"Revolution possible when whites become minority"

[SouthoftheAndes]

I think America will become similar to Brazil demographically which isn;'t horrible.

A lot of tan bootylish girls down there.

 

[Rod1]

Cut the crap, the amount of slaves headed east to muslims was far greater then headed west. Scale of it would dictate it would have a worse effect then the other one, you can argue all you want but the greatest slave owner was Islam. Lets not even get into the treatment they got by Muslims were ten fold worse then in the west. Also eventually the west set the slaves free, Mulsims just Exterminated theirs.

Im also for giving credit where credit is due, Euro slave is quite ignorant. Id wager 90% of it was the French Spanish and Portugese doing. Quite far from a European wide phenomenon really.

Muzzies focused on the horn of africa, westerners focused on the rest.

Geography my friend.

 

[Falsedawn]

True but you would have to be a simpleton to believe that the reasons African's didn't have chattel slavery was because they were just nicer than Europeans or felt some sort of bond with their African "brothers"

Considering that they lived in tribal societies and slaves were quite often enslaved as a function of supporting those tribal societies (to the point that they were given land, rights to marry, and the protection of the law in many cases) i'd say the reason they didn't have Chattel Slavery was pretty apparent. African Slavery had no presupposition of racism, and this lack of an inherent reason for ownership ("they are lesser beings than us") causes it to resemble a form of indentured servitude instead of slavery proper. Labor itself was seen as the product of these enslavement relationships, and there was no reason to mistreat your slave and harm the labor that they could produce for your tribe.

 

[Amerikuracana]

LOL, what a retarded thing to say, the only ones that care about race are Blacks and Americans, and not all blacks mostly those whose culture was erased via civilization.

The reason, is that these ethnic, religious and cultural identities are ancient, therefore they will drown the relatively new concept of race.

Its even more ridiculous when you talk about Syrian refugees, Syrians for the most part are white. The issue is not their race, the issue is their culture and religion imposing on the meek.

Oh ok.. The Muslim Arabs moving to Europe consider themselves white, and not a separate race.

I personally get along fine with Arabs, because I'm not a weak dumb-shit like most of the other European guys they deal with here in America. I'm physically strong, and I relate well with them. But yeah, pretty sure they consider themselves a group, and white Europeans another group. *rolleyes*

 

[Islam Imamate]

Good post, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on the racist views Islamic Arabs held specifically towards African blacks.

Oh I'm not denying Arab racism towards blacks. I don't think it was necessarily worse than European racism of the early modern period, though I'm open to persuasion on that point. But early modern Europeans were racist and at least Europeans banned slavery first and way before Arab Muslims did.

Nowadays there is no comparison, Arab Muslims are way more racist. And not just to blacks but to others like South Asians and Southeast Asians as well. The Gulf states run a top the backs of an underclass composed entirely of foreigners from Africa, South Asia, and SEA and they're treated like dog shit. I've also read about how some of these Gulf countries take advantage of North Korean workers whose salaries go to their governments making them essentially modern slaves, all while infusing cash into the reserves of the most dangerous rogue country on earth.

I just don't think the disparity we see now was there back then nor do I think racism was the driving force behind Arab slavery like I don't think it was for European slavery.

 

[Rod1]

Oh ok.. The Muslim Arabs moving to Europe consider themselves white, and not a separate race.

I personally get along fine with Arabs, because I'm not a weak dumb-shit like most of the other European guys they deal with here in America. I'm physically strong, and I relate well with them. But yeah, pretty sure they consider themselves a group, and white Europeans another group. *rolleyes*

The muslim arabs moving to europe consider themselves as muslim arabs, they dont give a flying fuck about race and a supposed race brotherhood that is non-existant.

Again, this white brotherhood non-sense is just a modern fantasy of white americans.

Im pretty sure the Germans didnt considered the slavs and the jews as their brethen, neither did the Anglosaxons did to the Irish.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Cut the crap, the amount of slaves headed east to muslims was far greater then headed west. Scale of it would dictate it would have a worse effect then the other one, you can argue all you want but the greatest slave owner was Islam. Lets not even get into the treatment they got by Muslims were ten fold worse then in the west. Also eventually the west set the slaves free, Mulsims just Exterminated theirs.

The treatment was different. Like I mentioned earlier Black Eunuchs could become among the most powerful people in the Ottoman Empire but they were castrated before getting sold. Is becoming rich and powerful worth getting your nuts cut off? I'm glad I'll never find out.

IMO chattel slavery is the worst form of slavery but at the same time I believe that because it was the worst and relegated blacks to a permanent underclass it allowed the abolition movement to emerge and ultimately end slavery as a legal institution.

Im also for giving credit where credit is due, Euro slave is quite ignorant. Id wager 90% of it was the French Spanish and Portugese doing. Quite far from a European wide phenomenon really.

It wasn't an Islam wide phenomenon either, Central Asian nomads had nothing to do with it for the most part.

The Portuguese were obviously one of the main culprits, just look at Brazil and its obvious. I think they had something like 10x the slaves in Brazil as they did in the US. Clearly they fucked them a bunch too.

 

[RespectableDenizen]

Considering that they lived in tribal societies and slaves were quite often enslaved as a function of supporting those tribal societies (to the point that they were given land, rights to marry, and the protection of the law in many cases) i'd say the reason they didn't have Chattel Slavery was pretty apparent. African Slavery had no presupposition of racism, and this lack of an inherent reason for ownership ("they are lesser beings than us") causes it to resemble a form of indentured servitude instead of slavery proper. Labor itself was seen as the product of these enslavement relationships, and there was no reason to mistreat your slave and harm the labor that they could produce for your tribe.

They didn't practice because the idea and incentives were not there. As soon as Europeans and Arabs turned it into an industry, African's adopted chattel slavery. Weapons, precious metals, alcohol, were all exchanged for humans. They probably did not have ideas of racism that we know of today (In Central Africa, though, the Native Pygmies have been hated in a way that is similar to European racism by the Black people there) but they did have tribes and the "us vs them" idea that all people possess.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Oh I'm not denying Arab racism towards blacks. I don't think it was necessarily worse than European racism of the early modern period, though I'm open to persuasion on that point. But early modern Europeans were racist and at least Europeans banned slavery first and way before Arab Muslims did.

Nowadays there is no comparison, Arab Muslims are way more racist. And not just to blacks but to others like South Asians and Southeast Asians as well. The Gulf states run a top the backs of an underclass composed entirely of foreigners from Africa, South Asia, and SEA and they're treated like dog shit. I've also read about how some of these Gulf countries take advantage of North Korean workers whose salaries go to their governments making them essentially modern slaves, all while infusing cash into the reserves of the most dangerous rogue country on earth.

I just don't think the disparity we see now was there back then nor do I think racism was the driving force behind Arab slavery like I don't think it was for European slavery.

Definitely points I won't argue, at least not too fervently. I'm also open to the possibility that my opinion of historical Arabic racism is biased by my own race, as well as the country I live in and it's own rather complicated and, to an extent, unique history of racial and cultural interactions. Arabs and Indians here are, for instance, among the most racist racial groups, culturally followed by Afrikaaners and Zulus. That, for sure, gives me certain biases, and at times defensive overreactions when the topic of white/European racism comes up.
That's all neither here nor there, I suppose, but it's something to take into account when I get into these discussions.

 

[Kframe]

And why do both parents have to work?

Because those at the top have conspired to crush the middle class and make a single-income household unrealistic for all but the well off.

That's the way it is, cant change it. No amount of stealing from the rich, or "redistribution" as you commies call it, will change it. The cost of things is going up, that's what happens when it costs to much to build things here.. No leftist big government program will ever be able to change the fact that it costs to much to build anything here.

Sure, a family could live on one income, but then they are stuck living in the leftist shit hole that is Urban living. There is a reason why Leftists hate suburbia. I have been to the down town and urban living areas in serveral cities, all were shit holes, why would anyone want to live there. The only realistic way out, is for both parents to work, that way they can afford a home in a nice, less crappy area of the county.

LOL at the notion of taxing the rich.. Silly socialst, the rich don't pay income taxes..

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

"Here in Ethiopia, we all know the country has a history of failing.. Failing itself, and failing its people. We are looking forward to the time when Asian and European immigrants and investors grow in such numbers that the Ethiopians are a minority, and a revolution of first world policies can truly have an impact. Then we will get somewhere. Until then, the failure and tradition of Ethiopians thinking they have a birthright to be in charge of Ethiopia will continue on as it always has.. So we suffer through this Ethiopian president, and the next, and wait for 2043 when needed change can finally happen."

Racist?
White man says this, what is white female news anchors reaction?

Ethiopia I think was coming along very well until WW2. They have shown they were capable of doing it.

 

[Byron Carter]

I think America will become similar to Brazil demographically which isn;'t horrible.

A lot of tan bootylish girls down there.

A lot of HIV, rampant crime, dirt poor living conditions...

Keep your big booty's, we will keep our intellect, exceptionalism, and prosperity.

We will still visit South America though for the cheap thrills.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

True but initially slavery on the African continent was much rarer before the Europeans arrived. Slavery was used as a punishment for individuals who committed heinous crimes like muder or for PoWs. The huge increase in demand for slaves the Europeans caused lead the Africans to make slavery the punishment for increasingly lesser crimes and to incentivize tribes to go to war specifically for capturing slaves or to go on slaving raids.

Edit: Rarer isn't the best word. Its more that the scale increased exponentially rather than the practice spreading since it was commonplace in Africa before Europeans arrived.

I thought it was Arabs and Persians that really got this ball rolling even if it predates them as well.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I thought it was Arabs and Persians that really got this ball rolling even if it predates them as well.

They mostly operated on the Horn of Africa and their slave trade didn't reach the peak of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. The European slave trade was mostly conducted through West Africa but affected Central Africa and the West African tribes performed slaving raids there to meet European demand.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

They mostly operated on the Horn of Africa and their slave trade didn't reach the peak of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. The European slave trade was mostly conducted through West Africa but affected Central Africa and the West African tribes performed slaving raids there to meet European demand.

Wasn't this going on long before that? It might have reached a peak much later but from my memory it seems the longest history of slavery goes by to North Africa and the Middle East.

They have had times where they were equal opportunity slavers depopulating the Italian coast as well as taking African slaves.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Wasn't this going on long before that? It might have reached a peak much later but from my memory it seems the longest history of slavery goes by to North Africa and the Middle East.

They have had times where they were equal opportunity slavers depopulating the Italian coast as well as taking African slaves.

Yes the Islamic slave trade was around longer but like I said it never reached the peak of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and thus didn't have as much of an effect.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Yes the Islamic slave trade was around longer but like I said it never reached the peak of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and thus didn't have as much of an effect.

Depopulating regions would seem to be quite an effect to me.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Depopulating regions would seem to be quite an effect to me.

Yes but the Trans-Atlantic slave trade did that too on a larger scale. It also introduced modern weaponry to the continent and vastly altered the power balances of the time.

And the end of slavery gave way to the scramble for Africa. There's no question which civilization made a deeper mark.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

To be honest I don't find white nationalism, black nationalism, arab nationalism, "Oriental" Nationalism (east Asian whatever is PC) to be bad. As long as the movements are just about preserving the homogeneity of their ancestral homeland and or a right and existence for their people. I think all people have a desire for self preservation. White Nationalism only bothers me when you got Nordcist supremacists and Neo-Nazis within that movement. I am also bothered by the Anti-Semitic attitudes that some self proclaimed "White Nationalist" Trump fans have.


I don't like White Nationalism in America it does not make sense to me. I can completely understand Austrians, Russians, and people from say Slovakia or Hungary wanting their nations to remain 99% white and majority "Germanic, Slavic" or whatever dominant sub-races and ethnic groups dominate their nation and add to its culture. I find the desire to maintain homogeneity to be a natural response and it is practiced EVERYWHERE on the African continent, and on the entirety of the Asian continent and in many Latin American countries (to an extent).

However, the United States to me is meant to be multicultural and as such I don't see why we should be opposed to immigrants. I feel the immigrants America takes in just need assimilate and be of the right backgrounds that easily and culturally mesh with us.

But as I said in the "Trump needs to denounce his radical fans" thread. I am most bothered by Anti-Semitic elements among-st some White Nationalists. However, with that said there are "White Nationalists' elements present in many of the right wing and even moderate right leaning parties in Europe that DO NOT have Anti-semitic elements or radical platforms and seek to protect Jews. I find those parties to be potential allies for the USA and for all people who oppose "the Regressive left" and the encroaching of Islam in the west.

For example it shocked me to read that many French Jews are now voting for that Nationalist party in France. But I suppose it made sense given that the party is not Anti-Semitic like Golden Dawn from Greece nor do they have Neo Nazi sentiments.

I guess my point is that I feel the radical elements within these groups need to be denounced. But outright supporting a right to your own peoples existence and thus self preservation is not something I find to be "racist".



Woah what is wrong with 50 Shades of Grey? That movie was awesome and so is the books (never read the books) but what is wrong with it?

Maybe it is because I am a freak and love dominating women but I find the normalization of women 'submitting' to men to be good for me. Now because of that movie and because a 'handsome billionaire' convinced the girl to do whatever he wanted you got millions of young women (and bored older single women) who just want to be taken or are willing to experiment with it.

50 Shades of Grey is one of the better things that feminism brought us.

I completely agree with everything you wrote. I guess I never thought to look at 50 Shades of Grey in a positive light, but I do notice a lot more women embracing their sexually submissive side.

 

[Space]

No that's not it.

What happened is that during WWII, women entered the workforce in great numbers to offset the men fighting overseas. When the war was over, the women wanted to remain in the workforce.

Unless WWII was a plan to destroy a middle class that didn't even exist yet...you're wrong.

It's like all of you guys failed history class.

"During the Second World War, women proved that they could do "men's" work, and do it well. With men away to serve in the military and demands for war material increasing, manufacturing jobs opened up to women and upped their earning power. Yet women's employment was only encouraged as long as the war was on. Once the war was over, federal and civilian policies replaced women workers with men.'