International Riot in Sweden.

[Halge]

there's was a technocratic explanation

No, there was a technocratic excuse. It has been used time and time again despite the fact that there is no proof whatsoever a decline in population numbers lead to a decline in living standards.

Sweden's population has increased by about 20 percent in my lifetime alone. Far as I know, that's the most rapid three-decade increase on record, including the population boom of the industrialization era.

Even if you believe the myth of population decline=decline in living standards, it does not explain why we still need record numbers of immigration, year after year after year. It only legitimizes an immigration rate that matches the native population decline. Anything on top of that (and again, 20 percent increase over a 30 year period) is purely ideologically driven.

But hey, thanks for running your mouth about things you know nothing about once again. You are a true credit to the moderating staff, and I'm sure Ruprecht, Strychnine, Zebra Cheeks and the rest of the left-wing cult the mods have turned into all agree.

 

[Ballsaque]

@Halge is there anyway for native Swedes to combat this?

 

[Halge]

@Halge is there anyway for native Swedes to combat this?

Down the line, civil war. There's no stopping that process now. See how much we'll be able to salvage.

 

[So Fresh]

Say you’re radicalized without saying you’re radicalized

 

[Bald1]

Say you’re radicalized without saying you’re radicalized

Well yeah, that's what the thread is about. Radicals rioting because someone burned their own book.

How do you propose such dangerous people be dealt with?

 

[So Fresh]

Well yeah, that's what the thread is about. Radicals rioting because someone burned their own book.

How do you propose such dangerous people be dealt with?

Book burners should be fined for looting imo

 

[So Fresh]

And was not exactly what I meant

 

[Islam Imamate]

No, there was a technocratic excuse. It has been used time and time again despite the fact that there is no proof whatsoever a decline in population numbers lead to a decline in living standards.

Sweden's population has increased by about 20 percent in my lifetime alone. Far as I know, that's the most rapid three-decade increase on record, including the population boom of the industrialization era.

Even if you believe the myth of population decline=decline in living standards, it does not explain why we still need record numbers of immigration, year after year after year. It only legitimizes an immigration rate that matches the native population decline. Anything on top of that (and again, 20 percent increase over a 30 year period) is purely ideologically driven.

But hey, thanks for running your mouth about things you know nothing about once again. You are a true credit to the moderating staff, and I'm sure Ruprecht, Strychnine, Zebra Cheeks and the rest of the left-wing cult the mods have turned into all agree.

Immigration isn't like a syringe dose, its not something that's calculated down to a man.

Besides the point about population growth doesn't refute my point. Sure the population will continue to grow but that's not the point ya goof. Long before it starts contracting it will lead to a situation where the overall populations ages and you have more and more pensioners living off fewer and fewer workers. By the time the population starts contracting the economy would've been stagnating for a while. Japan's population only started contracting around 2010 but it had already been through about two decades of recession by that time.

we don't need immigration. we're fine.
this idea that you have to keep growing is exploitative capitalist bullshit that's so ingrained in peoples' heads it's basically brainwashing. immigration to europe should be zero for a few decades.
i'd rather have a culture than a workforce.

No its not, its basic self preservation. I don't personally care about forever growth like some do but the idea that an aging population and eventually a contracting one is just hunky dory is absurd. Basically this mentality

exactly. the "replacement rate" argument is meaningless in a society of cultured individuals. it only matters if you're breeding cattle.

Well you are touching on something here. The argument doesn't move Europeans because they've become hyper-individualist such that nothing beyond maximizing individual pleasure matters anymore.

Or want a large pool of slave labor. You gotta remember that many people in north America think 2 weeks of vacation a year is a ok. That's how brainwashed many are. So it's no surprise that they "think" the perpetual growth model is the best one.

I think you completely missed my point but that seems to be a habit for you.

No rational individual thinks that an aging population is good for a nation. Even Japan which is dead set against the kind of immigration you guys are worried about doesn't take a neutral stance towards low fertility rates and an aging population, they realize its a big problem. The only question is, is there an alternative to immigration? The only developed nation with a fertility rate above replacement is Israel and I'm not sure the lessons there can be generalized.

 

[Bald1]

Book burners should be fined for looting imo

Shit. Who else should be fined for mistreating their own property? You're shitting up the War Room pretty bad, so what should your punishment be?

 

[So Fresh]

Shit. Who else should be fined for mistreating their own property? You're shitting up the War Room pretty bad, so what should your punishment be?

If it’s in public you’re looting the place with ashes lol

But obv it was sarcasm. I don’t know if there are laws against it in Sweden but I do know we should be very wary of book burners, it’s a typical sign of radicalization.

But it seems his (padulan) plan is backfiring. The government are protecting the muslims and the neighborhoods.

 

[TUFNewb]

Lol why would anyone think this is a good thing? Being young going to school and working some meaningless job can be like the best times of one's life... Free from socializing and puss... Instead you can sit home alone in front of a computer... Awesome.

NEET meme almost seems like a psyop designed to keep young men isolated and bitter.

 

[Bald1]

I think you completely missed my point but that seems to be a habit for you.

You wound me sir! Or is this a compliment from the master of habitual misrepresentation? If so, thanks maan.

Your positions have been addressed adequately. That you disagree is fine. That you think you're owed more is childish.

 

[12ga.]

European ppl got soft. Try rioting n Saudi Arabia or Iran head will become detached from body next Friday

I worked two years in Saudi Arabia never felt safer. Even Mayberry where I live not as safe.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You wound me sir! Or is this a compliment from the master of habitual misrepresentation? If so, thanks maan.

Your positions have been addressed adequately. That you disagree is fine. That you think you're owed more is childish.

I'm not owed anything but still, nah you guys completely missed my point. Low fertility rates and aging populations produce serious societal woes even before population contraction as seen in Japan so pointing out that Sweden's population still grew misses the point entirely.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

No its not, its basic self preservation. I don't personally care about forever growth like some do but the idea that an aging population and eventually a contracting one is just hunky dory is absurd. Basically this mentality

Well you are touching on something here. The argument doesn't move Europeans because they've become hyper-individualist such that nothing beyond maximizing individual pleasure matters anymore.

self preservation is important when we are talking about culture, not population number. it matters more if we are preserving the culture and societal harmony and there's a couple million less of us than if we get some invasive species that harms societal balance and has no interest of preserving local culture, just to have more people living in the country. that argument is senseless.

I'm not owed anything but still, nah you guys completely missed my point. Low fertility rates and aging populations produce serious societal woes even before population contraction as seen in Japan so pointing out that Sweden's population still grew misses the point entirely.

yes, because high fertility rates and young populations really is a guarantee of success. just look at africa and how great it is there.
it's a bullshit argument.

 

[Halge]

yes, because high fertility rates and young populations really is a guarantee of success. just look at africa and how great it is there.
it's a bullshit argument.

Personally, I'd agree that third world countries with a young population suffer for it.
It tends to be more of a symptom of problems though, than the actual problem.
I simply don't think it is a huge issue either way. Not catastrophic, not great.

But it is obvious that the way a young population is viewed is flexible.
An immigrant-driven young population in a western country is great. Healthy long-time workers, childbearing ages, marketable connections to foreign nations and so on.

A young population in the third world is a problem. Too many mouths to feed, conflicts arising from sheer youthful rambunctiousness, lack of a skilled workforce and so on.

It's just a convenient (and entirely flexible) alibi for the globalist ideology. Achievements by the western world is arbitrarily attributed to a young population. Failures of the third world is arbitrarily attributed to the same thing.

But, as I told a certain moderator via the report button, this is not the topic of the thread. And should not be open to further discussion.

 

[Hdfi]

Still like .4 under replacement, how sad. Not trying to be a dick, if Europeans would just breed a bit they wouldn't need immigration and perhaps some of these issues could be avoided. Really serious issue that no country seems to have found an answer for.

who said they need immigration?

 

[So Fresh]

Is this some right wing 4chan slang or something. I have still no idea what this is. I must be getting old

 

[So Fresh]

who said they need immigration?

They do, if you wanna keep up and compete with others nations and countries worldwide

 

[Yehudim]

Disappointed to see the immigration argument come up because the implication is that YOU NEED IT, when you don’t.

That’s the logical result when you have technocratic policymakers just creating new rules without consulting the people. It’s not true, and it’s not a democratic move.