Rewatched islam charles

hswrestler said:
What did islam do on the ground in Rd 1? Didn't land any substantial gnp compared to oliveiras upwards elbows and upkick and didn't really advance position at all. After the triangles, he got stuck in guard.
In Rd 2 islam couldn't take charles down initially. He had to drop him with a well timed shot before getting the submission
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Islam won exactly as he said he would. It wasn't competitive. But I guess Charles deserves a 2nd title shot before Poirier or Gaethje get their 3rd.

I think I would rather see a Volk rematch out of the 3.
 
hswrestler said:
Hmm fair islam landed 4/5 sig strikes while Oliveira landed 2/5 on the ground. Thought both of them landed more when I watched it.
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The first time they went to the ground, Charles definitely didn’t make it easy. The second time, Charles didn’t really throw strikes from his back or throw up submissions. That time lasted more than the first time.

I would say that a good indication of how Charles felt about the ground, was that he defended the takedowns in the second round, as opposed to inviting it as he did in the first round. Not saying he was afraid to go to the ground, but the second half of the first round was not ideal for him. Just my opinion. Some of these things are subjective.
 
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Area809 said:
The first time they went to the ground, Charles definitely didn’t make it east. The second time, Charles didn’t really throw strikes from his back or throw up submissions. That time lasted more than the first time.

I would say that a good indication of how Charles felt about the ground, was that he defended the takedowns in the second round, as opposed to inviting it as he did in the first round. Not saying he was afraid to go to the ground, but the second half of the first round was not ideal for him. Just my opinion. Some of these things are subjective.
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Yea, I think even if Charles can survive being on the ground, he will lose rounds being on the ground so he will need to avoid that. He was able to defend the takedown in rd2 and volk did give him a gameplan to avoid the ground but we'll see if Charles can implement it. Personally I'm not sure.
 
hswrestler said:
Yea, I think even if Charles can survive being on the ground, he will lose rounds being on the ground so he will need to avoid that. He was able to defend the takedown in rd2 and volk did give him a gameplan to avoid the ground but we'll see if Charles can implement it. Personally I'm not sure.
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Ultimately, I feel like Islam’s southpaw stance gives Alex a lot of problems on the feet. Alex seems to get hurt on the feet every other fight. Islam may be the only person who can capitalize on that on the ground. If I were to predict now, I’d say the fight ends in similar fashion. I’d be ok with a Charles finish and a nice trilogy.
 
Area809 said:
Ultimately, I feel like Islam’s southpaw stance gives Alex a lot of problems on the feet. Alex seems to get hurt on the feet every other fight. Islam may be the only person who can capitalize on that on the ground. If I were to predict now, I’d say the fight ends in similar fashion. I’d be ok with a Charles finish and a nice trilogy.
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Alex? I'm assuming you mean charles
 
hswrestler said:
Imo the fight was extremely close on the ground but islam had a clear edge in the striking.
Islam was able to get the takedowns but did little damage and charles was able to threaten submissions to get up basically at will.
Islam's finish was due to him rocking Oliveira which lead to the submission.

In his fight against dariush, Oliveira was still making the same striking mistakes against he did against Islam. Oliveira led with a knee which lead to a quick islam counter and he led with an obvious high kick against Dariush multiple times but Dariush was too slow to counter. He did look a bit faster compared to his fight against islam but at almost 34 I doubt he'd have a speed advantage against islam as islam had a clear speed advantage last fight.

That being said if islam is unable to hit Oliveira with something significant, he will be in for a long night as he'd find Oliveira hard to keep down and dangerous as ever on his feet.

Overall I'd favor islam as Oliveira would need a bang headshot dead moment but if anyone could get those moments it would be Oliveira.
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Rewatch the Olivera/Dariush fight, it was very clear he adjusted on the defensive mistakes vs Islam. His head movement and avoiding strikes was on point.
 
That's the problem with Mak... he'z way too inactive once he gets it on the ground vs. teh elite.

I get it that he has to hold them down... but "holding an opponent down" scorez zero.

He'z going to have to up his game now that he'z Champ.
 
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My god the amount of mental gymnastics in this thread trying to explain away any successes Islam had made in the first fight is downright sad. Guy straight up dropped Charles AND choked him out. But apparently he was only fighting not to lose… simple folk so easily swayed and biased by a hardship story.

Could be different this time around of course but my god people give your heads a shake. There was nothing close about the first fight.
 
usernamee said:
The biggest take away for me from that fight was that Oliveira just didn't look confident what so ever at any point during that fight
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He didn’t and I think that’s because he had an opponent that made him very uncomfortable. He couldn’t fight this fight the way he normally does. He likes to pressure and brawl then uses his grappling to get him out of trouble. Islam doesn’t engage in a brawl like Poirier or Gaethje and isn’t deterred by Oliveira’s ground game. This forces him to either fight in a way he isn’t used to or get punished, both of which are uncomfortable and sap confidence.
 
usernamee said:
The biggest take away for me from that fight was that Oliveira just didn't look confident what so ever at any point during that fight
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I think he did in round 2. I think it when he defended the TD and landed some knees in the clinch, then Charles started moving forward with the pressure throwing heavier strikes. There wasn't much that landed, but Charles was opening and looking confident.
 
JKS said:
I think he did in round 2. I think it when he defended the TD and landed some knees in the clinch, then Charles started moving forward with the pressure throwing heavier strikes. There wasn't much that landed, but Charles was opening and looking confident.
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I'll take your word for it, my memory has faulted me before when it comes to this
 
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My problem with Charles on this fight is actually in the striking department. Charles didn't looked any threatening to Islam on the feet in their last fight, I don't think it's going to change now.
 
I would say Islam fanatics saying it was easy and all, it's good for Charles. If Islam and his team are also thinking like that, much better. Let them think like that. :)
 
Sincere Guy said:
I would say Islam fanatics saying it was easy and all, it's good for Charles. If Islam and his team are also thinking like that, much better. Let them think like that. :)
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You think Charles is beating him? Volk thinks Charles will get dominated just like in the first fight and that guy is the king of predictions. He predicted Charles to beat Beneil on his YouTube page.
 
garbohydrates said:
You think Charles is beating him? Volk thinks Charles will get dominated just like in the first fight and that guy is the king of predictions. He predicted Charles to beat Beneil on his YouTube page.
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I'm not saying anything, I just think people are caring too much about what Islam fanatics say. I don't feel disrespected with them saying it was easy because it was far away from being easy. To me it's just very, very good they thinking like that. Very good for Charles. So, let them think, no problem at all. Let them fool themselves, I won't stop for sure.
 
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