Media Ring Magazine Top Pound for Pound List

[Corrado Soprano]

 

[bjl12]

Someone PLEASE TELL ME why Spence is #4???

Estrada is a 3 division champion, Canelo is a 5 division champion, Lomachenko is a 3 division champion, Chocaltito a 4 division champion. All of these guys have demonstrated PFP superiority over Spence. Talk about FANBOYISM.

Why does winning in multiple weight classes matter? Because it showw versatility and ability to win more ways than one. Spence is either the biggest or among the biggest WW. His greatest strength appears to be cutting weight. He would not have near the success he has had (which is limited by the way) at 154 or 160.

In a P4P sense Spence is not remarkable. He's a career WW who still, after 3 or 4 years, hasnt fought his greatest challenge. That kind of cowardice should NOT be rewarded

 

[randomg1t]

Someone PLEASE TELL ME why Spence is #4???

Estrada is a 3 division champion, Canelo is a 5 division champion, Lomachenko is a 3 division champion, Chocaltito a 4 division champion. All of these guys have demonstrated PFP superiority over Spence. Talk about FANBOYISM.

Why does winning in multiple weight classes matter? Because it showw versatility and ability to win more ways than one. Spence is either the biggest or among the biggest WW. His greatest strength appears to be cutting weight. He would not have near the success he has had (which is limited by the way) at 154 or 160.

In a P4P sense Spence is not remarkable. He's a career WW who still, after 3 or 4 years, hasnt fought his greatest challenge. That kind of cowardice should NOT be rewarded

your shtick is tired and worn out. fuck off.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

Seems alright to me. Kind of surprised a heavyweight hasn’t been p4p in all those years, didn’t realize that was the case.

 

[Lycaon]

A respectable list. And I'm surprised too that Mike Tyson was the last guy. I just made a post about Usyk being number 1 or should be number 1. I am surprised that Hollyfield never managed to crack the top there. Guys who are heavyweights but were not natural heavyweights deserve a lot more consideration for top guy than other heavyweights. That's for sure.

My issue is with Gonzalez. For me, in my pound for pound list, I take into consideration robberies and do not give boxers credit for benefiting from a robbery. Of course, you wonder how someone can determine when it's a robbery. A robbery is when the greater majority of media and fans scored it one way and the judges scored it another way. A perfect example is Canelo vs Golovkin. Nobody scored that fight a draw other than the judges. In that instance you don't give the guy benefiting credit for the win in a true P4P list. So Gonzalez should be higher than Estrada because nobody other than the judges had Estrada winning. Kick Estrada off that list, replace him with Gonzalez and then maybe Estrada is number 10 or someone else with a better claim is number 10.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Seems alright to me. Kind of surprised a heavyweight hasn’t been p4p in all those years, didn’t realize that was the case.

I'm not surprised. Generally heavyweights are on average considerably less skilled than their lighter division counterparts. Usyk is being treated differently here because he started at cruiserweight. I read their discussion about it, their ratings discussion & explanations, and it was mentioned by one of their panelists.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

I'm not surprised. Generally heavyweights are on average considerably less skilled than their lighter division counterparts. Usyk is being treated differently here because he started at cruiserweight. I read their discussion about it, their ratings discussion & explanations, and it was mentioned by one of their panelists.

Yeah, that makes sense. I’m not really a fan of p4p rankings, although I get why they’re popular in boxing. Just surprised Wlad or someone since Tyson (like the other Tyson) wouldn’t land at the top of these lists.

 

[PHATV]

I'm not surprised. Generally heavyweights are on average considerably less skilled than their lighter division counterparts. Usyk is being treated differently here because he started at cruiserweight. I read their discussion about it, their ratings discussion & explanations, and it was mentioned by one of their panelists.

Fair point on skill sets and why HW aren't typically up there. Also fair that Usyk is there, I think. Boxes well. I still think Canelo's fall is a bit extreme here given he went up to LHW and fought the undefeated prime champ, but it is what it is there. And I'm actually not a huge Canelo fan (GGG fan), either. I can see a few spots, but 1 to 6 seems a bit much as we mentioned in the other thread, given the circumstances.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Estrada is a 3 division champion, Canelo is a 5 division champion, Lomachenko is a 3 division champion, Chocaltito a 4 division champion. All of these guys have demonstrated PFP superiority over Spence. Talk about FANBOYISM.

Correction. Estrada is actually only a 2 division champion/titlist and Canelo is a 4 division champion/titlist.

 

[Stormtrooper85]

Someone PLEASE TELL ME why Spence is #4???

Estrada is a 3 division champion, Canelo is a 5 division champion, Lomachenko is a 3 division champion, Chocaltito a 4 division champion. All of these guys have demonstrated PFP superiority over Spence. Talk about FANBOYISM.

Why does winning in multiple weight classes matter? Because it showw versatility and ability to win more ways than one. Spence is either the biggest or among the biggest WW. His greatest strength appears to be cutting weight. He would not have near the success he has had (which is limited by the way) at 154 or 160.

In a P4P sense Spence is not remarkable. He's a career WW who still, after 3 or 4 years, hasnt fought his greatest challenge. That kind of cowardice should NOT be rewarded

I admire your dedication to being so utterly pathetic. It is time for a new gimmick though

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Canelo is #6. This must be the "never that good" rankings. .

 

[Hagler]

Not a bad list indeed. Maybe Lomachenko is a bit high and you could put Fury insead, that being said it is decent when it comes to picking the best 10 boxers on earth.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Canelo is #6. This must be the "never that good" rankings. .

It's harsh. I know. Canelo should probably still be rated in the Top 5 (possibly even still Top 3) but he got dropped 5 spots. I've only dropped him a few on my personal P4P list but they gave their reasoning for it. Here's their discussion among the ratings panelists.
Ring Ratings Update (Dmitry Bivol Knocks Canelo From The P4P Peak, Enters Mythical Rankings)

 

[Noctilux]

Never been a fan of Canelo but his fall on the list is too extreme.

 

[Badr Hari]

Usyk and Canelo have been the brightest stars of this sport in the past four/five years in every possible aspect in and outside the ring too. Hopefully they motivate other talented boxers to follow a similar path. Protected records are worthless.

 

[PHATV]

It's harsh. I know. Canelo should probably still be rated in the Top 5 (possibly even still Top 3) but he got dropped 5 spots. I've only dropped him a few on my personal P4P list but they gave their reasoning for it. Here's their discussion among the ratings panelists.
Ring Ratings Update (Dmitry Bivol Knocks Canelo From The P4P Peak, Enters Mythical Rankings)

Never been a fan of Canelo but his fall on the list is too extreme.

Usyk and Canelo have been the brightest stars of this sport in the past four/five years in every possible aspect in and outside the ring too. Hopefully they motivate other talented boxers to follow a similar path. Protected records are worthless.

Same. #4 sounds good as a floor given the circumstances, actually. But he can correct that himself, so like any P4P not particularly relevant.

 

[BoxingMMA]

Usyk at 1 is good, even if p4p lists are silly, look at the difference in rank from Estrada and Chocolatito, the only thing that separates them was a disputed decision, easily could have gone either way, yet the guy who won and in the minds of many, lost, is 5, the other one is 10, it’s just nonsense. P4P lists are nonsense and should be removed from boxing.

But if you have to, I’m glad Usyk is at 1, Inoue should be second, not third, everything after inoue i honestly don’t care.

 

[OldCasualBoxer]

I still think Canelo's fall is a bit extreme here given he went up to LHW and fought the undefeated prime champ, but it is what it is there. And I'm actually not a huge Canelo fan (GGG fan), either.

Fully agree and i share the same feelings!

 

[Badr Hari]

P4P lists are nonsense and should be removed from boxing.

I agree. p4p is fantasy land section by definition so they are automatically not really part of boxing. No need to remove something that isn't an integral part anyway. No sanctioning body does those type of rankings, as they are useless and would not contribute to matchmaking or anything practically. It's a thing of the media and promoters. A tool to give more audience/publicity to the hard working little guys in the smaller weight classes. The fact that a heavyweight is now #1 is ironic LOL Usyk should vacate his imaginary subjective la la land p4p title and stick to the heavyweight titles he has won in the ring because it's not fair lol

 

[PHATV]

P4P lists are nonsense and should be removed from boxing.

I agree. p4p is fantasy land section by definition so they are automatically not really part of boxing. No need to remove something that isn't an integral part anyway. No sanctioning body does those type of rankings, as they are useless and would not contribute to matchmaking or anything practically. It's a thing of the media and promoters. A tool to give more audience/publicity to the hard working little guys in the smaller weight classes. The fact that a heavyweight is now #1 is ironic LOL Usyk should vacate his imaginary subjective la la land p4p title and stick to the heavyweight titles he has won in the ring because it's not fair lol

I guess it gives us something to debate/argue/bitch about, but I agree.
It's a complete eye test and even the judges and fighters and trainers have styles they prefer and I know damn well we all as fans do, so it's just a discussion point, which is OK I guess.
Different strokes for different folks though and no two lists have to match. Probably rarely do.

At the same time, I've seen some really shitty P4P lists, here in the boxing forum.
Some would even be sans Charlie Z and/or Pulev. Blasphemy.