Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[oldshadow]

If that is the case then the law is stupid. Like I said before, if he had done those things on separate occasions, he would be charged with misdemeanors and likely community service. But because he did them together, its a felony and he now deserves to go to jail for years. Its utterly retarded.

It's a good law, dont attack someone to take what you want.

 

[TheStruggle]

So I take it that there are no facts to this story and people are arguing with themselves...got it

 

[nixkid]

Ummmm... So robbing people/ businesses is cool with you? Just so we're clear...

No, I never said that. I believe that punishments should fit the crime. The store owner was out $50 and had his ego bruised at best. Little to no physical harm was done to him. Thats hardly something that should result in Brown's life being ruined by making him a felon. If he wasn't shot by the police, I would definitely agree that he should have been arrested and faced some punishment..just not years in prison.

 

[nixkid]

It's a good law, dont attack someone to take what you want.

The store owner wasn't hurt.

 

[Pem123]

So basically you're a white supremacist.

dude, wtf im asian how can i be a white supremacist ?

i just think every culture have one or two things to learn about white culture because its definitely work really well.

and supermacy is a big word, i don't think any race can claim that.

 

[AviatorShades]

So basically you're a white supremacist.

If believing that white areas are the safest areas to live makes one a white supremacist then the entire planet including you consists of white supremacists, with a few Japanese/Jewish supremacists.

Black people, despite using "white racism" as a scapegoat to rationalize the history of Africa, are safer living in white neighborhoods than in black neighborhoods.

Blacks would be the foremost leaders of the white supremacy movement since they heavily support political programs to increase black households in white neighborhoods, acknowledging them as better communities.

You are not thinking before you type.

 

[oldshadow]

The store owner wasn't hurt.

If he had been there would have been more charges added as there should be.

 

[Terry Noonan]

No, I never said that. I believe that punishments should fit the crime. The store owner was out $50 and had his ego bruised at best. Little to no physical harm was done to him. Thats hardly something that should result in Brown's life being ruined by making him a felon. If he wasn't shot by the police, I would definitely agree that he should have been arrested and faced some punishment..just not years in prison.

Using force and intimidation to take things you want doesn't appear to be a problem for you. Thanks for elaborating you think community service is an applicable punishment for theft and assault. Glad you aren't in a position of authority.

 

[logos]

Pathetic victim mode activated.

Did you even read the thread? About every page has some driveby/passive aggressive comment alluding that he was shot because he's black or how the cop would already be in jail if the person he shot was white.

By finally responding I am not interjecting anything. I am asking them what their logic is. Not so surprisingly, there is no logic and the only responses I've gotten are "stormfront", "racist". Their idea of a brilliant trap I suppose.

When you grow up your entire life in an environment where you can make any absurd claim then back it up by screaming "racist, stormfront", your debating skills go down the toilet.

The things you are saying aren't exactly earth shattering, but I'll ask you this: what is your solution, or do you just want to other yourself from AA's?

If I remember correctly, Shiites in Lebanon were downtrodden and considered "undesirables" until a flood of cash, education, and direction, transformed them into an entity that basically calls the shots there...

 

[AviatorShades]

dude, wtf im asian how can i be a white supremacist ?

i just think every culture have one or two things to learn about white culture because its definitely work really well.

and supermacy is a big word, i don't think any race can claim that.

You're Asian and I'm Arabic but we are both "white supremacists" because we don't think black people should blame all of their problems on white people, who have really done everything they can to help blacks.

Perfect example of the mindset we encounter in places like Ferguson. I'm sure this is how the police there are treated.

 

[nixkid]

If he had been there would have been more charges added as there should be.

And so you're saying that based on what you saw in that video, he should have been charged with a felony? For taking $50 worth of merchandise and pushing the store clerk? Even though the the theft part of this crime would have been petty theft (a misdemeanor) had he not "assaulted" the store clerk and the assault was simple battery at best (another misdemeanor)?

I take it that you believe that shopping lifting and simple battery should also be felonies?

 

[Goat Meal]

The dude is a shithead and he deserved what he got.

 

[oldshadow]

And so you're saying that based on what you saw in that video, he should have been charged with a felony? For taking $50 worth of merchandise and pushing the store clerk? Even though the the theft part of this crime would have been petty theft (a misdemeanor) had he not "assaulted" the store clerk and the assault was simple battery at best (another misdemeanor)?

I take it that you believe that shopping lifting and simple battery should also be felonies?

He assaulted someone that tried to prevent him from stealing what belonged to him.

So yes he should do some time for this.

Don't put your hands on people.

 

[nixkid]

Using force and intimidation to take things you want doesn't appear to be a problem for you. Thanks for elaborating you think community service is an applicable punishment for theft and assault. Glad you aren't in a position of authority.

No, actually I think you should read what I wrote because I said that it is a crime. I said it was wrong and I said he should have been punished. If you think that amounts to not being "a problem" for me then I suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension.

And yes, community service is routinely given to people for petty theft and simple battery. Do you know how full the prisons would be if they locked up everyone that ever pushed someone else? :icon_lol:

 

[oldshadow]

No, actually I think you should read what I wrote because I said that it is a crime. I said it was wrong and I said he should have been punished. If you think that amounts to not being "a problem" for me then I suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension.

And yes, community service is routinely given to people for petty theft and simple battery. Do you know how full the prisons would be if they locked up everyone that ever pushed someone else? :icon_lol:

What he is charged with if it was a first time thing may not be what he pleads to, if it goes that way.

 

[nixkid]

You're Asian and I'm Arabic but we are both "white supremacists" because we don't think black people should blame all of their problems on white people, who have really done everything they can to help blacks.

Perfect example of the mindset we encounter in places like Ferguson. I'm sure this is how the police there are treated.

You don't have to be white to be a white supremacist. You simply have to believe that white people are superior to other races. You have to be a special kind of stupid to be a non-white white supremacist but its definitely possible. Clearly, you are a good example of this.

Let me ask you this. When do you think the Europeans will tame the savagery of your Arabic brothers. Or do you believe they are a lost cause?

 

[nixkid]

What he is charged with if it was a first time thing may not be what he pleads to, if it goes that way.

That is procedural, bureaucratic crap that I don't particularly care about. I care about the end result which is that I don't think a prison sentence is a fitting punishment for the crime. If he is charged with a felony but pleads to a misdemeanor then I'm okay with that.

 

[AviatorShades]

The things you are saying aren't exactly earth shattering, but I'll ask you this: what is your solution, or do you just want to other yourself from AA's?

If I remember correctly, Shiites in Lebanon were downtrodden and considered "undesirables" until a flood of cash, education, and direction, transformed them into an entity that basically calls the shots there...

Lebanon has never really recovered from the civil war nor the demographic shift. The Shiites merely have significantly more children than the Sunnis and Maronites, and in the end, making babies rules the world. They have power but it's power over a country that's frozen in the 1970s while most of the old Lebanese live in wealthy diaspora.

Whether that's a victory or failure is in the eye of the beholder.

I think the US has the same ultimate fate. The group that really forged it is evaporating, migrating childlessly to the suburbs retaining their wealth but not their influence or territory. You can't expect lightning to strike twice, so the random cultures inheriting it aren't likely to maintain a stable society much less superpower status.

There is no solution. These are vast, long term phenomenon. The US sealed its fate as a short-lived economic experiment with no ethnic anchors when it adopted African slavery and wanton capitalism.

 

[JadeOwl]

I can envision the officer attempting to detain Brown because of the "robbery" but the Ferguson PD better not say that is the case if it is not. Dispatch traffic is public record, so if FPD say that the Officer calls out with possible robbery suspect, they get more legitimacy in releasing the video today.

The Ferguson chief of police has admited that the officer had no idea Brown was involved in the store incident:

The chief in the St. Louis suburb where an unarmed black teenager was fatally shot by police says the officer didn't know the teen was a robbery suspect at the time of the shooting.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson says 18-year-old Michael Brown and his friend were stopped Saturday "because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic."

Jackson earlier Friday released documents alleging Brown had been suspected of stealing a $48.99 box of cigars from a convenience store in a "strong-arm" robbery shortly before he was killed.

During an afternoon news conference Jackson said the robbery "was not related to the initial contact" between the officer and Brown.

So what's th point of releasing that information today but not anything else?

 

[oldshadow]

That is procedural, bureaucratic crap that I don't particularly care about. I care about the end result which is that I don't think a prison sentence is a fitting punishment for the crime. If he is charged with a felony but pleads to a misdemeanor then I'm okay with that.

That would have depended on his record. If had been in trouble before the I would have no problem with he doing felony time.