Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[TheStruggle]

For a black man, you seem to have a very obvious disconnect from the plight of urban blacks.

I'm taking about the case of the truly innocent, those who have nothing to hide have a very different demeanor with the police. The ones who fight back and push the situation usual have something to hide.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

For a black man, you seem to have a very obvious disconnect from the plight of urban blacks.

Over 200 people in STL are murdered every year by other STL people. 1 person was possibly murdered by a cop this year in STL.

Please go on and tell me how police brutality is the plight.

 

[Calmete]

How many have you seen? Did they have that "I receive welfare" bumper sticker? Those are always a solid indicator.

Obviously they're in front of you checking out, using a ebt card. Then loading their haul into their luxury vehicle.

This is shocking to you?

 

[TheStruggle]

Over 200 people in STL are murdered every year by other STL people. 1 person was possibly murdered by a cop this year in STL.

Please go on and tell me how police brutality is the plight.

This as well


Sadly the majority of murder in areas like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, etc are committed by other blacks. We are killing ourselves. Gang Culture and Poor standards of living is a much bigger problem than police. Chicago has over 100,000 people in gangs and kids has young as 9 are in gangs and being murdered on the streets by other gang members. So I don't believe for one second that Black men are under attack by police, we're under attack because our own community.

 

[livingdeadmoose]

No more "Please go home" bs. This is how you deal with looters.

 

[Calmete]

There are very expensive vehicles with hubcaps?

Is your google broken? Of course there are.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Obviously they're in front of you checking out, using a ebt card. Then loading their haul into their luxury vehicle.

This is shocking to you?

Yes, very. Having worked in an urban environment and in an occupation that caters especially to the lower class, I am astounded that you see this so often. I have not.

Over 200 people in STL are murdered every year by other STL people. 1 person was possibly murdered by a cop this year in STL.

Please go on and tell me how police brutality is the plight.

I never said that police brutality was the foremost plight of urban blacks. The plight does, however, stretch beyond the sentiment that black men need to stop being needlessly unruly. I live in St. Louis, by the way, so you don't need to tell me about our crime rates, especially when you haven't even done this conversation the dignity of looking up your numbers. Your "1 person this year" figure is low, as you obviously have no connection to or knowledge of the event, the issues that surround the event, or the city in which the event took place.

Also, for the record, I'm about as white as they come. My familiarity with the problems facing urban blacks comes from my occupational experiences, my academic endeavors, and the fact that I'm willing to think beyond what is convenient and simple.

 

[speakhandsforme]

This as well


Sadly the majority of murder in areas like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, etc are committed by other blacks. We are killing ourselves. Gang Culture and Poor standards of living is a much bigger problem than police. Chicago has over 100,000 people in gangs and kids has young as 9 are in gangs and being murdered on the streets by other gang members. So I don't believe for one second that Black men are under attack by police, we're under attack because our own community.

Shouldn't aims be set at establishing nets that take the vexing power away from criminal organizations? Right now, gangs (which aren't nearly as much of a problem in St. Louis, by the way) thrive off of the sentiment that they can provide for the black community better than society can. The marginalization of urban blacks lends legitimacy to gangs and like organizations. People don't seem to understand the socialization of being born into squalor and the tunnel vision it can create.

 

[Ruprecht]

Is your google broken? Of course there are.

Well I don't know what's going on over there.
This side of the pacific you're hard pushed to find steelies even on entry level cars.

 

[clmetal]

For a black man, you seem to have a very obvious disconnect from the plight of urban blacks.

What he suggests will work out better for them than rioting and looting. Inner cities often complain about stores leaving and this is one of the reasons they do

 

[speakhandsforme]

What he suggests will work out better for them than rioting and looting. Inner cities often complain about stores leaving and this is one of the reasons they do

Well, of course.

However, most of the looters are not acting out of outrage. The majority are opportunists who are not even from Ferguson. For this reason (among others), the events shouldn't serve to undermine the rightful screams for justice from the peaceful protesters.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

Yes, very. Having worked in an urban environment and in an occupation that caters especially to the lower class, I am astounded that you see this so often. I have not.



I never said that police brutality was the foremost plight of urban blacks. The plight does, however, stretch beyond the sentiment that black men need to stop being needlessly unruly. I live in St. Louis, by the way, so you don't need to tell me about our crime rates, especially when you haven't even done this conversation the dignity of looking up your numbers. Your "1 person this year" figure is low, as you obviously have no connection to or knowledge of the event, the issues that surround the event, or the city in which the event took place.

Also, for the record, I'm about as white as they come. My familiarity with the problems facing urban blacks comes from my occupational experiences, my academic endeavors, and the fact that I'm willing to think beyond what is convenient and simple.

Well im glad you have a healthy self image and you have pulled authority on the topic without addressing the points.

But to me it is clear that there is a very poor perspective on how much a problem police are compared to other problems in the big picture.

 

[Flamma]

Rev Al and Jessie will sort all this out in no time.

 

[SammyPops]

Yes, very. Having worked in an urban environment and in an occupation that caters especially to the lower class, I am astounded that you see this so often. I have not.



I never said that police brutality was the foremost plight of urban blacks. The plight does, however, stretch beyond the sentiment that black men need to stop being needlessly unruly. I live in St. Louis, by the way, so you don't need to tell me about our crime rates, especially when you haven't even done this conversation the dignity of looking up your numbers. Your "1 person this year" figure is low, as you obviously have no connection to or knowledge of the event, the issues that surround the event, or the city in which the event took place.

Also, for the record, I'm about as white as they come. My familiarity with the problems facing urban blacks comes from my occupational experiences, my academic endeavors, and the fact that I'm willing to think beyond what is convenient and simple.

I spend some time at a hospital in downtown toronto, our 'urban angel' hospital, and I agree.

poor, racialised minorities do not often drive bnws.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Well im glad you have a healthy self image and you have pulled authority on the topic without addressing the points.

But to me it is clear that there is a very poor perspective on how much a problem police are compared to other problems in the big picture.

You didn't say anything of substance. All you have done is set up a straw man by citing a claim that I did not make and then follow it up with a sarcastic insult. But, nonetheless, I'll try to remain civil.

I did not say police brutality is the foremost problem facing urban blacks. However, being needlessly violent isn't some cultural or biological problem either, believe it or not. People are citing the actions (in very loose response) of a few to retrospectively diagnose what they perceive to be the problem with the demographic. The problems facing urban blacks include disenfranchisement, institutional racism (relevant to St. Louis, racism in educational redistricting is a big one), environmental racism, and (yes) a prejudicial culture in law enforcement.

 

[speakhandsforme]

I spend some time at a hospital in downtown toronto, our 'urban angel' hospital, and I agree.

poor, racialised minorities do not often drive bnws.

But Calamete sees them all the time (and not just on his television or in his white-hoodie dreams), so it's a pretty common thing, I guess.

 

[Furious George]

You mean how you ignored the reports the guy punched the cop and tried to take his gun? Then called me 'spastic'? Yes, that is pathetic.

You mean the reports only the cop has said? Meanwhile eye witness reports typically arent backing that up. OMFG WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THE REPORTS OF THE EYE WITNESSES!!!11!!

PPS: Before you post this picture that's doing the rounds and people are claiming its the man who was shot. It isn't him.

http://newsone.com/2737243/jacqueline-bell-joda-cain/

 

[shockaholic12]

At first I didn't feel good about Anon threatening to dox and release info on the Ferguson PD. Now that I've seen them fire upon peaceful protests, launch year gas and rubber bullets indiscriminately into citizens yards, and target/imprison media without cause .... I dont sympathize with them. They deserve about as much respect as they are showing the people

 

[James Bomb]

Apparently the St. Louis PD is being relieved of duty in Ferguson

http://www.thewire.com/national/201...ling-the-st-louis-police-off-ferguson/376072/

 

[MuyThaiTom]

You didn't say anything of substance. All you have done is set up a straw man by citing a claim that I did not make and then follow it up with a sarcastic insult. But, nonetheless, I'll try to remain civil.

I did not say police brutality is the foremost problem facing urban blacks. However, being needlessly violent isn't some cultural or biological problem either, believe it or not. People are citing the actions (in very loose response) of a few to retrospectively diagnose what they perceive to be the problem with the demographic. The problems facing urban blacks include disenfranchisement, institutional racism (relevant to St. Louis, racism in educational redistricting is a big one), environmental racism, and (yes) a prejudicial culture in law enforcement.

Ok, I dont really want to tackle your grand themes in your latest thesis. I was speaking to when The Struggle suggested that people are better off not resisting arrest and you suggested that based on that statement you better understood the plight of his black brothers than he does.

You also challenged my estimate that over 200 stl ppl are murdered every year by other STL ppl and about 1 was "murdered" by a cop without giving different stats and/or owning that your mysterious other stats create a different context. You just said how enlightened and intouch with the situation you are and i am clearly not.