apparently 2 new witnesses are saying there ws a struggle at the window of the car and that the officer was trying to get him in the car but then he got free and ran away and the officer got out and shot him multiple times.

 

[JadeOwl]

What he looks like doesn't matter, it's what he allegedly did. If he punched the cop and tried to take his gun, guess what? Justice was served.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So far we have two versions of what happened, one from the cop involved and the other from several witnesses:

The cop

 

[rocketskates]

What I want to know is what led to the situation, the officer didn't just get out of his car and start shooting. What led to the confrontation and no one seems to have a straight answer.

Pretty much. I could be wrong but I find it difficult to believe that a cop shot this kid for sport. Look at all of the problems that it's caused. As I said in an earlier post, cops have a history of making dumb decisions but for some people to say that he "stood over" the kid and shot him execution style is absolutely stupid.