International Republicans, do you want illegals processed into the country or to keep them out?

[Mr Holmes]

Uh oh, Mrs. Holmes is upset. What happened to the "last word" dumbass?



I don't think you actually understand what political persecution means:

Venezuelan Forces Killed More Than 10,000 Citizens in Last Decade, Report Says

According to Venezuelan human rights nongovernmental organization (NGO) Provea, Venezuelan security forces killed 10,085 people in the last 10 years.

dialogo-americas.com

However, even if you wanted to specifically focus on gangs targeting certain members of the population, you're still an idiot:

"because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion."

I wonder if fleeing a country due to being hunted for being a member of a particular social group falls under any of these categories.



I think you're legitimately too stupid to understand anything you post.

The existence of gangs means everyone in the entire country is now being persecuted? I'm pretty sure every country has least 1 group of organized crime. I guess the whole world is opened up now. No more borders anywhere.

You're embarrassing yourself even more than you did in your fail thread about the stocks going up.

 

[b-hop]

On paper it would look like that is possible, that is the curious part to see if it is actually implemented..

Or most likely like everything else, it will begin full swing and last a week or two until it ends up in the courts in litigation for the next 4-6 years..
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i don’t think it tops 150,000 in under 4 years.

Yes but this time needs to be the court if that arrives to stop the process of deportation not the way around, because all branchs are in the control of Trump. So until they decided it's illegal or not, the mass deportation already happened.

 

[Lycandroid]

half of the deports will end up in Canada unless Trudeau is out

 

[kahiljabroni]

No it isn't. One of my students is an asylum case. His Father (who just died 3 weeks ago) was a Federale in Mexico. Everyone from his entire unit was killed by Cartels except him. My student was granted Asylum because the US was aware of the very loud threats to these guys' Families.

But if you met my student you wouldn't assume any of this. Youd just lump him in with the faceless numbers because it's easier to dehumanize and call it all a scam than it is to actually understand what's going on.

Kashim Ouma (former Boxibg Champion) was forced to be a child Soldier in Uganda because the "recruiters" cut off a few of his little Sister's fingers until he agreed to do it. He only could defect because of his Boxing. He was granted Asylum. I had another student here from Uganda whose Father is a prominent businessman and is often targeted for threats from similar groups. Yeah in 2020 he was given a "GTFO" letter due to Trump's expedited asylum processing which bypassed the Judge trial. Kid had a job, never ran afoul of the law, and used to walk to the gym when he had to.

A handful of valid claims doesn't mean that the vast majority aren't saying exactly what they've been told to say to enter this country. It's a loophole for 95% of those coming in

 

[syct23]

Yes but this time needs to be the court if that arrives to stop the process of deportation not the way around, because all branchs are in the control of Trump. So until they decided it's illegal or not, the mass deportation already happened.

Like I said, on paper that looks to be the plan..

It looks like trump will have control of the branches, but he does not have control of every attorney, judge or justice.. there will be those out there that will do everything to prolong procedures..

Personally I think that there should be something done, especially with the criminal element, that is just common sense.

 

[Sweater of AV]

The existence of gangs means everyone in the entire country is now being persecuted? I'm pretty sure every country has least 1 group of organized crime. I guess the whole world is opened up now. No more borders anywhere.

You're embarrassing yourself even more than you did in your fail thread about the stocks going up.

No, that's not what it means. I understand you're not bright enough to know the difference.

What say we go back to the beginning and go through your tirade of idiocy?:

I mean, there absolutely are a historically large amount of legitimate asylum seekers particularly from Haiti and Venezuela, and other areas of Central America like El Salvador. And of course places like Ukraine, Palestine, Afghanistan, etc

Lots of real war and real unrest going on right now.

Are people becoming more aware of the process and seeking to exploit it? Absolutely, but that's why we needed the bill to expand and fund more immigration courts. We need to issue way more work visas and improve the process for removal/renewal.

Wrong

Mrs. Holmes is telling everyone that there's no war or unrest going on right now and none of that falls under the definition of being an asylum seeker:

"because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion."

"The last word"

 

[Hog-train]

No, that's not what it means. We can go back to the beginning and go through your tirade of idiocy:





Mrs. Holmes is telling everyone that there's no war or unrest going on right now and none of that falls under the definition of being an asylum seeker:

"because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion."

Dude - can you stop putting giant pages long meme pics multiple times in a row.

 

[Mr Holmes]

What say we go back

Quick change course. Tell us again how the existence of gangs force people to flee their country and cross many others to get here, where the same gangs exist. Retard.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Quick change course. Tell us again how the existence of gangs force people to flee their country and cross many others to get here, where the same gangs exist. Retard.

That's quite a story. Let me know how that turns out for you.

Lots of real war and real unrest going on right now.

Wrong

"The Act amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 by defining a refugee as any person who is outside his or her country of residence or nationality, or without nationality, and is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion."



"Retard"
"The last word"

 

[Mr Holmes]

That's quite a story. Let me know how that turns out for you.






"Retard"
"The last word"

The is part I said was wrong: "historically large amount of legitimate asylum seekers particularly from Haiti and Venezuela, and other areas of Central America like El Salvador."

Given the context of the thread, anyone with an IQ above 50 could have figured that out.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Harris had NO plan. The criminals and Gangs would stay and become voters. Harris NEVER addressed the 500k criminals and 14k murderers. Liberals don't want any deportation. Liberals got us in this mess. Countries literally dumped their trash on us and Libs let it happen. That is why Trump got elected....LOL at that if you want.

How would the criminals stay and become voters? Serious question.

Figure 7a - Green Card Backlog PA - Infogram

infogram.com

As this study shows, wait times to apply for a green card in some cases reach 15-20 years. But green card doesn't = citizenship. You need to be a green card holder for 7 years and be in good standing in order to apply for citizenship. Only THEN are you able to vote. It's an extremely long and often arduous process. AND, it's not even an option if you're a criminal.

So how are criminals magically bypassing all of this, magically becoming citizens, and voting?

Also, real interesting that "liberals don't want deportation" when the chart below is true:

But of course, none of this matters. You kinda have to dig a bit to get this information and who has time to do that? Much easier to just listen to just listen to what every single Republican says and take them at their word. Vibes and feels.

 

[spamking]

I think most people want immigrants, but they want legal immigrants.

Screen them, make it easier, let more in. But tighten up border security.

This is common sense. With no screening, you get the good and the bad. With screening, ideally, it will be mostly good.

Yep. I don't understand why anyone would want anything other than this right here.

 

[Sweater of AV]

The is part I said was wrong: "historically large amount of legitimate asylum seekers particularly from Haiti and Venezuela, and other areas of Central America like El Salvador."

Given the context of the thread, anyone with an IQ above 50 could have figured that out.

Uh oh, Mrs. Holmes is backtracking now.

So, Venezuela? Political persecution.

Venezuelan Forces Killed More Than 10,000 Citizens in Last Decade, Report Says

According to Venezuelan human rights nongovernmental organization (NGO) Provea, Venezuelan security forces killed 10,085 people in the last 10 years.

dialogo-americas.com

Haiti?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/haiti-soaring-number-displaced-desperately-need-protection-and-aid-priority

“Violence, particularly in the capital Port-au-Prince, has reached alarming levels, with armed groups controlling large areas and complicating humanitarian access. Clashes between gangs and the Haitian National Police have created a pervasive environment of fear, restricting freedom of movement and access to basic services. In the first quarter of 2024 alone, 2,500, including at least 82 children, have reportedly been killed or injured in gang-related violence. Reportedly, more than half a million children in Haiti are living in neighbourhoods controlled by armed groups, which puts them at higher risk of violence, and child recruitment.


Hmm...what's next on your list of stupidity?

"IQ above 50"

 

[Fluffernutter]

the visa embassies dont even need to be enlarged, they've been throttled ever since covid and havent returned to those levels. Many legal immigrants take OVER 10 YEARS to process...................................... yet illegals come over on a whim...

Consular sections indeed need to be enlarged. Get more FSOs in there.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

If you had only these two options. The border bill that was put up awhile back would put more money into border agents to better "process" the illegals into the country. The republicans voted no on it.

the other option is to keep the illegals out. No getting processed into the country. They can wait at the mexico side of the border wall. They are not allowed it at all.

which of these two options do you want? Another poster on here is claiming that more money for hiring more border patrol, not to stop illegals from coming in, but more of them to "process" more illegals into the country. Which I dont believe is what Republicans want.

With due respect, you must be extremely new to politics if you don't know which of those two options Republicans want.

And the numbers for everybody wanting deportation of illegals are suprising.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Uh oh, Mrs. Holmes is backtracking now.

So, Venezuela? Political persecution.

Venezuelan Forces Killed More Than 10,000 Citizens in Last Decade, Report Says

According to Venezuelan human rights nongovernmental organization (NGO) Provea, Venezuelan security forces killed 10,085 people in the last 10 years.

dialogo-americas.com

Haiti?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/haiti-soaring-number-displaced-desperately-need-protection-and-aid-priority

“Violence, particularly in the capital Port-au-Prince, has reached alarming levels, with armed groups controlling large areas and complicating humanitarian access. Clashes between gangs and the Haitian National Police have created a pervasive environment of fear, restricting freedom of movement and access to basic services. In the first quarter of 2024 alone, 2,500, including at least 82 children, have reportedly been killed or injured in gang-related violence. Reportedly, more than half a million children in Haiti are living in neighbourhoods controlled by armed groups, which puts them at higher risk of violence, and child recruitment.


Hmm...what's next on your list of stupidity?

"IQ above 50"

Quick back to your retarded "but gangs" argument. I guess people living in Chicago can go claim asylum in any other country. Muh gang violence.

Venezuela is so bad no one can possibly live ther... Oh wait! Whats this?

https://www.mystateline.com/news/national/the-american-dream-doesnt-exist-anymore-chicago-migrants-returning-to-venezuela-ahead-of-winter/

Some Venezuelan migrants who traveled north to Chicago say they’re returning home due to the lack of infrastructure, jobs, cold weather, and resentful locals.

 

[Natural Order]

Must pass an IQ test score of 101 or higher
No criminal record
Must be able to finance themselves

Tax money is ONLY for American citizens

Buddy boy, if 101 IQ is the qualifier, you and about 275 million of your retarded countrymen would be looking for a place to live.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Quick back to your retarded "but gangs" argument. I guess people living in Chicago can go claim asylum in any other country. Muh gang violence.

Venezuela is so bad no one can possibly live ther... Oh wait! Whats this?

https://www.mystateline.com/news/national/the-american-dream-doesnt-exist-anymore-chicago-migrants-returning-to-venezuela-ahead-of-winter/

Yes, no doubt gangs in Chicago create a city-wide humanitarian crisis that restricts access to basic needs for half a million children.

Of course, you also decided to post an article of some migrants returning home because they don't have enough money to survive the winter and can't get any processing done.



Don't worry though, my girl Mrs. Holmes would like to announce that there are no legitimate asylum seekers from anywhere in the world:

Pretty much none of these people coming qualify for asylum.

"IQ above 50"
"The last word"
"Retard"

 

[Romulas]

If you had only these two options. The border bill that was put up awhile back would put more money into border agents to better "process" the illegals into the country. The republicans voted no on it.

the other option is to keep the illegals out. No getting processed into the country. They can wait at the mexico side of the border wall. They are not allowed it at all.

which of these two options do you want? Another poster on here is claiming that more money for hiring more border patrol, not to stop illegals from coming in, but more of them to "process" more illegals into the country. Which I dont believe is what Republicans want.

I want everyone that's illegally here and has no criminal background, doesn't commit any crimes and is excited to work and get their slice of the pie to stay and live to good life that we all get to enjoy. We also need to make legally immigrating here easier and secure the borders to keep out fentanyl, terrorists and undesirables.

 

[SRN]

I sort of follow your logic but it contradicts itself. You say people deserve a second chance and you are all for that but before that you say if someone has a criminal record they should not be able to stay. I'm sure we don't need to cover the most extreme crimes like murder and r*pe because in that most would agree. I just don't understand the line in the sand you have because not all countries are under the same circumstances and just because someone commits a crime does not necessarily mean they should be forced to leave the country.

It is also very odd that I see solutions on what to do about individual people but no solutions about how to fix the main issue which are the businesses that hire and profit off of them. If you are going to solve immigration wouldn't the first step be to go after the businesses that are skirting immigration, employment and probably tax laws? I think they tried that during the Bush 2 Administration and Repubs went hard on it for awhile then the pressure on businesses just went away altogether.

Side note, I do not think immigration is as big of an issue as Repubs make it out to be because they do it every election cycle and no party fixes it. Instead of immigration I think harder focus should be put on job outsourcing and the ability to do it so easily for corps in America.

You mentioned you think criminals deserve a chance, and I said I think only those that paid their debt to society deserve a second chance. I was being a bit pedantic, I know, but there's a difference.

I’m all for second chances, but those chances should come after taking responsibility.

The whole idea of a “second chance” depends on the person first taking responsibility and facing the consequences of their actions. You can’t just skip the accountability part and go straight to giving someone a clean slate. In this case, simply offering legal status isn’t a “second chance”, it’s rewarding people for breaking the law. And if you do that, it’s only going to encourage more people to do the same creating a massive snowball effect that’ll be impossible to stop later.

I’m glad we’re on the same page about criminal records being taken into account. On the specifics, though, I was speaking in general terms but there’s already a list of crimes and convictions that make immigrants inadmissible. I’d be completely fine with that.

As for businesses hiring illegal immigrants... yeah, we agree so I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up again lol I just disagree about it being the first step, though. The first step should be enforcing the laws already in place.