International Riot in Sweden.

SanchoMF said:
In a secular country it shouldn't matter. There are nice places around the world where blasphemy is forbidden and people who are into that kinda shit can all migrate to those utopias.
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Yeah, Switzerland is practically next door.
 
Armbars said:
I just don't see any reason for burning a religious book.
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How about doing any number of things that would set these same people off? Drawing a cartoon? Walking down the street holding a girlfriends hand? Saying a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile can't be the most perfect man to ever live?

There's a reason why they're burning this particular book. And it's to show the supremacist and intolerant nature of this particular religion.
 
Armbars said:
I just don't see any reason for burning a religious book.
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Obviously its just to incense the Muslim minority and usually for political gain. But the thing is reacting by rioting is playing right into the hands of these people. You're absolutely right, these people who burn Qur'ans are cunts. But the best thing that can be done in reaction to this is...nothing! Because without the big Muslim anti-protest/riot, these political stunts would just be a sad, lonely gathering by fringe political losers and rabble-rousers. Attacking them or rioting in response is the one that would engender any kind of sympathy for them and their cause.

Of course what is taken for granted by the advocates of these losers is the idea that Europe has freedom of speech in the same way the US does which is just not true as @Ruprecht hints at. Lots of these countries have anti-flag burning laws for instance. Sweden doesn't but like other Euro countries that don't they will often prosecute flag burners under some other pretense. But France, which views itself at the vanguard of the fight for free speech(i.e. right to insult Muslims), does have strict laws against flag burning. In fact one is not even allowed to distribute images of flag desecration in private and disrespecting the national anthem during public events is also banned. So its always a bit rich to see Euros get on their high horse about freedom of speech.
 
Khabib Khanate said:
Obviously its just to incense the Muslim minority and usually for political gain. But the thing is reacting by rioting is playing right into the hands of these people. You're absolutely right, these people who burn Qur'ans are cunts. But the best thing that can be done in reaction to this is...nothing! Because without the big Muslim anti-protest/riot, these political stunts would just be a sad, lonely gathering by fringe political losers and rabble-rousers. Attacking them or rioting in response is the one that would engender any kind of sympathy for them and their cause.

Of course what is taken for granted by the advocates of these losers is the idea that Europe has freedom of speech in the same way the US does which is just not true as @Ruprecht hints at. Lots of these countries have anti-flag burning laws for instance. Sweden doesn't but like other Euro countries that don't they will often prosecute flag burners under some other pretense. But France, which views itself at the vanguard of the fight for free speech(i.e. right to insult Muslims), does have strict laws against flag burning. In fact one is not even allowed to distribute images of flag desecration in private and disrespecting the national anthem during public events is also banned. So its always a bit rich to see Euros get on their high horse about freedom of speech.
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To be fair I don't think anyone has actually been prosecuted under our blasphemy laws in Oz for at least a century, and freedom of religion definitely trumps freedom from offence. I think the new laws dealing with religious vilification and anti-protest laws from 2014 could actually be used to prohibit gatherings organised for Quran burning though. At least in Vic and NSW.
Laws similar to those exist in much of Europe. Sweden and France can hardly claim to be the European norm, and the UK only got rid of their Blasphemy laws a couple of years ago (Edit: Not quite. England and Wales repealed them in 2008. Scotland repealed theirs last year, but Northern Ireland decided not to).
 
Ruprecht said:
To be fair I don't think anyone has actually been prosecuted under our blasphemy laws in Oz for at least a century, and freedom of religion definitely trumps freedom from offence. I think the new laws dealing with religious vilification and anti-protest laws from 2014 could actually be used to prohibit gatherings organised for Quran burning though. At least in Vic and NSW.
Laws similar to those exist in much of Europe. Sweden and France can hardly claim to be the European norm, and the UK only got rid of their Blasphemy laws a couple of years ago.
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I don't really like to bring up the existing blasphemy laws since as you said few are prosecuted under them. A lot of times they're relics from the past and there seems to be an understanding that if they were used they'd almost immediately be written out. In the US there are still counties which have a religious test for office but those are so obviously unconstitutional that if they were used they'd almost certainly be immediately ruled unconstitutional.

The better analogy to me is to anti-flag desecration laws and other laws against offense to national symbols since nationalism is the better secular equivalent to religion in the modern world. France doesn't care at all about blasphemy but takes serious offense to insults to its national symbols and character.
 
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Khabib Khanate said:
I don't really like to bring up the existing blasphemy laws since as you said few are prosecuted under them. A lot of times they're relics from the past and there seems to be an understanding that if they were used they'd almost immediately be written out. In the US there are still counties which have a religious test for office but those are so obviously unconstitutional that if they were used they'd almost certainly be immediately ruled unconstitutional.

The better analogy to me is to anti-flag desecration laws and other laws against offense to national symbols since nationalism is the more power secular equivalent to religion in the modern world. France doesn't care at all about blasphemy but takes serious offense to insults to its national symbols and character.
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To the extent they are still used at all, they've transitioned from protecting Christian sensibilities to general protection from public expressions of religious bigotry.
Mind you it was only last year I read about Poland using their Blasphemy laws over this:
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I guess I don't feel much sympathy because iconoclasm has always been a part of my views on idolatry.
 
Rholk said:
Yeah, and pissing people off isn't, and shouldn't be, illegal
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Huh? A lot of things are illegal that piss people off lol

You cant make too much noise at certain times

Keep your grass cut to a certain level

Dont throw rubbish on the ground

Harrassment

Stalking etc etc

Most laws are designed in a way where people that dont get pissed off lol
 
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