Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[v.kevin]

So I take it that there are no facts to this story and people are arguing with themselves...got it

With a few exceptions, yep.

 

[Pem123]

You're Asian and I'm Arabic but we are both "white supremacists" because we don't think black people should blame all of their problems on white people, who have really done everything they can to help blacks.

Perfect example of the mindset we encounter in places like Ferguson. I'm sure this is how the police there are treated.

This exactly.

 

[IDL]

OMG I just watched CNN for 10 minutes and it is going to take some time to recover from the psychological warfare they waged on my mind.

What was I thinking

 

[Jack V Savage]

You're talking to people who don't believe in property rights.

Jack v savage repeatedly uses an example of a starving mother who takes apples from someone else's apple tree. He thinks the owner of the tree has no right to defend his apples. Jack defends the mother.

Take this warped world view and apply it to the real world rather than some hypothetical liberal nonsense designed to invoke emotion: thug steals blunts. Jack auto-defends thug.

Simple enough.

Derp. Jack V Savage used that example to illustrate the point that "non-initiation of force" is an insufficient defense of property. Idiot libertarians basically argue that the starving mother who takes apples from a tree that the state doesn't recognize as hers is attacking the state-designated owner, and that if he shoots her for doing it, he's just defending himself.

Well then leave, we won't miss you. This thread isn't about the subject matter you're attempting to interject into it, and you've made multiple attempts to do it.

It's odd how people seem to be having so much trouble grasping that.

 

[Falsedawn]

You're Asian and I'm Arabic but we are both "white supremacists" because we don't think black people should blame all of their problems on white people, who have really done everything they can to help blacks.

Perfect example of the mindset we encounter in places like Ferguson. I'm sure this is how the police there are treated.

 

[Pem123]

You don't have to be white to be a white supremacist. You simply have to believe that white people are superior to other races. You have to be a special kind of stupid to be a non-white white supremacist but its definitely possible. Clearly, you are a good example of this.

Let me ask you this. When do you think the Europeans will tame the savagery of your Arabic brothers. Or do you believe they are a lost cause?

how is both of us is a supremacist ?

 

[nhbbear]

The store owner wasn't hurt.

Neither are bank tellers when threatened with a gun or a piece of paper that says "I have a bomb". Robbery is the use of force, or the threat of force that places a person in fear.

I just watched don lemon arguing that he is not sure anything was even taken, that the store clerk did not seem afraid or injured and then Dr Lamont Hill and other CNN analysts talking about the banner running along the bottom saying that "Police release details on robbery, not shooting"

Then Dr Hill was stating that a police shooting happens every 28 hours and we should not wait or be patient because these people(police) have shown they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. I am guessing he does not feel the same where 28 hours without a shooting in a place like Chicago would be an improvement.

It is overtly clear that CNN does not want to see this incident go away because this is the next big case they can follow for months at a time. It is like the difference between writing an original movie and a sequel. This is news that just keeps on delivering rather than having to find other stories to cover.

 

[AviatorShades]

Yes I'm aware that the Americas temporarily imported African slavery and all of the practices that go along with it, then freed them while their peers in Africa continued to live in the same dreadful conditions.

It's about skin color at the end of the day. If early Americans were black, brought over black slaves then freed them a few generations later, they would be seen as a sort of liberator. But they were white men, so human nature won't allow that. They're just seen as a genetic enemy engaged in a battle for supremacy no matter how much effort they put into aiding you.

 

[Pem123]

the pic doesn't work, what is it about ?

 

[Its Me Austin]

Neither are bank tellers when threatened with a gun or a piece of paper that says "I have a bomb". Robbery is the use of force, or the threat of force that places a person in fear.

I just watched don lemon arguing that he is not sure anything was even taken, that the store clerk did not seem afraid or injured and then Dr Lamont Hill and other CNN analysts talking about the banner running along the bottom saying that "Police release details on robbery, not shooting"

Then Dr Hill was stating that a police shooting happens every 28 hours and we should not wait or be patient because these people(police) have shown they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. I am guessing he does not feel the same where 28 hours without a shooting in a place like Chicago would be an improvement.

It is overtly clear that CNN does not want to see this incident go away because this is the next big case they can follow for months at a time. It is like the difference between writing an original movie and a sequel. This is news that just keeps on delivering rather than having to find other stories to cover.

This reminds me of something that happened in AZ recently. A guy robbed a convenience store with a pellet gun and I guess it was one of those realistic ones they make it Japan because it gave the clerk a fatal heart attack. Guy ends up getting charged with felony murder.

 

[nhbbear]

The Ferguson chief of police has admited that the officer had no idea Brown was involved in the store incident:



So what's th point of releasing that information today but not anything else?

Yeah, I saw that. I started writing that earlier, and I was behind new developments at that point. Then I had to get kids to bed, so I posted that, then saw on the news that the information had already been released.

 

[logos]

Lebanon has never really recovered from the civil war nor the demographic shift. The Shiites merely have significantly more children than the Sunnis and Maronites, and in the end, making babies rules the world. They have power but it's power over a country that's frozen in the 1970s while most of the old Lebanese live in wealthy diaspora.

They live in a wealthy diaspora because their stranglehold on power was eliminated, and they've been relegated to acting as paltry Cuban Bourgeoisie reminiscing on days of old.

Whether that's a victory or failure is in the eye of the beholder.

I think when any culture or community becomes consumed with wealth and profligacy, it opens the door to their demise...

I think the US has the same ultimate fate. The group that really forged it is evaporating, migrating childlessly to the suburbs retaining their wealth but not their influence or territory. You can't expect lightning to strike twice, so the random cultures inheriting it aren't likely to maintain a stable society much less superpower status.

There is no solution. These are vast, long term phenomenon. The US sealed its fate as a short-lived economic experiment with no ethnic anchors when it adopted African slavery and wanton capitalism.

So basically, unless WASP's are running the country it is doomed. Do you even realize how utterly stupid this is?

 

[nixkid]

Neither are bank tellers when threatened with a gun or a piece of paper that says "I have a bomb". Robbery is the use of force, or the threat of force that places a person in fear.

I agree that the crime was technically a robbery. I put robbery in quotes because I believe the word carries a connotation that is more serious than the actual crime. The same with the word assault. "Robbed and assaulted" was being thrown around freely as if it were some kind of justification for Brown's death. But what Brown did isn't the sort of thing that typically springs to mind when you're told someone was "robbed and assaulted". Technically, kids who get their lunch money stolen from them by force are "robbed and assaulted" too (and what he did is actually sort of similar to that...certainly closer to that then it is to armed robbery).

 

[RIPWarrior]

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Can I ask you guys who suspect "racism" played a role an honest question and get an honest answer?

If "white racism" is the reason for the problems in places like Ferguson, then why do black people who live in white areas usually have enjoyable and crime-free lives, despite being surrounded by evil whites?

Shouldn't it be the opposite? Shouldn't we hear about blacks who wander into "enemy territory" like Oregon being gunned down by white supremacists?

Does anyone want to answer these questions?

 

[nixkid]

Yes I'm aware that the Americas temporarily imported African slavery and all of the practices that go along with it, then freed them while their peers in Africa continued to live in the same dreadful conditions.

It's about skin color at the end of the day. If early Americans were black, brought over black slaves then freed them a few generations later, they would be seen as a sort of liberator. But they were white men, so human nature won't allow that. They're just seen as a genetic enemy engaged in a battle for supremacy no matter how much effort they put into aiding you.

So slavery was sort of a liberation...freeing us from the shackles of our own inferiority? Thats textbook stuff right there.

 

[johnsmithbattle]

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Does anyone want to answer these questions?

who will pay their welfare if they don't live by whites?

 

[Pem123]

Yes I'm aware that the Americas temporarily imported African slavery and all of the practices that go along with it, then freed them while their peers in Africa continued to live in the same dreadful conditions.

It's about skin color at the end of the day. If early Americans were black, brought over black slaves then freed them a few generations later, they would be seen as a sort of liberator. But they were white men, so human nature won't allow that. They're just seen as a genetic enemy engaged in a battle for supremacy no matter how much effort they put into aiding you.

is his pic about American slavery, tell me if it is, so i can post bunch of picture of Barbary slave trade.

 

[AviatorShades]

They live in a wealthy diaspora because their stranglehold on power was eliminated, and they've been relegated to acting as paltry Cuban Bourgeoisie reminiscing on days of old.



I think when any culture or community becomes consumed with wealth and profligacy, it opens the door to their demise...




So basically, unless WASP's are running the country it is doomed. Do you even realize how utterly stupid this is?

Doomed? WASPS? Where did I say any of that? turn off the Daily Show for 5 minutes and take a deep breath my liberal friend.

The US is just a piece of land. Humans with a specific culture made it. Those humans are being pushed out. The statistical likelihood that the incoming ethnic groups will govern an identical society to the outgoing ethnic groups is around 0.

I find it very difficult to discuss these topics with Americans. It's like you have anxiety attacks just from talking about it and start to make very dramatic statements. Like the racism ninja will jump in your window and kill you for suggesting that America has any link whatsoever to European people/culture.

During its heyday it was basically a European colony and now its fading into Brazil 2.0. Good, bad? Depends on the eye of the beholder.

 

[nhbbear]

I agree that the crime was technically a robbery. I put robbery in quotes because I believe the word carries a connotation that is more serious than the actual crime. The same with the word assault. "Robbed and assaulted" was being thrown around freely as if it were some kind of justification for Brown's death. But what Brown did isn't the sort of thing that typically springs to mind when you're told someone was "robbed and assaulted". Technically, kids who get their lunch money stolen from them by force are "robbed and assaulted" too (and what he did is actually sort of similar to that...certainly closer to that then it is to armed robbery).

I put it in quotes a few pages back. It depends, according to state law, when the theft technically occurs. In my state, it occurs when a person conceals an item and moves beyond the counter towards the exit. Some states, the theft occurs when the suspect exits the store. In the case where the packaging is removed or the product consumed- that is theft.

If MO is a state where the theft does not occur until the subject has left the store, then the battery occurs during the theft, and it becomes robbery. Battery is physical contact of a provoking, insulting, or injurious nature-there is no requirement that an injury must occur. If I get into an argument with someone, and I poke them in the chest or shove them, they are not going to be injured, but I have just committed battery. In the commission of a theft, if the battery is used to secure said stolen property, it becomes a robbery.

 

[RIPWarrior]

is his pic about American slavery, tell me if it is, so i can post bunch of picture of Barbary slave trade.

yes it is plus the segregation that happened in the past