Reyes thought he beaten Jones?

Reyes objectively won R1-3 there is absolutely no ambiguity. The CSAC used the fight in 2020 for a judging seminar and all 18 licensed judges in attendance scored the fight for Reyes.

On the scoring training video call, when it was asked whether everyone thought Reyes should have gotten the decision, the response was a unanimous "yes." The judges assigned to that bout -- Chris Lee, Marcos Rosales and Joe Soliz -- were not on the call. But Texas Combative Sports program assistant manager Jim Erickson was.

If you scored the fight for Jones it means you don't understand how fights are supposed to be scored simple as that.

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/29012007/did-miss-how-mma-judges-trying-sharpen-their-skills
 
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Nah reyes won that clearly, Jon Jones would’ve got the nod regardless of if the roles were switched and he did to Reyes what Reyes did to him.

Jon Jones was just a fighter with the skills of this current generation ahead of time fighting against former middleweights and an older generation of talent. Not to mention he had an 84 inch reach tied with Stefan Struve who’s 7ft and most of his notable wins are guys who’re the size of the average middleweight.

People talk about the LHW belt being passed around after Jones vacated it but theres just as much reason to say the top guys at LHW now are more skilled given that guys who Jon Jones struggled with like Thiago Santos and Reyes lost back to back to the Jiri Prochazka’s and Magomed Ankalaev’s of the division.
 
Reyes objectively won R1-3 there is absolutely no ambiguity. The CSAC used the fight in 2020 for a judging seminar and all 18 licensed judges in attendance scored the fight for Reyes.



If you scored the fight for Jones it simply means you don't understand how fights are supposed to be scored simple as that.

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/29012007/did-miss-how-mma-judges-trying-sharpen-their-skills

Can you explain the difference between the CSAC criteria in 2020 and the criteria used in Texas that night?
 
Another one of those "big underdog manages to last 5 rounds" fights where Sherdog loses their minds. Happened with Volk/Islam as well.
 
It's the Santos fight most people need to watch. If Jones had that much difficulty against someone like Santos, what's gonna happen when he's up against a guy who's naturally bigger than him and moves as slick as Gane.

I don't think Jones will be fast enough to easily get the takedown or strong enough to keep him down even if he does. Francis imo is a naturally strong beast of a man which is why he could take Gane down. Jones usually relied on being the bigger dude and moved really good. He's not gonna have those advantages here. He's not nearly as strong as Francis imo. I don't think the weight gain is gonna translate the way some think. Also, he's been out of commission for a while.

I think Gane will not only win but will hurt him like we never seen Jones hurt before. Mark my words.
 
Can you explain the difference between the CSAC criteria in 2020 and the criteria used in Texas that night?

There was a TX athletic commission official on the call and they were one of the 18 officials that unanimously scored the fight against Jones.

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/29012007/did-miss-how-mma-judges-trying-sharpen-their-skills

The judges assigned to that bout -- Chris Lee, Marcos Rosales and Joe Soliz -- were not on the call. But Texas Combative Sports program assistant manager Jim Erickson was.

Jones objectively lost R1-R3 but was scored the winner because of incompetent judges, who did not adhere to the scoring criteria, there is no ambiguity about it.
 
Another one of those "big underdog manages to last 5 rounds" fights where Sherdog loses their minds. Happened with Volk/Islam as well.

Totally different situation. Volkanovski clearly and convincingly lost at least three rounds of his fight against Islam and because of this some of his fans take issue with the scoring criteria.

Jones clearly and convincingly lost R1-R3 and would have lost the fight had the judges adhered to the scoring criteria.
 
I'll take that as a no to my question.

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Deal with it

There is no scoring criteria under which Jones did not clearly and convincingly lose the first three rounds. Thats why its so egregious for fans, years later, that the fight was scored against Reyes by all three judges.

Are you alluding to the discredited argument that Jones won because of ring generalship when he was the one backing up for the first three rounds?
 
I thought me hitting you and you not hitting me and me making you miss and even throwing more than you means that I won a fight. (Masvidal)

It applies for Reyes vs Jones for the first 3 rounds, where there was only striking involved.
Reyes won!

"In both significant strikes (116-104) and total strikes (119-107), Reyes had the statistical advantage. He landed more significant strikes than Jones in each of the first three rounds: 23-17, 33-22, 26-19."
 
The fight was years ago, but after rewatching the whole fight again, nah I don't think Reyes beat Jones at all.

Reyes did good, frustrated Jones a lot but Reyes was fighting backward throughout the whole 5 rounds and he only won round 1 at best.
Round 2 and 3 were basically draw rounds at best.
The new round 4 and 5 were all Jones round, especially round 5 Jones was stalking Reyes and hunt him down while Reyes was fighting to survive.

Seriously people think a guy that trying to survive win a fight?

I gave the nod to Reyes. He was the aggressor. I thought he brought the fight to Jon in a way he hadn’t seen before. Now, I’m not sure if that moral victory went to his head, or that War took a lot out of him but he’s looked like a fighter past his prime since.
 
Jones was gifted that one (along with the Santos fight)

I distinctly remember how they flip flopped on judging criteria to justify giving Jones the win. They talked about “octagon control” which is only relevant when the strikes are equal, which they weren’t. Jon got outstruck in 3 rounds to 2 and admittedly finished strong, but it’s a race under the unified ruleset and Jon lost the race. Definitely the worst decision in the history of the sport.
 
Rewatched the fight few days ago so this is how I had it. R1,4,5 are the easiest to score, 2 and 3 are fiercely debatable.


R1 - Reyes easily. Arguably the easiest round to score. 10-9 Reyes.

R2 - IMO, this is the closest round of the fight and where the fight was won/lost. Upon my first watch, I thought Reyes had it easily but upon the rewatch, it was quite surprising to see how much of his strikes barely landed. In particular, the first 2 mins where he had those flurry of strikes which Jon ran away from, actually missed and Jon displayed some fabulous head movement to defend those. Still, both landed some decent strikes but I think Jon landed slightly more effective shots than Reyes did. Overall, I scored this round for Bones but only by an asshair. 10-9 Jones. Having said that, this round is so damn close I wouldn't fault anyone for scoring it for Reyes.


R3 - Like R2, pretty close as well with both guys having their moments but Reyes wins this round thanks to the gorgeous uppercut he lands on Jones near the end of the round. He gets gassed towards the end but still landed some sweet body shots. 10-9 Reyes.


R4 - This round actually starts quite evenly but as it progresses, Reyes is clearly gassed and Jones really starts to impose his will on the game. Although Jon didn't land anything noteworthy, he got the takedown and continued to press the action. For what its worth, though neither guy really damaged the other, Jon did more so 10-9 Jones.



R5 - All Jones. Reyes is clearly tired at this point and Jones lands a few clean shots but nothing to damaging. Still 10-9 Jones.



Overall, Jones - 2,4,5. The second round is where it gets controversial but overall I think the other 4 rounds are pretty easy to score. Upon a rewatch, I am quite impressed at how good Jones' defense is although again that alone doesn't win you points. Still a great fight and a shame the discourse around this match is so toxic.
 
I remember this fight like it was yesterday it seemed everyone was calling Reyes short and would do Jack shit to jones. It became the closest Jon Jones fight ever and now he’s just coming back 3 years later while Reyes is in the dumpster and will never see title opportunities again
 
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