Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

[dr.Mitch]

Isn't gaining massive amounts of unnatural size bad for the heart?

yes. but steroides are not used only for mass.

 

[ineverpost]

His "fans" need to realize that athletes don't give a fuck about them. I work for a living, but I don't have "fans". I work to support myself and be able to buy a whole bunch of cool shit. Phil Baroni just told Ariel he never did roids even though he's tested positive in the past for multiple roids. When they say they don't do roids, it is just standard protocol. Everyone is on roids. Beating tests is just as much a part of professional sports as the actual contest.

 

[Steve-French]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

100%... To act like the majority of top athletes in any given sport isn't on something is naive.

 

[Chris John]

Facts are facts. I'm not here to make things comfortable for you. Also, your bias is showing.

What bias?

 

[The_Renaissance]

Good insight and I agree. Some fans are thinking its almost as basic as that these tests suggest Jones took 1 bloody oral pill after weighing in. Use some logic here. If there was no trace of this thing in his system, it would never have been flagged. Therefore, there is a trace that Jones has used this substance within a certain frame of time.

Logic dictates that his masking agent failed him. It's the most logical outcome here, unless you genuinely believe DC or some FOX gopher is dropping a single turabinal tablet into his water while he's taking a shit. In which case, no masking agent is gonna save you from your own berserk mind.

 

[AgentOrange24]

Read this entire thread.

This Coolidge guy seems like a tool.

Go away.

 

[qw3rty]

Good read man!
Appreciate it

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

'The murder analogy demonstrates why your argument is moronic.

That seemed like a poor analogy in that athletes are people self-selecting for a specific purpose. That's quite dissimilar to the entire population of people.

 

[Coolidge]

That seemed like a poor analogy in that athletes are people self-selecting for a specific purpose. That's quite dissimilar to the entire population of people.

Yes, competing in a sport, not using drugs. The military is a self-selecting group. The military introduces you to violence and potentially mind altering events. The military has a higher rate of domestic violence than the civilian population. Nevertheless, the fact that someone's in the military is not 'evidence' that they committed an act of domestic violence.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Yes, competing in a sport, not using drugs. The military is a self-selecting group. The military introduces you to violence and potentially mind altering events. The military has a higher rate of domestic violence than the civilian population. Nevertheless, the fact that someone's in the military is not 'evidence' that they committed an act of domestic violence.

Didn't say it was. I said your murder analogy was poor. One can use a poor analogy and still be correct.

 

[Coolidge]

Didn't say it was. I said your murder analogy was poor. One can use a poor analogy and still be correct.

I saw you say that and I narrowed the scope down to the military.

 

[Hardkore]

100%... To act like the majority of top athletes in any given sport isn't on something is naive.

But @Coolidge wants USADA to investigate an entire gym lol
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/should-usada-launch-a-special-investigation-into-jacksons.3603987/

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I saw you say that and I narrowed the scope down to the military.

My mistake. Thought you were...never mind.

Yeah, that's much better. If I were gonna nit-pick I'd point out that beating one's significant other isn't shown to make someone a better soldier. The element of incentive for results is lacking. For the record, I agree that we don't have evidence of everyone cheating. Nor can we conclude it via deduction. But if I were to win a prize from God for guessing the correct number I'd pick something in the range of vast majority. You?

 

[Coolidge]

My mistake. Thought you were...never mind.

Yeah, that's much better. If I were gonna nit-pick I'd point out that beating one's significant other isn't shown to make someone a better soldier. The element of incentive for results is lacking. For the record, I agree that we don't have evidence of everyone cheating. Nor can we conclude it via deduction. But if I were to win a prize from God for guessing the correct number I'd pick something in the range of vast majority. You?

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I think it's slightly under half, but that's just something I'm pulling out of thin air. I have no idea.

 

[Tuf_guy]

No but my gf wrecked my ford fiesta in to another ford fiesta on the parking lot recently and fled the scene. Does that count?

Did she remember to remove the drugs and money from the car?

 

[Reddd]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

Good write up and all, but you're wrong that everyone is dirty. There are people that are clean.

 

[Reddd]

Funny how many people defend the shit out of him when hes consistently fucking up.

The people he gets to rub shoulders with because of his brothers alone should open the flood gates of the best PEDs in the world

It's a mental illness honestly.

I like certain fighters. Everyone does.

When you get to a point that you're worshipping some guy like that and refuse to ever acknowledge any wrong doings especially cheating with PED's with as dumb as Jones has been with his incidents. There is just something mentally wrong. You aren't a real Alpha male that's for sure. You can't have much going on with your life when you worship other grown men like that. It's an illness for sure.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

...

I think it's slightly under half, but that's just something I'm pulling out of thin air. I have no idea.

Lol.

I'm a bit more cynical. But we'll never know unless somehow testing catches up to the science of cheating.

 

[cpirish]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

Respect OP. Good thread.

 

[freelanzr]

Damn.... Why the hell would someone take a drug that stays in your system for 250 days on fight night when they knew they would be drug tested by USADA???