Rewatched Jones vs DC

I don't think Cormier will solve the reach issue, he needs to close the distance and he will keep taking a lot of hits in his way in.

Cormier should try to impose his superior wrestling early on instead of land desperation take downs to prove a point in round five.
He should try to steal some rounds with take downs early on, even if he ends up gassing in the fifth round, if he makes Jones believe he's losing coming into the 4th round, he may open up new possibilities.

To me Cormier was a bit too heart broken about his loss the first time around. I think he was delusional about how his own skills stacked up against Jones, if he had came in to fight Jones with an 'underdog who's got nothing to lose' mentality, maybe it would have been better than coming in thinking he's better than Jones.

I'm not saying he shouldn't believe he can win and be confident about his skills, he needs to discern what he has to do vs what he can do. And he can beat Jones, I have no doubts about that and neither should he.

Also, we don't know how Jones will look like. It's been a bit of a long layoff for him.
 
Soul On Ice said:
But he gassed because of what Jones did to him (body kicks and pressure).

Both the 3rd and 5th could have been his (DC's) if he pushed enough? Based on what? Maybe he pushes too much, leaves an opening and the fresher fighter (Jones) finishes him? Look at Weidman X Rockhold, The Chris was pushing hard in the 3rd round and what happened to him? The fresher fighter (Rockhold) capitalized on Weidman's lazy strike.
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The difference between the two in rounds 3 and 5 was not great. I cite that Gustaffson fights as an example. Cormier didn't stay busy enough in those rounds to win them. On the other hand, he did so against Gustaffson which won him the fight.

Apart from round 4, that fight was close throughout. If Cormier pushes further, and by that I mean stays busy enough to win the round, he can beat Jon Jones.

Also, people seem to forget Cormier's wrestling. All it takes is one successful takedown and it may be over for Jones. We still haven't seen him on his back and if anyone can take him down, it's Cormier.
 
own1997 said:
The difference between the two in rounds 3 and 5 was not great. I cite that Gustaffson fights as an example. Cormier didn't stay busy enough in those rounds to win them. On the other hand, he did so against Gustaffson which won him the fight.

Apart from round 4, that fight was close throughout. If Cormier pushes further, and by that I mean stays busy enough to win the round, he can beat Jon Jones.

Also, people seem to forget Cormier's wrestling. All it takes is one successful takedown and it may be over for Jones. We still haven't seen him on his back and if anyone can take him down, it's Cormier.
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But you don't know if getting busier would be the answer because you don't know how Jones would react to DC getting busier...
It might win DC the round but it might also spur Jones on to turn it up himself.


We saw DC take Jones down...Jones popped back up immediately.
 
TheScorpionDude said:
Jones didn't do shit in the first fight.

Are you all high.

He won on points... BARELY

Fightmetric.com for the naysayers.
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Total Strikes

JJ:126
DC:78

Sig. Strikes

JJ: 92
DC: 58

TDs

JJ: 3
DC: 1

Head/Body/Leg total Strikes
JJ: 43/34/15
DC: 40/11/7

-Shows DC outlanded in nearly every round
-Shows JJ being more accurate
-Shows JJ being the more diverse striker with a large volume of body shots in addition to the head strikes

http://fightmetric.com/fight-details/57385188587c83b9

None of that speaks to a barely edged win.
 
Bones wins a decision imo. That being said, this isn't going to be a walk in the park.
 
Jones IMO just won't let DC beat him. He is just too good, and too mentally strong. As weak as Jones has been outside the cage, he has been the most mentally tough fighter maybe ever inside of it. He breaks everyone he fights. Nobody has ever come close to breaking him..
 
Yea for a rematch it just feels like things are drastically different this time around.

Jones is sober and actually training. Cormier is coming in with the confidence of being champion. Cormier has spent a year getting hit by the divisions top 2 strikers. Jones has a ton of ring rust.

Really looking forward to this one.
 
Soul On Ice said:
But you don't know if getting busier would be the answer because you don't know how Jones would react to DC getting busier...
It might win DC the round but it might also spur Jones on to turn it up himself.


We saw DC take Jones down...Jones popped back up immediately.
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Well a desperate Jones would play right into Cormier's hands. The more Jones pushed forward, the more susceptible he is to getting taken down.

And that was in the fifth after Cormier gassed. Every fight is different and with the right tactic, Cormier can cause Jones all kinds of trouble.
 
Jon Jones is making a critical error in changing is body for the upcoming fights. Look what happened to conor.
 
own1997 said:
Well a desperate Jones would play right into Cormier's hands. The more Jones pushed forward, the more susceptible he is to getting taken down.

And that was in the fifth after Cormier gassed. Every fight is different and with the right tactic, Cormier can cause Jones all kinds of trouble.
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But the same thing could happen to Cormier, him getting "busier" would play right into Jon's hands and leave DC susceptible for takedowns among other things...This is why "if's" should be left out of the conversation.
 
Punicher said:
Jon Jones is making a critical error in changing is body for the upcoming fights. Look what happened to conor.
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Connor fought 30 pounds heavier than his prior weight class. Jones will fight at the exact same weight as he always had. Your comparison is silly.
 
own1997 said:
Utter nonsense. Cormier is the supeior wrestler but wasn't in their first encounter. Jones isn't a TKO fighter and he isn't better than Cormier everywhere.

Another example of someone writing off a fight then being shocked at the result and calling the defeated fighter overrated.
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Just an example of a guy that doesn't have his head in the sand and believes what he sees, not a guy's biography. Previous accomplishments mean nothing in the ring. Jones has been a better MMA wrestler than Cormier since day one.

marcinko said:
yeah, we all know what a ko artist Jones is........
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Missed the T? Reading is fundamental.
 
Soul On Ice said:
But the same thing could happen to Cormier, him getting "busier" would play right into Jon's hands and leave DC susceptible for takedowns among other things...This is why "if's" should be left out of the conversation.
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Of course, but I'm just highlighting a path to victory for Cormier. Acting like it's going to be easy for Jones is naive and Cormier has the ability to make it difficult for Jones.
 
MadmanMMA said:
It'll be interesting to see if DC's mental game will be the deciding factor this time, now that he has lost to Jones already. During their first fight before gassing (due to bodyshots like DC himself mentioned) he did look sharp.
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What about jones mental game. Hes been out for a long time, and hes been dealing with the law often....be interesting to see how he handles himself.
 
It was a clear UD for Jones but it wasn't a complete ass whooping either. This fight is interesting because it could go a bunch of different ways. DC is older now but has had more time to hone his skills and has persevered through two big challenges in Gustafsson and Johnson. Jones has had a long layoff but is now (supposedly) focused again and sober. I have a feeling it's gonna be a war but I think Jones will pull it off again.
 
Dart Feld said:
Total Strikes

JJ:126
DC:78

Sig. Strikes

JJ: 92
DC: 58

TDs

JJ: 3
DC: 1

Head/Body/Leg total Strikes
JJ: 43/34/15
DC: 40/11/7

-Shows DC outlanded in nearly every round
-Shows JJ being more accurate
-Shows JJ being the more diverse striker with a large volume of body shots in addition to the head strikes

http://fightmetric.com/fight-details/57385188587c83b9

None of that speaks to a barely edged win.
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This tells me that you are aware of the round by round number of strikes to the head. Now you know ;)

You don't have to post back anything. I'm not in a contest with you.

You also don't need my approval to be a Jones fan.

Jones also doesn't need my approval for anything sooo .... cheers mate :)
 
I hope you don't like DC too much because he's only got one fight left before he retires.

Jones I see being around for a while though.
 
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