Throwback Rewatched Khamzat vs Usman

kingmob6 said:
So I would say the W for Khamzat was justified.
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That was a lot of text to say what we all agree with, Chimaev won that fight, would had been different if it was 5 rounds? Probably, Usman did very good once the fight progressed.
 
El Fernas said:
That was a lot of text to say what we all agree with, Chimaev won that fight, would had been different if it was 5 rounds? Probably, Usman did very good once the fight progressed.
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it's all conjecture. I just feel like most of the opinion that Usman would have won a 5 rounder was based of the opinion that Khamzat was gassed in rounds 2,3, which in my eyes wasn't true. I don't really know what would have happened have it gone the distance, but Its quite likely it woudn't be an Usman domination, since he wasn't really winning with cardio to begin with.
 
DOMMA said:
I think the judges got this one right. What is alarming for Khamzat fans is that Usman is a career Welterweight and clearly past his prime and won the 3rd (final round) on 2 of the 3 judges scorecards.
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This is a very bad look. Imagine if Dricus got this guy into deep water. He's in trouble for sure.
 
MarleyLynx said:
Dricus is Khamzats worst matchup in the division. Usman was a terrible matchup for him as well.
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Yeah if khamzat could have gotten his shit together and got to the MW title when Izzy or sean had it, he'd have been golden.
 
kingmob6 said:
it's all conjecture. I just feel like most of the opinion that Usman would have won a 5 rounder was based of the opinion that Khamzat was gassed in rounds 2,3, which in my eyes wasn't true. I don't really know what would have happened have it gone the distance, but Its quite likely it woudn't be an Usman domination, since he wasn't really winning with cardio to begin with.
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Work this through logically:

- Khamzat had enough energy to secure a take down and grapple the entire first round

- Khamzat shoots and gets stuffed in rounds 2 & 3

- Khamzat is now taking fire, and landing virtually nothing

..... Do you think he was "low output" for back to back rounds that he surely knew were razor thin and a toss up, because he just liked to leave it up to the judges? Do you think he's a moron with no fight IQ? He fought at the pace he was capable of.


If you trained for a headline fight at middleweight and you are fighting a welterweight on a weeks notice coming off the couch, you should have superior cardio. He didn't, and this is despite an unprepared opponent who isn't the same size.

Khamzat is most dangerous in round 1. This fight makes it painfully obvious.
 
Khamzat didnt look comfortable in the slow paced moments during the fight. Despite that, he beat Usman decisively 2-1 or 3-0 imo. But as a fan of his, that has me worried for him against Rob.

Historically, dominant champions embrace and gameplan for midfight adjustments throughout the full 5 rounds. Does Khamzat have the ability to control himself carry out a proper defensive minded gameplan for the full 5? Im starting to think that he does not. He doesnt have any champions in his team to guide him either.

I see him as a Conor type of 'lightning in a bottle' champion for now, not the Jones/Khabib/GSP type of dominant champion that he was built up to be.
 
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HolmeZy55 said:
Rob will survive, people forget he has great TDD and is a respected BJJ black belt.

Khamzat's best chance would be hurting him standing, if he goes straight to wrestlefucking him then he will lose imo as Rob will weather the storm and put it on him late.
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I think it depends on how much Tob has left in the tank. The Rob who stopped Jacare 7 years ago probably would. But that was 7 years ago and overall his career trajectory is going the opposite direction.
 
HavokHarmon said:
I think it depends on how much Tob has left in the tank. The Rob who stopped Jacare 7 years ago probably would. But that was 7 years ago and overall his career trajectory is going the opposite direction.
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Huh? Aside from his loss to the champ, Rob has looked better than ever recently.
 
rjmbrd said:
Work this through logically:

- Khamzat had enough energy to secure a take down and grapple the entire first round

- Khamzat shoots and gets stuffed in rounds 2 & 3

- Khamzat is now taking fire, and landing virtually nothing

..... Do you think he was "low output" for back to back rounds that he surely knew were razor thin and a toss up, because he just liked to leave it up to the judges? Do you think he's a moron with no fight IQ? He fought at the pace he was capable of.


If you trained for a headline fight at middleweight and you are fighting a welterweight on a weeks notice coming off the couch, you should have superior cardio. He didn't, and this is despite an unprepared opponent who isn't the same size.

Khamzat is most dangerous in round 1. This fight makes it painfully obvious.
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- Khamzat had enough energy to secure a take down and grapple the entire first round - Check
- Khamzat shoots and gets stuffed in rounds 2 & 3 - Failure. He shot and got takedowns in both rounds, and actually controlled Usman on the ground in round 3 for probably 2 minutes.
- Khamzat is now taking fire, and landing virtually nothing - This is a half truth. Usman wasn't doing that much of anything either, and Khamzat ,it seems was deliberate in just looking for takedowns, probably was his "gameplan". Their counting stats were pretty close.
-Do you think he was "low output" for back to back rounds that he surely knew were razor thin and a toss up, because he just liked to leave it up to the judges? Do you think he's a moron with no fight IQ? He fought at the pace he was capable of. - I think I covered my thoughts on this already, he made adjustments, his pace was fine, he was looking for ground heavy attack, and seemed to conserve energy in between attempts. He dominated Usman in the 1st, so logically, his gameplan to take Usman down and win the fight on the ground makes sense from his perspective.
-If you trained for a headline fight at middleweight and you are fighting a welterweight on a weeks notice coming off the couch, you should have superior cardio. He didn't, and this is despite an unprepared opponent who isn't the same size. - Khamzat was a welterweight just like Usman just a fight before that, so that's really not a valid excuse. The camp excuse I can roll with, although Usman was waiting for a fight announcement and was close to taking another fight earlier, so he was in shape. And again, Khamzat's cardio was not really a concern in this fight, as much as everyone likes to make it, it just isn't a true statement.
 
I remember when your first 5 round fight was your first title fight as well. It was fine back then. If fighter is going to have 3 rounds he should prepare for 3 rounds.
 
What makes the 1st round a 10-8? I want to hear you greasy casual's rationalization behind this fucked logic.
 
people act like khamzat beat prime usman at WW, not old man marty debuting at MW

it's very weird
imagine if he was fighting dricus or sean instead
 
blaseblase said:
So he just randomly stops being as good of a fighter in round 2? It's happened twice now. If you don't want to call it gassing then call it something else, but don't try to pretend it doesn't happen.
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You're basing this only off two fights, one when he fought a barnburner with a ton of action where he stopped using wrestling due to Burns' elite BJJ after Burns almost got his arm, and another where he busted his hand at the end of the first round

The other fights he looked dominant in round two, albeit against cans.
 
mister piscadinha said:
people act like khamzat beat prime usman at WW, not old man marty debuting at MW

it's very weird
imagine if he was fighting dricus or sean instead
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You act like "old man marty" isn't a threat. Usman came in jacked for this fight. He looked bigger than Khamzat. He had the ability to win, khamzat is just better.

You are very weird. Stop hating on Khamzat.
 
RockyLockridge said:
This is a very bad look. Imagine if Dricus got this guy into deep water. He's in trouble for sure.
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Imagine if Khamzat mauls and finishes Dricus in the first round. He has the ability and stylistic advantage to do it. Dricus is in trouble no doubt.
 
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