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[Stormtrooper85]

Canelo is #6. This must be the "never that good" rankings. .

What can you expect from the thing Oscar owns?

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Sheesh, moving up and losing to bigger men punishes you quite harshly on P4P lists.

 

[No Mas]

Lol, Canelo drops to 6th a fight removed from unifying MW meanwhile Crawford #2 for beating 2 washed up fighters in the last 2 years and staying in the same division for the last 5 while both he and Spence avoid each other.

 

[bjl12]

I admire your dedication to being so utterly pathetic. It is time for a new gimmick though

your shtick is tired and worn out. fuck off.

Correction. Estrada is actually only a 2 division champion/titlist and Canelo is a 4 division champion/titlist.

...so NONE of you address my point. Why is Spence regarded as PFP when he's accomplished far less than peers???

Its a serious inquiry.

 

[bjl12]

Lol, Canelo drops to 6th a fight removed from unifying MW meanwhile Crawford #2 for beating 2 washed up fighters in the last 2 years and staying in the same division for the last 5 while both he and Spence avoid each other.

Crawford has never once avoided Spence or any other fighter. He's never had 1 single close fight through 3 divisions and he passes the eye test in addition to being an undipsuted champion.

Not to mention Crawford goes for the stoppage. Spence doesnt. Thurman doesnt. Canelo doesnt. Crawford amps it up to HURT YOU and not just BEAT YOU.

Special fighter, indeed

 

[benebox]

...so NONE of you address my point. Why is Spence regarded as PFP when he's accomplished far less than peers???

Its a serious inquiry.

Because he makes up the difference with the quality of opposition. His last 4 fights are Garcia, Porter, Danny and Ugas. Thats impressive.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Crawford has never once avoided Spence or any other fighter. He's never had 1 single close fight through 3 divisions and he passes the eye test in addition to being an undipsuted champion.

Not to mention Crawford goes for the stoppage. Spence doesnt. Thurman doesnt. Canelo doesnt. Crawford amps it up to HURT YOU and not just BEAT YOU.

Special fighter, indeed

Crawford is one of the best closers in the sport. I agree that he's great at closing the show once he's got his man hurt. However, his level of opposition is weak for a Top 3 P4Per. It just is. Like I asked the other guy, list Crawford's best wins. Where are the marquee names and signature wins? And what have those fighters gone on to accomplish since losing to him? Are they even still relevant? These are things that Crawford fans can't seem to answer in this thread. I think we both know why that is. Postol, arguably still his best win, is only semi-relevant at best but since his loss to Crawford he's gone 3-3. In his last fight he got stopped. His actual resume for a top P4Per is weak despite his accomplishments being impressive on the surface. Spence's quality of opposition has been consistently higher for the last several years. I rate Crawford higher than Spence P4P but not by much.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

lomachenko and chocolatito?

 

[bjl12]

Because he makes up the difference with the quality of opposition. His last 4 fights are Garcia, Porter, Danny and Ugas. Thats impressive.

Mikey Garcia, coming directly off a 135lbs win, for a fight at 147 was impressive?

Jesus you have no standards

 

[bjl12]

Crawford is one of the best closers in the sport. I agree that he's great at closing the show once he's got his man hurt. However, his level of opposition is weak for a Top 3 P4Per. It just is. Like I asked the other guy, list Crawford's best wins. Where are the marquee names and signature wins? And what have those fighters gone on to accomplish since losing to him? Are they even still relevant? These are things that Crawford fans can't seem to answer in this thread. I think we both know why that is. Postol, arguably still his best win, is only semi-relevant at best but since his loss to Crawford he's gone 3-3. In his last fight he got stopped. His actual resume for a top P4Per is weak despite his accomplishments being impressive on the surface. Spence's quality of opposition has been consistently higher for the last several years. I rate Crawford higher than Spence P4P but not by much.

So Crawford beig avoided is his own fault???

This is like GGG all over again except fans loved GGG. Could it be racism ? Or was the "good boy" act a fan pleaser?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

So Crawford beig avoided is his own fault???

This is like GGG all over again except fans loved GGG. Could it be racism ? Or was the "good boy" act a fan pleaser?

Crawford's been avoided? Even if you think Spence has avoided him why hasn't he challenged himself more in his career? The guy has had almost 40 pro fights. Usyk's only had half that (19) and look at his resume. Look at Inoue's too while you're at it. No fighter should ever be rewarded for fights they haven't fought. Crawford's resume isn't thought highly of enough for him to be P4P king at this time. That's all. Let's not make it about racism or whatever else you want to pull out of your ass when you can't counter my points.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

...so NONE of you address my point. Why is Spence regarded as PFP when he's accomplished far less than peers???

Its a serious inquiry.

Lol getting dragged as usual I see.
-Are Crawford & Spence close to the same size?
-Are they both bigger than most of their 147 opponents?
-Are they both moving up to 154?

So like everyone else has just told you, STFU about questioning Spence at #4 if you are not going to say shit about Crawford at #2.
If Spence doesn't belong on there Crawford certainly doesn't. Similar sized guys where one has clearly a better resume against larger sized opponents AKA P4P

 

[bjl12]

Crawford's been avoided? Even if you think Spence has avoided him why hasn't he challenged himself more in his career? The guy has had almost 40 pro fights. Usyk's only had half that (19) and look at his resume. Look at Inoue's too while you're at it. No fighter should ever be rewarded for fights they haven't fought. Crawford's resume isn't thought highly of enough for him to be P4P king at this time. That's all. Let's not make it about racism or whatever else you want to pull out of your ass when you can't counter my points.

Crawford fought everyone at 140, the besr at 135, and best available competition at 147. It is literally documented that Crawford attempted to fight and offered contracts to Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman in the past but both of them rejected his offers. They were both offered MORE MONEY per NSAC announced purses but they both had other plans. Spoiler alert, those alternative fights were MEANINGLESS. Crawford can only fight people who are willing.

Having MORE fights against C and B level opponents is NOT a bad thing. Its called staying busy. Law of averages suggests Bud would have a tough night but even when he did he adjusted and dominated. Thats dominance no other fighter has shown - none. Even Usyk has had close fights and I'd argue Porter may be the best win out of the two resumes.

 

[Stormtrooper85]

...so NONE of you address my point. Why is Spence regarded as PFP when he's accomplished far less than peers???

Its a serious inquiry.

You pull this shit all the time. You act like a clown, constantly then demand to be taken seriously.
Ridiculous

 

[bjl12]

Lol getting dragged as usual I see.
-Are Crawford & Spence close to the same size?
-Are they both bigger than most of their 147 opponents?
-Are they both moving up to 154?

Clearly they dont have the EXACT same size as Crawford healthily competed at 135 and 140 for years. Spence is a career WW. Nonetheless theyre both clear WWs at this point.

Crawford going to 154 would be his 4th weight class, Spence his 2nd.

Is that hard to understand ?

So like everyone else has just told you, STFU about questioning Spence at #4 if you are not going to say shit about Crawford at #2.
If Spence doesn't belong on there Crawford certainly doesn't. Similar sized guys where one has clearly a better resume against larger sized opponents AKA P4P

So being undisputed at 140 means nothing since Crawford is now a WW???

Do you walk around with a PBC butt plug up your ass ???

Yeesh

 

[bjl12]

You pull this shit all the time. You act like a clown, constantly then demand to be taken seriously.
Ridiculous

Because I'm trying to have a serious conversation on a boxing forum. Objectively speaking Spence does NOT belong in front of ANYONE whose won legitimate championships across multiple weight clases.

While Spence has looked good in his fights - and clearly vulnerable at times - he's actively avoided the 2 best WWs his entire career in Thurman and Crawford...while CLAMORING to fight OLD AF Manny.

It's disappointing that so many boxing fans blindly accept Spence as a PFP talent when he hasnt proved it yet, still. And he's 32 years old now ? Jermall Charlo all over again

 

[ironfist05]

lomachenko and chocolatito?

I'm kinda down with chocolatito tbh, that fight with JFE was razor tight and I thought he won it. Plus he anhilated Yafai, Israel Gonzalez and Rey Martinez.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I'm kinda down with chocolatito tbh, that fight with JFE was razor tight and I thought he won it. Plus he anhilated Yafai, Israel Gonzalez and Rey Martinez.

i mean, sure, i just think there are better win streaks out there. fury, breidis, stevenson, and others probably deserve it a bit more than chocolatito.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Crawford fought everyone at 140, the besr at 135, and best available competition at 147. It is literally documented that Crawford attempted to fight and offered contracts to Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman in the past but both of them rejected his offers. They were both offered MORE MONEY per NSAC announced purses but they both had other plans. Spoiler alert, those alternative fights were MEANINGLESS. Crawford can only fight people who are willing.

Having MORE fights against C and B level opponents is NOT a bad thing. Its called staying busy. Law of averages suggests Bud would have a tough night but even when he did he adjusted and dominated. Thats dominance no other fighter has shown - none. Even Usyk has had close fights and I'd argue Porter may be the best win out of the two resumes.

A resume full of B and C level opponents isn't a good thing when discussing P4P #1. It might as well be filler opposition. Most people look at A level opponents and dip into B if necessary. There's no point in bothering with C level because they're by definition average or mediocre opposition. You actually think Porter is a better win than say AJ, Briedis, or Gassiev? You won't find many that agree with you on that one especially over the first two I just named. Remember these are The Ring's rankings. They have an entire panel dedicated to debating this topic. By disagreeing with me you're disagreeing with them. That is fine because it's subjective but only to a point and within reason. I keep asking you for a list of Crawford's best wins and you've named Porter. That's it. I mentioned Postol earlier. Who else is on there? What's funny is that for years I actually defended Crawford on here. I was the only reg to bother. I stopped defending him long ago because fans lost interest in him. I know I did (until he fights Spence). Crawford did fight the best at 135 and 140 but, again, when you look at the names it's underwhelming. I rattled off an entire list of them previously and none of them were particularly notable nor are they still relevant today (outside of Porter who just retired).

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Clearly they dont have the EXACT same size as Crawford healthily competed at 135 and 140 for years. Spence is a career WW. Nonetheless theyre both clear WWs at this point.

Crawford going to 154 would be his 4th weight class, Spence his 2nd.

Is that hard to understand ?



So being undisputed at 140 means nothing since Crawford is now a WW???

Do you walk around with a PBC butt plug up your ass ???

Yeesh

Like honestly you make non stop homosexual references out of nowhere whenever anybody talks about boxing.... Grow the fk up pervert. It says more about you than anyone you are trying to insult.
No, Crawford beating up on lesser and smaller names at weight classes nobody cared about is not better than Spence beating bigger names at higher weight classes.
Crawford is not small for 147. Stop the lies.
Look at all the killers less than 147 currently. Crawford missed all those...hmmm