Elections RFK getting roasted at presentation hearing

[deviake]

They cured lung cancer working their way down the list.

Either way Cubas "thing" is being the best in medicine. And that means drugs and science. Not "be healtier through habits lol".

Yep. Vaccine for lung cancer and their average lifespan is just a tiny bit above the US IIRC, even with all the sanctions and whatnot.

 

[cincymma79]

Yes actually. Some dumb dumb from Virginia made a pretty absurd reach attempting to say he called the WHO a nazi death camp or something like that. That was the only thing that RFK actually protested having not said and it got walked back to be found misleadingly presented.

However there was a ton of absolutely bat shit crazy talk about pesticides making people trans, Lyme disease being an engineered virus, his refusing to say he wouldn’t try to make money off of lawsuits against drug companies that he could influence the legislation on, repeatedly claiming not be anti-vax while selling anti-vax onesies for toddlers on his website, and claiming having no knowledge of that, any of the profits he is continuing to make from his conspiracy peddling and campaign soliciting. None of that shit did he deny and he was granted every opportunity to.

I mean where most of these people go work for big pharma so we have a guy who might sue big pharma. Let’s think about which we’d prefer in that role and when the fu k did you guys start being probigpharma?

 

[HenryFlower]

Solid discussion. Excellent points made by all the posters. The item by item breakdown with concise explanations of why they agree or disagree with the individual take on every specific topic shows they watched and read this as well as fully understand the discussions being had. Truly a sight to behold.

you’ve literally never once made a post that resembles what you are describing here. i’d tell you to be the change you want to see, but i know you’re too chicken shit to actually engage w/ anyone in any sort of meaningful way.

 

[deviake]

Lol, the conservatives in this thread thinking RFK had a point against Sanders don't understand how

I n d i v i d u a l

D o n a t i o n s

work.

Also, even if Bernie was a big pharma guy, which makes absolutely no sense, that doesn't make RFK Jr not insane nor does it mean the Republicans don't take money from big pharma. It's amazing how many people are so confident in their ignorance

 

[HereticBD]

Also, even if Bernie was a big pharma guy, which makes absolutely no sense

Him continuously shoveling coal for the Democrat establishment after they routinely fuck him over time and time again, doesn't make much sense either.

Get off the Bernie train already. He's as spineless as they come. Oh', and he abandoned his whole "No, no, no, those were individual workers!" nonsense, and just conceded with a pathetic justification that it was a tiny sum in comparison to his entire haul. Guy is fucking clown. He could've been the Left's Trump, but instead he kissed the ass of the establishment...after removing their cock from his own ass of course...

What a joke that guy turned out to be.

 

[deviake]

Him continuously shoveling coal for the Democrat establishment after they routinely fuck him over time and time again, doesn't make much sense either.

Get off the Bernie train already. He's as spineless as they come. Oh', and he abandoned his whole "No, no, no, those were individual workers!" nonsense, and just conceded with a pathetic justification that it was a tiny sum in comparison to his entire haul. Guy is fucking clown. He could've been the Left's Trump, but instead he kissed the ass of the establishment...after removing their cock from his own ass of course...

Guy is a joke.

That's fine that you have that opinion, that has nothing to do with my points and you and a bunch of other low info people showed those asses majestically once again

 

[HereticBD]

That's fine that you have that opinion, that has nothing to do with my points and you and a bunch of other low info people showed those asses majestically once again

The only one showing their ass, is the guy still believing in Bernie Sanders. He got molly whopped in that exchange, by a guy who can barely speak. He's just another stooge.

The fact that the Republicans actually chose a guy who is fighting against Big Pharma, and not breathlessly defending them like every Democrat opposing him, speaks volumes as to which party is actually serious about solving the issue.

If the Dems had won, would this conversation even be had? The answer is NO.

 

[deviake]

The only one showing their ass, is the guy still believing in Bernie Sanders. He got molly whopped in that exchange, by a guy who can barely speak. He's just another stooge.

The fact that the Republicans actually chose a guy who is fighting against Big Pharma, and not breathlessly defending them like every Democrat opposing him, speaks volumes as to which party is actually serious about solving the issue.

His daddy Trump takes money from big pharma, he ain't fighting a fucking thing lmao. Trump just undid what little Biden did to lower some prescription drug prices.

 

[Cid]

60 year life expectancy:

70 year life expectancy:

Funny watching a whole bunch of fat slobs blame god damn miracle workers that they're a bunch of fat slobs.

 

[PurpleDrank]

They cured lung cancer working their way down the list.

Either way Cubas "thing" is being the best in medicine. And that means drugs and science. Not "be healtier through habits lol".

After just a bit of digging this doesnt seem to be the case unfortunately. Though that vaccine seems helpful. Also as an aside, the phase trial process isnt a purely a scientific process. The extent to which the profit motive is tied to so called Science cant be overlooked in our system with such shitty outcomes. Whatever isnt patentable or offering a financial return will be ignored in favor of something that does. That isnt "Science", obviously.

 

[RoastBeast]

After just a bit of digging this doesnt seem to be the case unfortunately. Though that vaccine seems helpful. Also as an aside, the phase trial process isnt a purely a scientific process. The extent to which the profit motive is tied to so called Science cant be overlooked in our system with such shitty outcomes. Whatever isnt patentable or offering a financial return will be ignored in favor of something that does. That isnt "Science", obviously.

Yeah there aren't a bunch of truth seeking entities out there that are pouring millions of dollars into scientific studies in order to just merely find the truth. These studies are funded by people who want a certain outcome and the scientists by large are paid to ensure that outcome is favorable for their donors.

It's really the most basic logic that a lot of naive people out there can't wrap their heads around.

 

[PhitePhan]

Yeah there aren't a bunch of truth seeking entities out there that are pouring millions of dollars into scientific studies in order to just merely find the truth. These studies are funded by people who want a certain outcome and the scientists by large are paid to ensure that outcome is favorable for their donors.

It's really the most basic logic that a lot of naive people out there can't wrap their heads around.

Yep, and it doesn’t even have to be a conscious process on the experimenters part.

“Funding bias, also known as sponsorship bias, funding outcome bias, funding publication bias, and funding effect, is a tendency of a scientific study to support the interests of the study's financial sponsor. This phenomenon is recognized sufficiently that researchers undertake studies to examine bias in past published studies. Funding bias has been associated, in particular, with research into chemical toxicity, tobacco, and pharmaceutical drugs.”

And when the experiment doesn’t have the “right” outcome, they just shelve it (publication bias/file drawer effect), tweak the study design and give it another shot…

Selective publication of antidepressant trials and its influence on apparent efficacy: Updated comparisons and meta-analyses of newer versus older trials​

“The data presented here suggest that reporting bias in the published literature on antidepressant drugs is still an important issue. Even within the cohort of newer antidepressants, statistical significance still has an undue influence on whether and how these trials are reported. Consistent with earlier work, we found that positive trials are much more likely to be transparently reported than negative trials, whether one looks within the newer cohort or at both cohorts combined.“

 

[Cajun]

Communists believe in drugs and science. This is why Cubas curing all the cancers. We don't believe in hippy magic. Do you think the Chinese believe in this RFK nonsense? How about the Vietmanese? How about the Soviet Union?

It's not a cure but treatment. Phase III shows median 12.5 months over 9.6 survival rates or so over chemo in NSCL (80% of lung cancers). EGFR inhibitors are common and I don't see that it's effectiveness is better than erlotinib. They have been around for a while. PD-1 inhibitors are the newest stars in the industry. I worked for Merck and it was the newest and only drug we developed that went to market before I left science. Of course other countries do science. No question and some great work being done. But it's not a wonder cure by any means. There are few breakthroughs like the days of gleevac when the targeted therapies took off or even avastin. Immunomodulators are big right now but cure is very different than treatment.

 

[Andy Capp]

you’ve literally never once made a post that resembles what you are describing here. i’d tell you to be the change you want to see, but i know you’re too chicken shit to actually engage w/ anyone in any sort of meaningful way.

Maybe so but he's really proud of being stupid. That must count for something

 

[cincymma79]

It was refreshing to see Elizabeth Warren really going after someone for…. Checking notes…holding big pharma responsible for damages they caused. What a…hero?

 

[ferrisjso]

After just a bit of digging this doesnt seem to be the case unfortunately. Though that vaccine seems helpful. Also as an aside, the phase trial process isnt a purely a scientific process. The extent to which the profit motive is tied to so called Science cant be overlooked in our system with such shitty outcomes. Whatever isnt patentable or offering a financial return will be ignored in favor of something that does. That isnt "Science", obviously.

You are correct that profit dictates what should be done. But the drugs that do get to market are still chemicals that have been designed and tested to do certain things. And while a very limited science that is still science.

 

[Cajun]

You are correct that profit dictates what should be done. But the drugs that do get to market are still chemicals that have been designed and tested to do certain things. And while a very limited science that is still science.

There are many drugs that die during trials which could be effective in a small percentage as well. It's a complicated flawed system. But overall I believe in it at least for cancer therapies.

 

[ShadowRun]

 

[Dalarna3]

Public health obviously needs a shake up and he is a better candidate than most to do it, despite some fringe beliefs.

 

[Lycandroid]

Imagine being dumb enough that you are convinced to be pro obesity and heart disease because the democrats said so

actually that was a poor choice of words. Half of you guys don't need to imagine that at all