Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[nhbbear]

Was the kid shot from that distance or is that how far he was away when he fell and died?

Does it really matter? People are going to see whatever evidence that they want to see in order to have their preformed opinion validated.

This thread, and others like it, are filled with less than informed people that just want to spout off, looking for an excuse to be angry, based on "witness" accounts that get repeated and exaggerated over and over again, until you have 3 nights and counting of lawlessness, looting, and violence. It's irresponsible, and more people will get injured and killed before this thing is through.

I am not saying that there were not witnesses, or that they did not see Brown's hands up, but the temptation and bias placed on such witnesses by community and M Brown's family can not be easily dismissed, and it does take time to do an investigation. An investigation that is irrevocably harmed by not being completed because of the current events. A dozen television cameras being shoved in people's face offers them the opportunity to make their 15 minutes of fame/auto-tune moment(hide yo kids/wife).

And of course, the cop is going to be expected to cover his ass as well, and that self preserving bias can not be overlooked. Again, that is why there is an investigation, and not instant judgment passed because of pictures of a dead kid on a roadway. Hell, there is even one account that I saw that had the police officer standing over the kid, firing the fatal shot-which would be pretty damning if true. But, since no one(save Brown's friend) can describe the cop, I am somewhat skeptical of those accounts of what happened. The police chief has stated that the first shot was from inside the cruiser, which would seem to indicate some type of struggle and/or suggest that Brown was not simply walking away with his hands in the air when he was shot repeatedly.

The only things that are truly known, is that a 18 year old, unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer, and now there have been several days of riot and unrest, threats against police(both violent and cyber-punk stuff), and it has yet to slow down.

 

[nhbbear]

People would shoot the looters attacking them and their property. Shooting people on your premises who are engaged in criminal activity is generally not going to get you arrested. Is there someone who suggested randomly firing into a crowd and I missed it?

Let's say a shop owner did shoot people as they broke out his windows and entered their shop-then their will anger and more looting because someone was shot and killed over a candy-bar/shoes/television set. There will be cries of "warning shots" and "my baby was peacefully protesting and was trying to persuade the looters to stop." Situations like this are powder kegs.

 

[goldenaxe]

It is very easy to say rioters snd looters should be shot but something else to do it. I doubt anyone posting in this thread could hurt anyone. Also if that sort of shooting happened there would just by more violence and looting.

I dont thonk looters should be shot by police just arrested for theft

But if you own a store and angry mob busts in causing damage,stealing and being violent you might have to shoot them to protect Your OWN life and Your OWN property

I think people have made this into a race issue instead of a officer accountability issue it should be

Remember cops are getting away with murdering white.people too

A cop can say he "doesnt have time for this" and shoot you right between your eyes and not be held accountable for his actions

 

[mantronix]

Are there any updated facts? The "eyewitness" accounts I keep hearing on the radio are absurd.


This same type of thing happened locally where a crazy person who was naked but armed with a knife got shot and the neighborhood went crazy for a few days. I really don't understand the rioting and looting, why not just manifest outside the police station?

 

[spamking]

Anonymous releases dispatch audio

The shooting is reported about 11 minutes in or so.

 

[spamking]

Does it really matter?

It really should . . . shouldn't it? I mean there is no difference in how it ultimately ended, but how it got to the end should count for something.

People are going to see whatever evidence that they want to see in order to have their preformed opinion validated.

Yep. Happens all of the time.

 

[avalanchejh]

There was another shooting there last night. Details are some armed men did a drive by and shot a woman in the head. She was able to call police and when the men were confronted by officers one male pointed a a gun at them and needless to say he was shot.

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sh...ficer-shoots-armed-man-near-OIS-protest-site/

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Let's say a shop owner did shoot people as they broke out his windows and entered their shop-then their will anger and more looting because someone was shot and killed over a candy-bar/shoes/television set. There will be cries of "warning shots" and "my baby was peacefully protesting and was trying to persuade the looters to stop." Situations like this are powder kegs.

I've never heard of future riots breaking out because a looter was shot. I've never heard of someone being arrested for shooting a looter. If anything I bet the sound of gunshots will inspire people to move along quickly and possibly rethink if those goods in the window are worth your life.

I've never been in a riot. I've never seen what looters do when they come across the 1 in x shops that have a dude or two with rifles guarding them. And for the life of me, if I'm a guy defending his property from government malfeasance, I can't fathom giving a fuck about some whiny babies after the fact second-guessing the credo that looters be met with extreme prejudice.

But you could be right. In the riots we've had where looters have been shot at, how many have escalated because of it? And for that matter are there examples of store owners firing into random crowds on the street?

 

[oldshadow]

It is very easy to say rioters snd looters should be shot but something else to do it. I doubt anyone posting in this thread could hurt anyone. Also if that sort of shooting happened there would just by more violence and looting.

Some people believe in protecting what is theirs and they should be able to legally.

Not all looting is inexcusable. Also many of the goods that are looted are themselves looted in the first place.

Police are rarely seriously punished for murders while on duty, and illegal forms of public pressure is often the reason that a few are.

Only people who there know what happened. Police always accuse their victims of attacking them or threatening them. Sometimes its the truth ,sometimes a lie. What do you expect them to say?

What looting is excusable?

 

[A Muse of Fire]

There is rule of law in the USA and a justice system. If you shoot someone there are consequences.

Zimmerman was arrested for killing Martin for example.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

Does it really matter? People are going to see whatever evidence that they want to see in order to have their preformed opinion validated.

This thread, and others like it, are filled with less than informed people that just want to spout off, looking for an excuse to be angry, based on "witness" accounts that get repeated and exaggerated over and over again, until you have 3 nights and counting of lawlessness, looting, and violence. It's irresponsible, and more people will get injured and killed before this thing is through.

I am not saying that there were not witnesses, or that they did not see Brown's hands up, but the temptation and bias placed on such witnesses by community and M Brown's family can not be easily dismissed, and it does take time to do an investigation. An investigation that is irrevocably harmed by not being completed because of the current events. A dozen television cameras being shoved in people's face offers them the opportunity to make their 15 minutes of fame/auto-tune moment(hide yo kids/wife).

And of course, the cop is going to be expected to cover his ass as well, and that self preserving bias can not be overlooked. Again, that is why there is an investigation, and not instant judgment passed because of pictures of a dead kid on a roadway. Hell, there is even one account that I saw that had the police officer standing over the kid, firing the fatal shot-which would be pretty damning if true. But, since no one(save Brown's friend) can describe the cop, I am somewhat skeptical of those accounts of what happened. The police chief has stated that the first shot was from inside the cruiser, which would seem to indicate some type of struggle and/or suggest that Brown was not simply walking away with his hands in the air when he was shot repeatedly.

The only things that are truly known, is that a 18 year old, unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer, and now there have been several days of riot and unrest, threats against police(both violent and cyber-punk stuff), and it has yet to slow down.

i cant really argue with a single thing you said. the problem? who is in charge of the investigation. law enforcement. so we know that means

"the officer involved has been deemed to have acted in self defense. no charges will be forthcoming."

witness my exaggerate or outright lie, but ultimately that doesnt really matter. what does matter is that law enforcement does the same, and that does matter because they have the power to affect lives

 

[ncordless]

I've never heard of future riots breaking out because a looter was shot. I've never heard of someone being arrested for shooting a looter. If anything I bet the sound of gunshots will inspire people to move along quickly and possibly rethink if those goods in the window are worth your life.

I've never been in a riot. I've never seen what looters do when they come across the 1 in x shops that have a dude or two with rifles guarding them. And for the life of me, if I'm a guy defending his property from government malfeasance, I can't fathom giving a fuck about some whiny babies after the fact second-guessing the credo that looters be met with extreme prejudice.

But you could be right. In the riots we've had where looters have been shot at, how many have escalated because of it? And for that matter are there examples of store owners firing into random crowds on the street?

Depends on how many gunmen there are, how motivated the rioters/looters are, etc.

If there is one shop owner with a shotgun facing a motivated mob, shooting one or two probably just ends with the gun owner being torn to shreds by the mob for killing a looter and all the property being carried off anyway.

 

[RIPWarrior]

Depends on how many gunmen there are, how motivated the rioters/looters are, etc.

If there is one shop owner with a shotgun facing a motivated mob, shooting one or two probably just ends with the gun owner being torn to shreds by the mob for killing a looter and all the property being carried off anyway.

A case for high capacity magazines lol.

 

[livingdeadmoose]

I doubt that, unless you are a war veteran or something.

Anyway why take the risk? Vigilantism is illegal. You also might end up shooting a young child. Bullets ricochet. You would likely be arrested and tried if you shot someone. What makes you think shooting into a crowd is a good idea?

I never talked about going into the street and firing on the crowd. I'm talking about defending my home or business (in certain states Castle Doctrine extends to businesses).

 

[livingdeadmoose]

Depends on how many gunmen there are, how motivated the rioters/looters are, etc.

If there is one shop owner with a shotgun facing a motivated mob, shooting one or two probably just ends with the gun owner being torn to shreds by the mob for killing a looter and all the property being carried off anyway.

You've been watching to many movies. Most people would run from gunfire, even if they do have strength in numbers.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Depends on how many gunmen there are, how motivated the rioters/looters are, etc.

If there is one shop owner with a shotgun facing a motivated mob, shooting one or two probably just ends with the gun owner being torn to shreds by the mob for killing a looter and all the property being carried off anyway.

I'll trust the property owner to make that decision. In the meantime I'm open to changing my opinion if anyone can present factual evidence that these hypothetical escalations take place when good people defend themselves against random looters.

A case for high capacity magazines lol.

 

[ncordless]

You've been watching to many movies. Most people would run from gunfire, even if they do have strength in numbers.

You've watched to many movies. They idea of a strong man holding his ground with a handful of bullets against a mob is a myth of the American Western.

When a rioting mob hears gunshots, they might draw back for a bit, but they end up getting what they want until faced with superior force.

 

[Project 2501]

Why are people getting so butthurt over this post when it's pretty much the hard cold truth.

 

[ncordless]

Why are people getting so butthurt over this post when it's pretty much the hard cold truth.

Who is "they?" Because it sound awfully racist if "they" is who "they" seem to be.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

You've watched to many movies. They idea of a strong man holding his ground with a handful of bullets against a mob is a myth of the American Western.

When a rioting mob hears gunshots, they might draw back for a bit, but they end up getting what they want until faced with superior force.

The Korean storeowners during the LA riots, at least the armed ones, did pretty good for themselves.

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